How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have actually read what is written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church?

[Jimmy_B]

How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have actually read what is written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church? If you have, are there things in there that you disagree with or do not understand? If so, post it here. How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have read what CAF Apologist’s here have written?

 

[HannahLisa]

I have started reading the Catechism and then stopped because I am going to college and I simply don’t have the time. I may continue reading it this summer. I don’t remember where I stopped, but I didn’t get into the Sacraments (except for what I read out of order). I have read many of the articles at the website you gave, especially ones on things I had questions about.

 

[SyCarl]

I have a copy of the Catechism and have read large portions of it, not cover to cover though.

 

[Curious]

I’ve read about half of it, I think. I plan on plowing through the rest of it sometime.

 

[RevDrNorth]

I read it (actually study it). I take notes and look up the scripture passages that are referenced. It is a wonderful and greatly enjoyable book (I actually look forward to studying it).

 

[Mirdath]

I’ve read large chunks of the Catechism (it’s a reference book, not a novel), disagree with quite a bit (starting with the existence of God and the authority of the Church), don’t have any particular problems understanding anything in it, and have read at least some of the things Catholic Answers has been responsible for, including quite a bit of This Rock in the mid-late '90s.

What exactly are you trying to do here?

 

[panoikei]

How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have actually read what is written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church? If you have, are there things in there that you disagree with or do not understand? If so, post it here. How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have read what CAF Apologist’s here have written?

Don’t read it…it’s what converted my wife. THANK GOD she loves to read and questions everything.

Also, stay away from Karl Keating’s book “Fundamentalism and Catholicism”…it’s pretty much guaranteed to convert you or at least make you hesitate over listening to anti-Catholic rhetoric.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Don’t read it…it’s what converted my wife. THANK GOD she loves to read and questions everything.

Also, stay away from Karl Keating’s book “Fundamentalism and Catholicism”…it’s pretty much guaranteed to convert you or at least make you hesitate over listening to anti-Catholic rhetoric.

Is that good or bad?

 

[Syele]

I have read the CCC.

I have not read all of what the CAF Apologists have written. I have read some of it, especially when someone points me to an article in a thread on that topic.

 

[believers]

How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have actually read what is written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church? If you have, are there things in there that you disagree with or do not understand? If so, post it here. How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have read what CAF Apologist’s here have written?

Here’s one that just came to mind…

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "**The plan of salvation ALSO includes those who acknowledge the Creator, **in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

 

[panoikei]

Is that good or bad?

It’s good silly. I’m so excited that my family is Catholic. We have the most awsome prayer corner anyone could ever ask for. All my wifes doing… Huge crucifix, large Mary holding baby statue,candles, thuribul, Holy Spirit from St. Peter’s Basilica photo, sacred heart of Jesus, Immaculate Heart of Mary, Michael Angelo’s painint of God touching Adam’s fingertip. Vironica’s vail paining. About 7 rosaries, 1 giant rosary I carved in high school for my dad, who is now gone into eternity [very traditional Catholic] And that’s just where I’m sitting right now. Above is the “Prodical Son” Rembrandt. Dining we have the Last Supper and my wife has an arrangement of Mary with baby and several angels on another table. Then we get into the other huge St. Francis of Assisi statues and her collection of crosses which includes the San Damiano Cross. And this is just in the living room. Our bedroom is Marian, with the “Road to Emmaus”, and several other pictures of Jesus and Joseph holding the baby Jesus. My wife just went crazy. I love it.

And books and clothing…that’s a whole new thread. When I was Protestant, I donated most of my huge library of study aids, several commentaries, concordances, Lexicons, Historical books, Josephus, Philo, Catholic bible, LOTH, Childrens VCR Christian tapes, etc. Bet you protestants didn’t know that? Have you ever read Josephus or Philo? Interesting stuff. I have a collection of bibles that would put any preacher to shame. Read them too, including my Greek New Testament. I donated the Hebrew stuff. I’m not versed in Hebrew, but I’d love to dig into it one day when I have time. My main thing is church fathers and apologetics. I’m preparing a conversion story to share one day when the time is right. But my family is still in hiding from my Protestant family that will not receive our conversion well at all.

In spite of that, I’ve never been this happy before. My wife has never been this happy before. It’s not just for show either. We pray contantly in this house. I recited the Liturgy of the Hours and the Divine Office daily. She goes my the Magnificat and we both say the rosary throughout the week. We get to go to adoration in our oratory, nearly perpetual. It’s very awsome. I’m returning to faith formation slowly, but short of where I once held honor in humility as a seminarian. God has opened up the door for me again. I’ve learned so much and am bringing back an enormous lesson and knowledge of scripture back to the Catholic Church that is actually being tapped into these days. CCD teacher. RCIA sponsor. I’m a 3rd degree Knight and have been asked to participate on a committee to begin a new Council. EMHC, whic I’d gladly give up for deacons or priests. But if the Church is going to allow the motly crew that participate now, why not me…I know how to show respect for the Eucharist and keep other EMHC’s in line. May end up becoming a Sacrastine or ask to be a Acolite again like when I was in the seminary.

Enough?

 

[bengal_fan]

like revdrnorth, i have read and studied the catechism a number of times. it is enlightening in many ways. there are some things i disagree with. however, the catechism shows me that there is a valid argument for what the church teaches. the problem is that i think on many issues, the other side has just as valid an argument.

if we getting onto the subject of catholic apologists as well, i have read keating’s book, lots of peter kreeft, tom howard, steve ray, and just about everything scott hahn has written. i only named them since they are familiar to many here on CA. i have read a number of other catholic theologians and apologists as well. i have also read a lot of the early church fathers right up through the medieval period, through the reformation, to the council of trent, and beyond.

with these later apologists, i disagree that the church has always taught exactly the same thing it teaches today. or (at the very least) that it has always pushed the same things it pushes today (not in a drug sense but in the sense of what the church stresses today as important versus what the early church stressed, what the medieval church stressed, etc.). i disagree with newman when he says: “to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant.” i know many highly respected historians who are deeply Christian and protestant. i am not highly respected yet by any means (only been published once), but i know a good amount of history and i am still protestant.

overall, the catechism has done much to change my views on some things. it has also strengthened my views in some of the areas i disagree with it.

 

[Syele]

If you have, are there things in there that you disagree with or do not understand?

There are many things I disagree with, wouldn’t want to list them out in a thread like this. If I agreed with it all I’d be Catholic I suppose . I didn’t find anything I just plain didn’t understand what it was saying.

 

[flameburns623]

**How many non-Catholics here at CAF, have actually read what is written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church? **

:yup: :tiphat: :hypno:

 

[Jimmy_B]

What exactly are you trying to do here?

Hi

Oh…what? uch: me?.. nothing…

 

[gcnuss]

Jimmy,

I have a copy of the CCC which I have not read in its entirety. And, right beside it is a copy of the Baltimore Catechism. I use both as references when I want to explore Catholic doctrine.

Catholic authors whose works grace my bookshelves include Father Benedict Groeschel and Scott Hahn. I also have a few volumes of the Lutherans and Catholics in Dialogue series.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Here’s one that just came to mind…

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation ALSO includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

Hello believers,

So this one… “just came to mind”. No problem…

So, is it your belief that we are not all God’s Children, created in God’s image and that God, or that the Truths found in Christianity are not accessible to all people? Additionally, are you saying that those who believe or “share” the God of Abraham are not “sharing” the same God? Keep in mind that the early Church received many converts, who believed in the God of Abraham, the “Christian God” and were not Christian and from the ranks of pagans, those who didn’t share the God of Abraham; they worshiped multiple Gods.

I hope this helps.

Peace

 

[ChristianRoots]

like revdrnorth, i have read and studied the catechism a number of times. it is enlightening in many ways. there are some things i disagree with. however, the catechism shows me that there is a valid argument for what the church teaches. the problem is that i think on many issues, the other side has just as valid an argument.

 

[bengal_fan]

Thank you for acknowledging that there are vaild arguments for what the Catholic Church teaches.

no problem

But, why should the vailidity of these arguments diminsh if someone else comes up with what seems like a good counter-argument? Don’t you know Scripture and history can be twisted to support peculiar beliefs?

because if there are other sides to an argument, they deserve consideration. if one then becomes a stronger argument (which some, in my opinion, do) than the other, then i’ll go with the stronger argument. of course people can twist things any way they want, but those twists don’t usually stand up against knowledgeable criticism.

There cannot be more than one valid argument if there is only one Truth. Now, who decides what that truth is? You? Me? Is it individually up to each person?

sure there can. there are valid arguments for both sides of every issue. one side might come out with a stronger argument, but there is always another side to it. if there weren’t we would have no need for two lawyers in a courtroom. every individual decides for themselves what is truth ultimately. even roman catholics. they decide that the church’s argument is more valid than the other side’s. it is still a personal decision. you do choose your own truth.

I disagree. Development of doctrine, you know the mustard seed that becomes a tree. The mustard seed and tree are the same thing, aren’t they?

nice analogy, but it is way overused and doesn’t really address the issue. there are some things that early church fathers said that is now not believed by the church. now, these ecf’s were not the pope so they weren’t considered infallible by the rcc’s standards, but it goes to show that many, many early Christians held many, many different beliefs. even the ones who weren’t considered heretics.

 

[Calliope]

I turn to the Catechism (online) if and when I have a question or interest on what the Catholic church teaches on a particular issue. I never sat down and comprehensively read it.

Calliope