How many Islamic groups are there?

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Montalban said:
That’s what I thought!

Although the wording of the Shahadah might not be there, the idea that there’s only one god and Muhammed is his prophet certainly is there.

The Salat is in the Koran

And Zakah is there too, I thought

There seems to be ten Practices of the Religion in Shia Islam
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Actually seven, usually walayah (obedience to the imam, a lot like Latin theology on the pope, btw) and tahrah, ritual purity being the usualy add ons. Some add jihad, which sunnis often add too.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
There’s plenty of writing by fellow muslims that they are kuffar “infidels.” The Saudi wahhabi’s are very much againsts them, as are many modernists, etc. At times, like the Jesuits, they have been suressed.
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Salafism or Wahhabism believes most of the rest of Islam is apostate! 🙂
 
Has anyone actually given the number of Islamic denominations there are?
 
dolphinlove said:
Has anyone actually given the number of Islamic denominations there are?
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Somone may have on another thread. I’m still trying to find it - it’s a good counter to Moslems who talk about their own faith as if its united - compared to their impression of Christianity
 
1 Major branches
  • 1.1 Sunni
  • 1.2 Shi`a
  • 1.3 Kharijite
  • 1.4 Sufi

2 Sunnism​

  • 2.1 Schools of Fiqh
    o 2.1.1 Hanafi
  • 2.1.1.1 Deobandi
  • 2.1.1.2 Barelwi
    o 2.1.2 Hanbali
    o 2.1.3 Maliki
    o 2.1.4 Shafi’i
  • 2.2 Schools of Kalam
    o 2.2.1 Ash’ari
    o 2.2.2 Maturidi
    o 2.2.3 Murjite
    o 2.2.4 Mu’tazili

3 Shi`ism​

  • 3.1 Twelvers
    o 3.1.1 Usooli
    o 3.1.2 Akhbari
    o 3.1.3 Shaykhi
    o 3.1.4 Alawi
    o 3.1.5 Alevi
  • 3.2 Ismailiyah
    o 3.2.1 Nizari
    o 3.2.2 Druze
    o 3.2.3 Bohras
  • 3.2.3.1 Dawoodi Bohras
  • 3.2.3.2 Sulamaini Bohras
  • 3.2.3.3 Alavi Bohras
  • 3.3 Zaiddiyah

4 Kharijite Sects​

  • 4.1 Ibadi
  • 4.2 Sufri

5 Sufi Orders​

  • 5.1 Bektashi
  • 5.2 Chishti
  • 5.3 Naqshbandi
  • 5.4 Oveyssi
  • 5.5 Qadiri
  • 5.6 Suhrawardiyya

6 Movements within sects​

  • 6.1 Salafism
  • 6.2 Wahhabism
  • 6.3 Liberal
  • 6.4 Islamism
  • 6.5 Tablighi Jama’at

7 Other sects​

  • 7.1 Zikri
  • 7.2 Ahmadiyya
  • 7.3 Nation of Islam
  • 7.4 Moorish Science
  • 7.5 Submitters
  • 7.6 Qur’an Alone

8 Related faiths​

  • 8.1 Yazidi
  • 8.2 Bábism
  • 8.3 Bahá’í Faith
  • 8.4 Sikhism
  • 8.5 Five Percenters
  • 8.6 Nuwaubu
 
Montalban said:
1 Major branches
  • 1.1 Sunni
  • 1.2 Shi`a
  • 1.3 Kharijite
  • 1.4 Sufi

2 Sunnism​

  • 2.1 Schools of Fiqh
    o 2.1.1 Hanafi
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Interesting Info,
Thanks.

I see that Ahmadiyya is listed under Other, kinda like Mormonism would probably be under “Other Sects” in Christianity.
 
Montalban said:
Somone may have on another thread. I’m still trying to find it - it’s a good counter to Moslems who talk about their own faith as if its united - compared to their impression of Christianity
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Not really, because barely any of the ‘groups’ listed could be called sects. For instance I’d hoped that we’d already established in this thread that Sufis orders, Salafis and the different schools of Fiqh are not sects. Count them as such, and you’ll have to count Jesuits, Alexians, Pallottines, Salvatorians and Dominicans and other such groups as different sects of Catholicism!

So despite there being some divisions, theologically Islam is still very united as compared to other major religions, Christianity especially.
 
Kadaveri said:
Not really, because barely any of the ‘groups’ listed could be called sects. For instance I’d hoped that we’d already established in this thread that Sufis orders, Salafis and the different schools of Fiqh are not sects. Count them as such, and you’ll have to count Jesuits, Alexians, Pallottines, Salvatorians and Dominicans and other such groups as different sects of Catholicism!

So despite there being some divisions, theologically Islam is still very united as compared to other major religions, Christianity especially.
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For a while that’s the way Jesuits were seen, and their order suppressed.

Sufism is like Opus Dei, a sect within.
 
Montalban said:
What about Ahmadis?
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they claim to be Muslims… they dont have a Holy Book (they follow Koran). And they claim their founder to be a Prophet. While Mohammed claimed to be the Seal of the Prophets.

They are different from the Baha’is, as Baha’u’llah is the Manifestation of God. He can bring The Messege (a Prophet doesnt bring Messege from God, He only Prophesises). Mohammed was a messenger and also a Prophet.

Though it is obligatory for every Messenger of God/Manifestation of God/Face of God to be a Prophet… a Prophet does not neccessarily also have to be a Manifestation of God.

However, if the Prophetic cycle ceases, it doesnt mean the Manifestations will cease too. This can be explained by the simple example of the Doctor and the Pharmacist. The Doctor can do the job of a Pharmacist…but the Pharmacist cannot do the Job of a full Doctor.

This is a lengthy discussion, explained in simple words by me above.

I have no right to label Ahmadis with anything. According to the Principles of the Baha’i faith, everyone has the right to practice their own beliefs. Anything that is from God, prospers. Which is not from God, will be lost in darkness.

I have said these things, only to clear the position of the Baha’is. Otherwise, I have no intention to comment on the position of the Ahmedis.

In one thread I have discussed Christianity and Baha’i Faith.

Have a nice day!
 
Montalban said:
  • 8.2 Bábism
  • 8.3 Bahá’í Faith
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Its as related to Islam as Christianity is to Judaism.

In many ways, I can also show that Babi Faith (The Return), which is now known as the Baha’i Faith (After the Advent of the Glory of The Father) is related to Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism (Krishna Believers in the Hindu Culture), Zoroastrianism, Judaism. These can be brought to light with detailed discussions putting light to every minute details.

My point is… dont just relate this Ray from the Sun of Truth only with Islam. As the Rays are all from the same Sun. They are obviously related. But also distinct and unique.

Hopefully this will clear it!

Sayonara (Japanese take care 🙂 😛 )
 
kashef_0909 said:
they claim to be Muslims… they dont have a Holy Book (they follow Koran). And they claim their founder to be a Prophet. While Mohammed claimed to be the Seal of the Prophets.
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Yeah, they do to your religion what your religion does to ours - pretends that there’s a need for another prophet
 
Montalban said:
Yeah, they do to your religion what your religion does to ours - pretends that there’s a need for another prophet
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My friend… you comment was very unclear!

Who does what to our Religion? Our religion started at 1844. Its quite new (as every religion, at its dawn time).

We Baha’is believe in progressive revelations. After the expiration of a full thousand years of the declaration of Baha’u’llah, there will be a New Dawn, a new Religion. This cycle keeps going on.

Ahmadis have nothing to do with Baha’is… you can say what you said to a Muslim about the Baha’is 🙂 … not a Baha’i (because then its irrelevant to us…yet).

Every religion, however, goes through this period. As every Dawn must go through a Dusk, to give way to another Dawn…and so on.
 
Plus…I felt like adding… Religion is not yours or mine. This is the concept that creats greed and anger. This is the idea that breeds insecurity!

Religion belongs to God…we are just followers! Why do we become to worried for it? We are only to follow the latest laws according to the needs of our times! And these laws, given by God, from time to time.

Why do we have to become to protective of something that dont belong to us!

For example…the light of the sun that falls on your roof, stays there for sometime! But does that light become Your Light? No… that light belongs to the Sun always! Why fight over it? Why try to hold on to it, or protect it!

Religion is strong enough for its own self… and its nature is universal. You can love it, you can practice it, you can devote yourself to it… but its beyond you or me… its God’s.

So… 🙂 … let us know this fact! And this fact will give way to alot of understanding and play a huge role in world unity!
 
kashef_0909 said:
My friend… you comment was very unclear!

Who does what to our Religion? Our religion started at 1844. Its quite new (as every religion, at its dawn time).

We Baha’is believe in progressive revelations. After the expiration of a full thousand years of the declaration of Baha’u’llah, there will be a New Dawn, a new Religion. This cycle keeps going on.

Ahmadis have nothing to do with Baha’is… you can say what you said to a Muslim about the Baha’is 🙂 … not a Baha’i (because then its irrelevant to us…yet).

Every religion, however, goes through this period. As every Dawn must go through a Dusk, to give way to another Dawn…and so on.
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When’s the next revelation?
 
The next one comes after the expiration of a thousand years to the Baha’i Dispensation.

Dear friend, will you live that long? Neither will i.

Best is to have an open heart and investigate the religion at hand. Its just been 165 years now… so study and see if we are on the right track. Make an independent investigation.

However, as this is out of the topic here, I prefer not to discuss it further here. Better, you take a look at the Baha’i discussion which took place in this forum earlier. You can make a search for it.

Thanks,

Kashef.
 
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