How many times would it take for your pastor to preach hate for you to leave?

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How many times would it take for your pastor to preach hate for you to leave?
 
Once might be a mistake or I may have not understood the meaning. But twice and you know there’s something going on. 😦
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
Once might be a mistake or I may have not understood the meaning. But twice and you know there’s something going on. 😦
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I agree with you. I might have misunderstood the first time or he might have misstated his viewpoint. Twice and I would be gone.😦

I might take him aside and privately ask him for clarification, just to make certain that I hadn’t heard him incorrectly.
 
First I want to make clear that I would NEVER LEAVE the Catholic Church.

I said twice in case I misunderstood the first time. I would ask him afterwards what he clearly meant and I would hope that I misunderstood if the homily was not clear enough.

If it was twice or more than two times I would not leave the Catholic Church. I would just not attend Mass at that particular parish. I would go to the Bishop and let him know that this particular priest is preaching hatred. I would then hope & pray that something can be done about it.
 
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Yes, Daniel, please give an example!
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He can’t without breaking forum rules. 😃 He’s probably referring to something in the news lately, about a preacher saying hateful things and taking God’s name in vain.

So to answer the question, I agree that it would only take once, if I was sure I had not misunderstood (to leave a parish, not the Catholic Church!).
 
As I understand it, the ideal is to preach the lessons from the readings and the love of Christ. Which is, the love for people. Without knowing more about the specific situation, I can’t say more to it, but if I were you in that parish, I would try to get in touch with the diocese-- call or write someone-- present the concerns in a humble way, and see what you can do. It really would bother me if I heard a homily that was bigoted or unreasonably angry or something. If it’s impossible to bear, I might change parishes. Not necessarily move house, just find another church to go to. We’re not talking about being picky about what movie to go see. This is a little more important than that.

Good luck and I hope things improve for you.
 
sphilomena said:
He can’t without breaking forum rules. 😃 He’s probably referring to something in the news lately, about a preacher saying hateful things and taking God’s name in vain.

So to answer the question, I agree that it would only take once, if I was sure I had not misunderstood (to leave a parish, not the Catholic Church!).
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Well, if it were the Lord’s name in vain, it would only take me 1 time & I might even walk out at that point!

So I’ll vote 1 time for that priest, but not the Catholic Church! And I would defenently contact the Bishop, however, if it were not the Lord’s name in vain, I would ask for an explanation from that priest in case I might have misunderstood. OK?
 
I would leave the parish–never the faith. But I would most certainly look for another parish…*had I been present *to hear the hateful words being preached.😉 😃
 
Are you saying that your homilist should be prohibited from preaching to “hate” sin?

Please elaborate?

Fr. T
 
sphilomena said:
He can’t without breaking forum rules. 😃 He’s probably referring to something in the news lately, about a preacher saying hateful things and taking God’s name in vain.

So to answer the question, I agree that it would only take once, if I was sure I had not misunderstood (to leave a parish, not the Catholic Church!).
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Can’t references be made even to fictitious but plausible examples 🙂 ?​

Preaching hatred of sin, is surely not the same as encouraging people to hate other people. OTOH, it may be more constructive to preach the Love of Christ, since this is incompatible with love of our sins. OTOH again, maybe both are needed.
 
Here, and I thought we were supposed to be Christians. Didn’t Jesus say something about forgiving seven times seventy times? And isn’t that a Hebraic euphemism for “until hell freezes over?”

Matthew
 
From the perspective of the world (a false perspective, but nonetheless), a lot of things which the Church teaches is “hate.” People today throw around the hate charge like it’s nothing. I, for one, am on the skeptical side of things whenever I hear some testimony that a priest (or minister or rabbi, etc.) is preaching “hate.” This is because it is usually the case that the criticism has originated with jaded heretics, pagans, or heathens who disagree with/misunderstand the faith which the priest is preaching. I know of many, many homosexuals, for instance, who would say without pause that the Catholic Church is a “hateful organization.” In many parts of the world today, voicing opposition to same-sex marriage is considered “hate speech.”

As long as my pastor is teaching what the Church teaches, I’m happy. The world can call it whatever it likes. I didn’t become a Catholic because the Church watered-down its doctrines to suit the tastes of those who despise Her. If I wanted that, I’d be an Anglican or a Methodist.
 
I have never heard a Catholic priest preach anything hateful. I have heard some not very inspiring homilies. But the Catholic Church is mostly about preaching God’s love for sinners, and the awesome redemption that his sacrifice on the cross earned for us!
 
Cajetan said:
From the perspective of the world (a false perspective, but nonetheless), a lot of things which the Church teaches is “hate.” People today throw around the hate charge like it’s nothing. I, for one, am on the skeptical side of things whenever I hear some testimony that a priest (or minister or rabbi, etc.) is preaching “hate.” This is because it is usually the case that the criticism has originated with jaded heretics, pagans, or heathens who disagree with/misunderstand the faith which the priest is preaching. I know of many, many homosexuals, for instance, who would say without pause that the Catholic Church is a “hateful organization.” In many parts of the world today, voicing opposition to same-sex marriage is considered “hate speech.”

As long as my pastor is teaching what the Church teaches, I’m happy. The world can call it whatever it likes. I didn’t become a Catholic because the Church watered-down its doctrines to suit the tastes of those who despise Her. If I wanted that, I’d be an Anglican or a Methodist.
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This sums up what I think, as well.

Now, there are hateful ways to talk about anything. You could talk about somebody’s apple pie recipe in a hateful manner. If there seemed to be an actual emotional issue on the part of the preacher, I’d be out of there pretty quick. There are charitable ways to talk about detestable things. Fred Phelps may be doctrinally correct in his condemnation of homosexuality, but he’s clearly preaching hate. (It doesn’t get any more explicit than “God Hates Fags.”)

There are some things that are hateful, no matter how sweetly they are expressed. I don’t care how gently someone might put it, but if they start saying it’s a sin to marry someone of another race, they’re preaching hate.

I feel the same way about anybody talking about Jewish conspiracies to destroy the Church.
 
If I were to hear, say, a sermon similar to one that is prominent in the news these days, I wouldn’t go back. In fact, I’d probably leave during the sermon. There is absolutely no way that particular sermon could be misunderstood. And if my fellow churchgoers were cheering the pastor? :eek:

But otherwise, I’d agree with the posters who said that they would give the pastor a second chance, on the assumption that perhaps there was a misunderstanding.
 
If a Pastor preached hated I would not even wait for Mass to be over, I would leave, right then and there.😦
But I would report him to the Bishop, but in the meantime find another Parish to attend until the problem is resolved.
I would not leave the Church because of one person.
 
I think that the OP is referring to the kind of sermon that has been in the news lately, the kind which, in no uncertain terms, denounces others because of race or ethnicity. Unlike homosexual acts, which one can choose or not to engage in, one is stuck with the skin color or ethnic background one was born with unless they decide to go the Michael Jackson route.
 
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