M
myfavoritmartin
Guest
How many scriptures have been officially interpretted by the magisterium?
- Status
M
myfavoritmartin
Guest
I heard there were only 8 infallibly interpretted…Could that be?
D
Deconi
Guest
I say read the magisterium.
ALL Scripture referenced is an interpretation in itself.
ALL Scripture referenced is an interpretation in itself.
M
myfavoritmartin
Guest
what do you mean read the magisterium?I say read the magisterium.
ALL Scripture referenced is an interpretation in itself.
The catechism?
T
Tom
Guest
I’ve never heard any specific number. One reason is, Scripture often has many meanings, not a single interpretation for any given verse. To say a verse means only one thing is limiting the Word of God. One thing you may be confusing is when the Church corrects an incorrect interpretation, for example many of MLs interpretations of the writings of Paul. The Church corrected his errors. That’s not the same as interpreting a verse, it’s correcting an incorrect interpretation.
T
Tom
Guest
An example of the Church correcting interpretations could be the brothers and sisters of Jesus some say proves Mary had other children. The Church teaches these brothers and sisters are not children of Mary, but it does not teach who they are, simply who they are not.
Notice the Church doesn’t interpret the verse, it corrects an incorrect interpretation.
Notice the Church doesn’t interpret the verse, it corrects an incorrect interpretation.
M
myfavoritmartin
Guest
Okay here is a good example and one that is used frequently by catholics…2 thess 2:15
Is it referenced? and if so how does Rome interpret it?
Because I see catholics continually use it in support of “tradition”
Which to me denies the suffiency of the Holy scriptures.
Is it referenced? and if so how does Rome interpret it?
Because I see catholics continually use it in support of “tradition”
Which to me denies the suffiency of the Holy scriptures.
T
Tom
Guest
LOL, it has nothing to do with being afraid, as you well know… LOL
The Church is led to all truth by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn’t kept in a little room and called on to answer questions! The Holy Spirit doesn’t answer to man, man answers to Him! We cannot demand the Holy Spirit teach us the meaning of any given verse. The Holy Spirit can and does, lead the Church to correct errors. You want direct answers to a specific verse, demand it of God, He hasn’t revealed it to the Church, and the Church won’t “make things up” for your pleasure. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.
Again, no verse of Scripture is limited to any single meaning. Why would you demand it be interpreted?
T
Tom
Guest
In the second chapter of the second epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians, Paul is calming those brothers and sisters who have been taught an incorrect gospel. They had been told, incorrectly, that the second coming of Christ was at hand. They are terrified, and Paul is consoling them.
It might be noted here that many of the events Paul is referring to here in the second chapter have occurred, and continue to occur. Many have fallen away from the Church and followed their own gospel. Jesus only left one Church, it still exists, it is one Holy, Apostolic, and Catholic. Strange non-Catholics don’t “interpret” these verses isn’t it. He goes on to warn them to not listen to those who teach differently from the Church. This is where he tells them to follow the traditions handed on to them, “14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” That seems pretty plain to me. No need for interpretation.
You do however seem to think we, as Catholics, don’t appreciate Scripture. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
Scripture is one of the three foundations of His Church. Very much like the Trinity. You can’t divide the trinity into three separate “gods”. God is one. You can’t separate Scripture from the teaching of the magisterium, nor the Pope.
T
Tom
Guest
You really think Scripture is worthless? I know you’re baiting.
T
Tom
Guest
What we Catholics do is, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance while we read Scripture. We understand it in its context. If we are unsure or confused we study what others, including non-Catholics have thought. Yes, you read correctly, one of the ways I know what Luther and others have taught is I have studied their writings. I understand some of the fundamental errors of Calvin, Luther, et al. I understand where some of my separated brothers and sisters got some of their erroneous ideas.
The Catholic Church does not dictate what every verse of Scripture means, but when someone teaches incorrectly it corrects the error.
The Catholic Church does not dictate what every verse of Scripture means, but when someone teaches incorrectly it corrects the error.
M
myfavoritmartin
Guest
Though Paul was not saying, ‘Hold to Scripture and some oral component.’ In context, his meaning is much simpler. When you read the preceding verses, and take into account the context,
Paul’s meaning is simple. Paul had preached the gospel to the Thessalonians in person. He was now writing to them. He has just noted the gospel, and he is saying, ‘Hold to the body of teaching, i.e., the gospel, that I have delivered to you, both in person and by letter.’ The letter, of course, was what we call 1 Thessalonians. The content is the gospel.
We are to hold to the faith, the gospel of Jesus Christ, which the Thessalonian believers were privileged to learn, at that unique time of apostolic ministry, both from an apostle (Paul), and from a letter directly from him.
T
Tom
Guest
Paul is saying hold to the traditions he and the Church pass on, oral and written. Sorry it doesn’t agree with your theology, but it is plain and simple, no need to strain any gnats.
The context is the first chapter, as I said. They were being taught a different gospel, and were terrified by it. Paul isn’t replacing the oral traditions with a written tradition, as you’re implying. He clearly says follow both, but only the traditions, both written and oral, of His Church, not others, Luther, Calvin, Zwigly,
Again, a different gospel than Paul taught, heck even different from what he wrote! If you’re going to say written Scripture only, at least follow the written Scripture. You can’t have it both ways.
T
tobinatorstark
Guest
M
myfavoritmartin
Guest
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
They heard and now read the same gospel…Pauls saying stay that course…To read some affirmation of oral tradition in this is ridiculous, I doubt your bishops would even attempt to do that.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
They heard and now read the same gospel…Pauls saying stay that course…To read some affirmation of oral tradition in this is ridiculous, I doubt your bishops would even attempt to do that.
T
Tom
Guest
We’ve agreed the Catholic Church does NOT interpret every single verse of Scripture have we not? It only corrects an incorrect teaching. So what’s the problem? We read and understand Scripture the same as you. We’ve covered some of those differences here, in the writings of Paul. I would add a comment from our first Pope, Peter, in 2 Peter 3.
www.drbo.org:
www.drbo.org:
It would seem many have not listened to our first Pope.
V
VociMike
Guest
What “gotcha” are you setting up here? Why not just get right to it so people don’t waste their time trying to answer a question that’s just bait for your real point.
Yeah, I’m cynical on this one…
- Status