How many times somethings is mentioned

[Bill_Pick]

If it is mentioned three times or more, it is certainly to be taken literally.
In John chapter 6, Jesus emphasized nine times, “This IS My Body”.
He also said it in Matthew 26:26, Mark 14:22, and Luke 22:19. And if that isn’t enough, St. Paul said it again in 1Corinthians 11:24.

“THIS IS MY BODY” falls not only under this rule, but also under the “Law of First Mention”, doesn’t it, starting with Matthew 26:26?

“THIS IS MY BODY” also must follow the “Senses of the Bible”. These verses are literal. There is nothing said in these chapters to indicate any other sense.

How can anyone deny that Jesus meant what He said, when He said it so many times?
How can anyone break three basic rules of Bible interpretation, by saying “It is only a Symbol, or a representation of His Body”? Cathloic treas chest

 

[Roblox84]

If it is mentioned three times or more, it is certainly to be taken literally.
In John chapter 6, Jesus emphasized nine times, “This IS My Body”.
He also said it in Matthew 26:26, Mark 14:22, and Luke 22:19. And if that isn’t enough, St. Paul said it again in 1Corinthians 11:24.

“THIS IS MY BODY” falls not only under this rule, but also under the “Law of First Mention”, doesn’t it, starting with Matthew 26:26?

“THIS IS MY BODY” also must follow the “Senses of the Bible”. These verses are literal. There is nothing said in these chapters to indicate any other sense.

How can anyone deny that Jesus meant what He said, when He said it so many times?
How can anyone break three basic rules of Bible interpretation, by saying “It is only a Symbol, or a representation of His Body”? Cathloic treas chest

The only thing that I can think of is that the Eucharist is a hard thing to believe in for some people. In the bible when Christ said to the apostles that it was really his body, there were some that left because they just couldn’t believe in the presence. It’s just hard for people to comprehend that fact and that is why they just think it is symbolic. You can also take that passage in the bible as foreshadowing to what was to happen in the future.

 

[PAboy57]

most folks will never understand or accept it.

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Thank you, Bill. I believe the above poster put it in a nutshell. Most can barely grasp it (Catholics included) and most don’t want to. Don’t worry, God will not let them go into eternal life without making Himself in His True Presence clear.

 

[CMatt25]

How many times is the word “believe” (as in believe in Christ’s Sacrifice of His body and blood for us) mentioned in Jn 6 and throughout the NT?

 

[Bill_Pick]

How many times is the word “believe” (as in believe in Christ’s Sacrifice of His body and blood for us) mentioned in Jn 6 and throughout the NT?

Most Protestants are just like the Jews, they just do not believe Our Lord Jesus Christ, and that is a shame

 

[BrianH]

Most Protestants are just like the Jews, they just do not believe Our Lord Jesus Christ, and that is a shame

What an absolutely horrible statement. You know what I like about the Pope and the Catechism, its worded well. It shows compassion and an ecumenical spirit.

 

[Bill_Pick]

What an absolutely horrible statement. You know what I like about the Pope and the Catechism, its worded well. It shows compassion and an ecumenical spirit.

BrianH, What is it that you do not like about my statments,its a true statement,it was the jews that walk away,and I think you saying it is a horrible statment is WRONG and is a insult to most Cathloics

 

[BrianH]

BrianH, What is it that you do not like about my statments,its a true statement,it was the jews that walk away,and I think you saying it is a horrible statment is WRONG and is a insult to most Cathloics

Its absolutely not an insult. I suggest you follow the example of your church leaders. What do THEY say?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Its absolutely not an insult. I suggest you follow the example of your church leaders. What do THEY say?

"What a hornble statsment "is not a insult, well that tells me all I need to know about you… I,ll pray for you to get to understant english,have a good day

 

[Loboto-Me]

Not only how many times things are mentioned, but also “The Law of First Mention”

I don’t remember where I got this but it sure gave me food for thought

**The Law of First Mention… **
When something is first mentioned in the Bible, the meaning of it remains the same throughout the rest of the Bible.
When GOD gave authority to someone in Scripture, HE changed the name of that person.
1. GOD renamed Abram to Abraham when He made him the ‘Father of a Multitude of Nations’, in Gen 17:5. HE gave Abraham ‘primacy’ over all other men.
2. GOD renamed Sara to Sarah when HE made her the ‘Mother of Nations’ in Gen 17:15-16. HE gave Sarah ‘primacy’ over all other women.
3. GOD renamed Jacob to Israel, the name of the Jewish Nation, and Jacob became the first Israeli in Gen 32:29, 35:10.
4. GOD renamed Simon to Peter in Matt 16:18, thus giving him ‘primacy’ over all of the Apostles. Why else would GOD give a new name to Simon?

I’m very sick here with a cold and so I just had to edit to see that you also saw “the law of first mention” since you “mention” it in the OP . When I saw this I copied and pasted into “my special folder” without mentioning where I got it from. Perhaps I read your post above and that “law of first mention” stuck in my mind so I had to MENTION it lol!

 

[Bill_Pick]

Not only how many times things are mentioned, but also “The Law of First Mention”

I don’t remember where I got this but it sure gave me food for thought

**The Law of First Mention… **
When something is first mentioned in the Bible, the meaning of it remains the same throughout the rest of the Bible.
When GOD gave authority to someone in Scripture, HE changed the name of that person.
1. GOD renamed Abram to Abraham when He made him the ‘Father of a Multitude of Nations’, in Gen 17:5. HE gave Abraham ‘primacy’ over all other men.
2. GOD renamed Sara to Sarah when HE made her the ‘Mother of Nations’ in Gen 17:15-16. HE gave Sarah ‘primacy’ over all other women.
3. GOD renamed Jacob to Israel, the name of the Jewish Nation, and Jacob became the first Israeli in Gen 32:29, 35:10.
4. GOD renamed Simon to Peter in Matt 16:18, thus giving him ‘primacy’ over all of the Apostles. Why else would GOD give a new name to Simon?

I’m very sick here with a cold and so I just had to edit to see that you also saw “the law of first mention” since you “mention” it in the OP . When I saw this I copied and pasted into “my special folder” without mentioning where I got it from. Perhaps I read your post above and that “law of first mention” stuck in my mind so I had to MENTION it lol!

A very good post and you get a A++

 

[Loboto-Me]

Did you even understand my edit? (I don’t think I understood it) Oye! That was a mixed fuddle up of words, so please ignore that… I think I need to have a nap don’t I?

Thanks for the A++, although it’s only for the copy and paste job I did because that wasn’t MY work LOL! Bet if I had been able to give credit where the credit is due I could have gotten an extra “plus”!

 

[BrianH]

"What a hornble statsment "is not a insult, well that tells me all I need to know about you… I,ll pray for you to get to understant english,have a good day

Oh come on people…you can’t blame me for seeing the irony of this!!

 

[Radical]

If it is mentioned three times or more, it is certainly to be taken literally.

Well now, there is an extremely useful rule for interpretation when an infallible Magesterium isn’t on call. I note the gospels state:

"For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.” Matt 12:50

“For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother." Mark 3:35

“But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Luke 8:21

We have a winner…three times it is stated, and so a literal understanding is required. This is also consistent, in that the “is” of the above statements is the same “is” used for “This IS My Body”. So the one “is” should be taken as literally (or as spiritually) as the other “is” and it would seem that the rule requires a literal interpretation in both.

“THIS IS MY BODY” falls not only under this rule, but also under the “Law of First Mention”, doesn’t it, starting with Matthew 26:26?

another useful rule for determining what is meant by “brother”, “sister” and “mother”……The “mother” of a person then, must be the woman who gave birth and then nurtured the person in question (from Matt 1:18). I assume transubstantiation is involved in this case too, and so what puzzles me, is that when someone does the will of God and is transubstantiated into Jesus’s mother, brother and sister, how long does the transubstantiation last? Is it for as long as one continues to actively do God’s will? Is it permanent? Is it until one sins? …but then how would that work? If some one has been transubstantiated into Mary, and since Mary can’t sin, how would that person sin again? Alas, these rules can only take a fellow so far….

 

[Bill_Pick]

Well now, there is an extremely useful rule for interpretation when an infallible Magesterium isn’t on call. I note the gospels state:

"For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.” Matt 12:50

“For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother." Mark 3:35

“But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Luke 8:21

We have a winner…three times it is stated, and so a literal understanding is required. This is also consistent, in that the “is” of the above statements is the same “is” used for “This IS My Body”. So the one “is” should be taken as literally (or as spiritually) as the other “is” and it would seem that the rule requires a literal interpretation in both.

another useful rule for determining what is meant by “brother”, “sister” and “mother”……The “mother” of a person then, must be the woman who gave birth and then nurtured the person in question (from Matt 1:18). I assume transubstantiation is involved in this case too, and so what puzzles me, is that when someone does the will of God and is transubstantiated into Jesus’s mother, brother and sister, how long does the transubstantiation last? Is it for as long as one continues to actively do God’s will? Is it permanent? Is it until one sins? …but then how would that work? If some one has been transubstantiated into Mary, and since Mary can’t sin, how would that person sin again? Alas, these rules can only take a fellow so far….

He said it 9 times in all three gosples and in 1cor

 

[Radical]

He said it 9 times in all three gosples and in 1cor

So what? It doesn’t matter if a thing is said 70 times 7 times…it only must be said three times for the rule to kick in. BTW what is it that you think was said 9 times? A word search of “is my body” only discloses three uses in the gospels. I looked at John 6 and note that Jesus said that he is bread more than three times and so, by the 3 times said = literal rule, Jesus’s body must have been transubstantiated into bread on that occasion…which, come to think of it, makes good sense, b/c I recall from my days as a scientist that there was a rule that said “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”. So if Jesus’s body was transubstantiated into bread at the time of John 6, then it only makes sense that an equal and opposite reaction would occur at the Lord’s Supper so that the bread was transubstantiated into his body…I just can’t figure out the equal and opposite reaction for the wine => blood.

 

[Radical]

Oh come on people…you can’t blame me for seeing the irony of this!!

No I can’t…in fact, I am finding more and more to smile about in this thread.

 

[Bill_Pick]

So what? It doesn’t matter if a thing is said 70 times 7 times…it only must be said three times for the rule to kick in. BTW what is it that you think was said 9 times? A word search of “is my body” only discloses three uses in the gospels. I looked at John 6 and note that Jesus said that he is bread more than three times and so, by the 3 times said = literal rule, Jesus’s body must have been transubstantiated into bread on that occasion…which, come to think of it, makes good sense, b/c I recall from my days as a scientist that there was a rule that said “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”. So if Jesus’s body was transubstantiated into bread at the time of John 6, then it only makes sense that an equal and opposite reaction would occur at the Lord’s Supper so that the bread was transubstantiated into his body…I just can’t figure out the equal and opposite reaction for the wine => blood.

Go to your roam and shut the doar and read all of John 6,and see what our Lord said and then tell why the jews got up and walk away

 

[Dokimas]

If it is mentioned three times or more, it is certainly to be taken literally.
In John chapter 6, Jesus emphasized nine times, “This IS My Body”.
He also said it in Matthew 26:26, Mark 14:22, and Luke 22:19. And if that isn’t enough, St. Paul said it again in 1Corinthians 11:24.

“THIS IS MY BODY” falls not only under this rule, but also under the “Law of First Mention”, doesn’t it, starting with Matthew 26:26?

“THIS IS MY BODY” also must follow the “Senses of the Bible”. These verses are literal. There is nothing said in these chapters to indicate any other sense.

How can anyone deny that Jesus meant what He said, when He said it so many times?
How can anyone break three basic rules of Bible interpretation, by saying “It is only a Symbol, or a representation of His Body”? Cathloic treas chest

Mt 5:30 "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Mt 18:8 "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.
Mr 9:43 "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched​

What about these three?