How many pages from the Bible do you use or need to use to support your beliefs?

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How many pages thick, would the Bible be, if we limited it to Protestant, or “Born-again” verses? I know that the Catholic Bible would remain the same, because we don’t reject anything in the Bible and we don’t believe that there exists, any true conflict in the Bible when viewed, and understood in context. The Catholic Church also has a Liturgical Calendar, in which, nearly the entire Bible is read aloud during Mass. I also know that some of the early Protestant Churches accept and use, most of the King James Version (KJV) Bible, although the KJV, at least the older ones, have many books that have been removed…
How many pages from the Bible do you use or need to use to support your beliefs?
 
Actually, Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers took two King James Bibles, a razor blade and cut out the verses he liked and threw away the rest of them. When his buddy Ben Franklin saw his work he proclaimed the new book “The Holy Pamphlet.”

There are certainly protestants out there that would be fine standing with Martin Luther who started the Reformation on ONE verse in Romans. The famous,“By grace are you saved, not of works lest any man shoud boast…” If we look at the proper historical content of the verse Paul is NOT even talking about good deeds but, the Law of Moses. So Luther didn’t even get that one right.

I had a friend who was a black southern Baptist who stayed with me for awhile and I’d invite him to join me in the Divine Office and the scripture readings from the lectionary especially on Sundays when we couldn’t get to church and he was amazed by the variety of readings used. His minister would fly with about a dozen or so all year long.

I’ve also joked that some protestants seem to think Paul is their saviour since while they “preach Jesus” they NEVER quote Him
 
scottywolf777 said:
Actually, Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers took two King James Bibles, a razor blade and cut out the verses he liked and threw away the rest of them. When his buddy Ben Franklin saw his work he proclaimed the new book “The Holy Pamphlet.”

There are certainly protestants out there that would be fine standing with Martin Luther who started the Reformation on ONE verse in Romans. The famous,“By grace are you saved, not of works lest any man shoud boast…” If we look at the proper historical content of the verse Paul is NOT even talking about good deeds but, the Law of Moses. So Luther didn’t even get that one right.

I had a friend who was a black southern Baptist who stayed with me for awhile and I’d invite him to join me in the Divine Office and the scripture readings from the lectionary especially on Sundays when we couldn’t get to church and he was amazed by the variety of readings used. His minister would fly with about a dozen or so all year long.

I’ve also joked that some protestants seem to think Paul is their saviour since while they “preach Jesus” they NEVER quote Him
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I can’t believe it… the first poster here understands my question, in this thread… Excellent post!
 
You know how the Calvary Chapels do it in church. They start with “In the Beginning” and methodically work their way to “The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen”. Most others read outside of church services.
 
4Squarebaby said:
You know how the Calvary Chapels do it in church. They start with “In the Beginning” and methodically work their way to “The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen”. Most others read outside of church services.
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Is this the case, with every Calvary Chapel Church? On which day of the year, do they start at the beginning of the Bible and when is their “liturgical” year over? I asked this because I have friends who belong to the Calvary Chapel Church and I have never heard of any systematic structure in place, in that church, where they go through the entire Bible … I’ve also attended a service, many years ago, at the Calvary Chapel and it involve a rock band, a few Bible verses and a sermon, followed by people coming forward to be “Saved”. This was a long time ago, so, please correct me if I’m wrong… Thank you for your post.
 
In a similar vein, I once watched an episode of the ‘Hour of power’, and timed how much scripture was quoted. From memory (it was a couple of years ago now) I got just over 2m:30s (and that included one verse being repeated 4 times and a couple of paraphrases) For the purposes of my study I didn’t include the singing (a young girl sang the verse from Amy Grant’s “Thy Word” about 7 times)

Scary stuff

Regards Doc
 
scottywolf777 said:
Actually, Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers took two King James Bibles, a razor blade and cut out the verses he liked and threw away the rest of them. When his buddy Ben Franklin saw his work he proclaimed the new book “The Holy Pamphlet.”

There are certainly protestants out there that would be fine standing with Martin Luther who started the Reformation on ONE verse in Romans. The famous,“By grace are you saved, not of works lest any man shoud boast…” If we look at the proper historical content of the verse Paul is NOT even talking about good deeds but, the Law of Moses. So Luther didn’t even get that one right.
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The highlighted paragraph begs a question. Did you mean this as a simplistic “short-cut” to describe Luther’s thinking, or are you really under the impression that this is actually the case?
I had a friend who was a black southern Baptist who stayed with me for awhile and I’d invite him to join me in the Divine Office and the scripture readings from the lectionary especially on Sundays when we couldn’t get to church and he was amazed by the variety of readings used. His minister would fly with about a dozen or so all year long.
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Lutherans, generally, use the same lectionary as the Catholic Church.

I believe it was Melanchthon who advised that for every verse one cites to support a belief, they should find three others that refute it. The point being, we must use all of scripture, not proof texts. The Lutheran Confessions even reference the Deutero-Canon.

Jon
 
Bible christians hold to the whole bible.

It seems to me the the catholic bible should be even thicker because of all the dogmas and traditions they have added and hold as equal to scripture.
 
I agree with the thought that we should use the whole Bible, and not just selected verses or “proof texts”. My (AG) pastor will usually take a whole book (currently James) and do a series on it, as lengthy as necessary, until he’s covered it all. James may last all Summer. Before that, we did Ruth, which took 4 weeks IIRC.

Btw, he usually teaches from the NIV. (Though sometimes he’ll use the NLT2, the Message or the KJV. He did one of the Psalms from the King James, which worked really well poetically that way.)
 
jericho777 said:
Bible christians hold to the whole bible.

It seems to me the the catholic bible should be even thicker because of all the dogmas and traditions they have added and hold as equal to scripture.
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it would be nice if we could have included some of the earliest Church fathers in an appendix of some sort. these folks were desciples of the apostles. and had many interesting things to say, in reguards to the oral teachings that were not written down. so in some respects i agree with you. it would make some of my searches a little easier. i prefer an actual book, to the web.😉 although i disagree they were “added”. we only have one deposite of faith. the Word, and tradition. hand in hand. Peace 🙂
 
jericho777 said:
Bible christians hold to the whole bible.
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Except for the part that talks about Christ building His Church on Peter. And that the gates of hades will not prevail against it. And also the part that says that faith without works is dead. Oh, and also the institution of the Eucharist. And a few other parts.

Protestants have these parts in their Bible. But they just ignore them 😦
jericho777 said:
It seems to me the the catholic bible should be even thicker because of all the dogmas and traditions they have added and hold as equal to scripture.
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Our dogmas are based off of scripture
 
justamoose89 said:
Except for the part that talks about Christ building His Church on Peter. And that the gates of hades will not prevail against it. And also the part that says that faith without works is dead. Oh, and also the institution of the Eucharist. And a few other parts.

Protestants have these parts in their Bible. But they just ignore them 😦
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Oh, really? Not one of the Protestant churches I’ve attended (IIRC, there are 6 of various denominations that I’ve been a regular at in my lifetime) has ignored those parts. And for the past few weeks my (Assemblies of God) pastor has been pounding on the “faith without works is dead” theme, since he’s teaching in depth through the whole book of James. But it’s true they don’t interpret them quite the same way Catholics do.
 
4Squarebaby said:
You know how the Calvary Chapels do it in church. They start with “In the Beginning” and methodically work their way to “The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen”. Most others read outside of church services.
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I don’t get it.
I was in Calvary Chapel for a dozen years.
There wasn’t anything methodical about it.
 
The evangelical churches I attended for half my life could narrow it down into a salvation tract
Steps to Peace with God
The 4 Spiritual Laws
or
Romans Road

As a Catholic, we narrow it down to …uh… everything… and most briefly into the catechism, and more briefer than that, the Compendium to the Catechism.
 
=justamoose89;6787932]Except for the part that talks about Christ building His Church on Peter. And that the gates of hades will not prevail against it. And also the part that says that faith without works is dead. Oh, and also the institution of the Eucharist. And a few other parts.
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I’d be careful of painting with too broad a brush here, moose. Lutherans generally talk about Christ building His Church on Peter’s confession of faith, but we recognize the reality of the role of Peter in the entire Church, not too dissimilarly to the way the Orthodox do.
Our pastor’s sermon yesterday was about sanctification, and the very important role works play in the life of a Christian.
On the Eucharist, I think you would find unity of belief between us of much regarding the Eucharist.
Protestants have these parts in their Bible. But they just ignore them 😦
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Not all of us, and for many others the issue is not ignoring them, but a difference in hermeneutics - whole other discussion.
Our dogmas are based off of scripture
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Does that make Catholics sola scripturists? 😃 Just kidding.
I don’t doubt that this is true. The use of Scripture and Tradition as opposed to sola scriptura sometimes leads us to (some) different conclusions. And solo scripturists are a completely different discussion. It is also true that even within those communions who practice Scripture and Tradition, differing views are present.

Jon
 
Izdaari said:
Oh, really? Not one of the Protestant churches I’ve attended (IIRC, there are 6 of various denominations that I’ve been a regular at in my lifetime) has ignored those parts. And for the past few weeks my (Assemblies of God) pastor has been pounding on the “faith without works is dead” theme, since he’s teaching in depth through the whole book of James. But it’s true they don’t interpret them quite the same way Catholics do.
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I was speaking of my experience with non-denominational protestants. When I talked with many of them, they were actually unaware of the verse in james that says “faith without works is dead”. And they claimed to be “bible believing Christians who believe in the whole Bible”. They tried to tell me that I was making that verse up, that they would know what was in their own Bible. Apparently they didn’t. Forgive me if I was being too general in the term “protestants”.
 
justamoose89 said:
I was speaking of my experience with non-denominational protestants. When I talked with many of them, they were actually unaware of the verse in james that says “faith without works is dead”. And they claimed to be “bible believing Christians who believe in the whole Bible”. They tried to tell me that I was making that verse up, that they would know what was in their own Bible. Apparently they didn’t. Forgive me if I was being too general in the term “protestants”.
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No problem, I’ve been known to speak a little too generally myself from time to time. 😉

It is, unfortunately, all too true that some “bible believing Christians” don’t know their Bible very well. 😦

Btw, the 6 churches I’ve been a regular at:
  1. Baptist (GARBC) [fundamentalist but non-wacky]
  2. Christian (Disciples of Christ) [moderate liberal]
  3. Open Bible (a house church, but the pastor was ordained by Open Bible) [Pentecostal]
  4. Baptist (ABC) [liberal]
  5. Lutheran (LCMS) [conservative]
  6. Assemblies of God (current member) [Pentecostal]
 
I dont need any to support my beliefsI dont read Scripture to discern the Truth-I read Scripture to gain a greater understanding of the Truth that has been taught to me by the Church
 
jericho777 said:
Bible christians hold to the whole bible.

It seems to me the the catholic bible should be even thicker because of all the dogmas and traditions they have added and hold as equal to scripture.
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Actaully Bible Christians hold to their pown ersonal interpretation of the whole Bible-which has, in the last 500 years, led to mass confusion. as to what Scripture says
 
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