How many times would it take for your pastor to preach hate for you to leave?

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How many times would it take for your pastor to preach hate for you to leave?
 
Since un-programmed Friends don’t have “pastors”, if an elder or clerk spoke “hate” in Meeting, he or she would be “eldered” in the way of Friends, if they persisted, they would be removed from being an elder or Clerk of the Meeting.
 
That would depend entirely on the message. Can you give an example?
 
I agree with you, Publisher. Most churches have a mechanism for dealing with such a problem. I would complain to the bishop’s office.
 
I would report him to the powers that be and hopefully repentence would result and an effort to make amends to our entire church community. I would fight on until justice was served…if he refused to recant, I would advocate that he be removed from service. It is as much my faith community as it is his. Let him bear the consequences of his actions.
 
Sometimes the bible preaches hate, how many times would it take for you to leave?

*Psalms 31:6
I hate those who regard vain idols, But I trust in the LORD. *

Whatever happened to the old saying “hate the deed, not the doer”. 🤷
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
How many times would it take for your pastor to preach hate for you to leave?
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This is unclear. What do you mean “hate”? Hating sin? Hating groups of people?

What do you mean “leave”? Leave the parish? Leave the church? What? If something is being taught against Church teachings, then why no just report it to the bishop? Why does a person have to leave. Seems cowardly to me.
 
rpp said:
This is unclear. What do you mean “hate”? Hating sin? Hating groups of people?

What do you mean “leave”? Leave the parish? Leave the church? What? If something is being taught against Church teachings, then why no just report it to the bishop? Why does a person have to leave. Seems cowardly to me.
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hate of a particular race or hate of the country they live in? only once. I would walk out in the middle fo the sermon.
 
I put once but it’s wrong, I want to change my vote! It was a misclick.

Once and I’d be in a meeting with him to discuss what he said. ( I did this once and it was a misunderstanding) I might have misunderstood, or he might take it back.

If he did it again I’d be obliged by scripture to take more people with me to discuss it.
15"If your brother sins against you,**(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 18&version=31#fen-NIV-23741b”)] go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'c] 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
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If he refuses to listen I’d have to leave.

All that said, I did stay at a Catholic Parrish even though the Priest was hateful. 😦 So in RL experience I think I’d probably be more patient than is warranted.
 
Syele said:
All that said, I did stay at a Catholic Parrish even though the Priest was hateful. 😦 So in RL experience I think I’d probably be more patient than is warranted.
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but did he actually preach hate during the sermon?
 
It took us a year to leave a parish when it was clear the pastor was a) anti-American, b) anti-military (when quite a few of the members of the parish worked for the military, including my husband) and c) hateful. Mainly because we had just converted to this particular non-Catholic faith, and we didn’t want to admit we’d made a mistake. 😦 But now we are back in the Catholic church and happier for it. 🙂
 
Publisher said:
Since un-programmed Friends don’t have “pastors”, if an elder or clerk spoke “hate” in Meeting, he or she would be “eldered” in the way of Friends, if they persisted, they would be removed from being an elder or Clerk of the Meeting.
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Jerusha said:
I agree with you, Publisher. Most churches have a mechanism for dealing with such a problem. I would complain to the bishop’s office.
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I think this is the proper way to deal with this.
I know this is a different kind of case, but it seems to apply the same mechanism: When I was a little girl, we had a pastor who went…:eek: nuts. Just:bigyikes: nuts. In the middle of a sermon. (He had been exteremely eccentric for some time, so the grown-ups were watching him–you know?)
He suddenly began:whacky: babbling about the heat of hell somehow being causally related to the size of the corn in Kansas. (Or the other way around. I don’t remember if he said the corn was growing larger the more people went to hell, or if he thought that the people in hell were sending out signals to grow the corn bigger. Or if the size of the corn was making hell hotter…I just remember that, even being a wee tot, I knew he had just:hypno: lost it completely).
One member went quietly (& quickly) home, called the bishop, & informed him of what happened, and the man ended up under psychiatric care.
Really, it went so smoothly through channels, if I hadn’t heard him myself, I wouldn’t even remember it happened. I would just think he left because he was ill. (Which is true).
Anyhow, I think this would fall under the same system…
 
Where is the OP?

Should we start with 20 questions?

#2: Do I reference “ridin’ dirty” in my sermon in this “senario?”
 
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