How many verses of the Epistle were read today? Was it too long for some folks?

[Cathryn]

I don’t understand why verses 18-21 would need to be left out for any reason. My parish uses the Oregon Catholic Press and had those verses in brackets for those parishes who needed a shorter version. . My parish did read the long version including the bracketed verse 18-21. Did some parishes decide on the need for the shorter. If so do you know why Who decides these things? I suspect it was because the last verses were unpopular with some folk.

Reading II
Col 3:12-21 or 3:12-17

Brothers and sisters:
Put on, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved,
heartfelt compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience,
bearing with one another and forgiving one another,
if one has a grievance against another;
as the Lord has forgiven you, so must you also do.
And over all these put on love,
that is, the bond of perfection.
And let the peace of Christ control your hearts,
the peace into which you were also called in one body.
And be thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly,
as in all wisdom you teach and admonish one another,
singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs
with gratitude in your hearts to God.
And whatever you do, in word or in deed,
do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus,
giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Wives, be subordinate to your husbands,
as is proper in the Lord.
Husbands, love your wives,
and avoid any bitterness toward them.
Children, obey your parents in everything,
for this is pleasing to the Lord.
Fathers, do not provoke your children,
so they may not become discouraged.

or the sanitized version:

Brothers and sisters:
Put on, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved,
heartfelt compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience,
bearing with one another and forgiving one another,
if one has a grievance against another;
as the Lord has forgiven you, so must you also do.
And over all these put on love,
that is, the bond of perfection.
And let the peace of Christ control your hearts,
the peace into which you were also called in one body.
And be thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly,
as in all wisdom you teach and admonish one another,
singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs
with gratitude in your hearts to God.
And whatever you do, in word or in deed,
do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus,
giving thanks to God the Father through him.

 

[lizaanne]

We did not attend Mass at Grotto today - we did not get out of the house in time. So we went to Sts. Cyril and Methodious. They did read the entire long version. I don’t have a problem in the world with any part of that reading.

We got to renew our marriage vows after Mass today along with all the other married couples there! That was a very pleasant surprise.

~Liza

 

[Cathryn]

We did not attend Mass at Grotto today - we did not get out of the house in time. So we went to Sts. Cyril and Methodious. They did read the entire long version. I don’t have a problem in the world with any part of that reading.

We got to renew our marriage vows after Mass today along with all the other married couples there! That was a very pleasant surprise.

~Liza

Congratulations:thumbsup: I would love to renew my wedding vows. I like the idea of doing it with the rest of the parish. I agree with you about not having a probem with the long version

 

[Phemie]

We got the long reading but that is probably because
the woman who read would never opt for the shorter of two readings.

Whenever someone has approached me to ask whether to do the long or the short version he/she has been told to read the long version.

 

[Cathryn]

I don’t think we should have the option of long or short when the reading is not overly long. The passage isn’t optional, it’s the inspired Word of God. Why leave it up to the parishes as to what they want to hear? I think that is what it comes down to. I wonder if there is any directives to read the long version even if the missalette indicates an option.

 

[alessandro]

I’m curious why the contemporary liturgical calendar (for the Ordinary Form) has today be the Feast of the Holy Family. It totally skips over the Sunday in the Octave of Christmas! (Christmas isn’t over yet The traditional liturgical calendar (for the Extraordinary Form) celebrates the Holy Family on January 13, first Sunday after the Epiphany.

With regard to the theme of the original post, I personally have never liked it when passages are shortened. It doesn’t take much longer to read the whole thing.

 

[Cathryn]

I’m curious why the contemporary liturgical calendar (for the Ordinary Form) has today be the Feast of the Holy Family. It totally skips over the Sunday in the Octave of Christmas! (Christmas isn’t over yet The traditional liturgical calendar (for the Extraordinary Form) celebrates the Holy Family on January 13, first Sunday after the Epiphany.

I don’t know. But, good question.

With regard to the theme of the original post, I personally have never liked it when passages are shortened. It doesn’t take much longer to read the whole thing.

Yes, in this case about 15 seconds longer. It’s only 4 sentences .

 

[Phemie]

I’m curious why the contemporary liturgical calendar (for the Ordinary Form) has today be the Feast of the Holy Family. It totally skips over the Sunday in the Octave of Christmas! (Christmas isn’t over yet

No, and celebrating the Holy Family doesn’t say that Christmas is over.

The traditional liturgical calendar (for the Extraordinary Form) celebrates the Holy Family on January 13, first Sunday after the Epiphany.

January 13 for us this year is the Baptism of the Lord, which marks the end of the Christmas season.

With regard to the theme of the original post, I personally have never liked it when passages are shortened. It doesn’t take much longer to read the whole thing.

 

[AJV]

I don’t understand why verses 18-21 would need to be left out for any reason. My parish uses the Oregon Catholic Press and had those verses in brackets for those parishes who needed a shorter version. . My parish did read the long version including the bracketed verse 18-21. Did some parishes decide on the need for the shorter. If so do you know why Who decides these things? I suspect it was because the last verses were unpopular with some folk.

Reading II
Col 3:12-21 or 3:12-17

The full reading was read in my church. It was a good homily also- on family values, family prayer, abortion, etc. though for some reason (maybe the children) the priest chose the most roundabout expression of contraception that I’ve heard. But nothing compared to the fire that was unleashed last year by the preacher at the end of his homily last year when he spoke on parents’ responsibility in bringing up children in the faith and protecting them from bad influences (“Before God, you’ll will be held to account”).

 

[Katie1723]

We had the full reading at my church.
Kathy

 

[rosebudsal]

That reading was in Spanish today. Our Mass is bilingual and the first reading is always in English the second in Spanish. While I can generally understand Spanish, I sometimes zone out when the Lector reads poorly in Spanish so I’ll look up the readings in English later. I have a feeling it was the short reading only because we also had baptisms as well and Mass was long.

 

[alessandro]

January 13 for us this year is the Baptism of the Lord, which marks the end of the Christmas season.

Yes, it’s the same in the traditional calendar.

The Feast of the Holy Family is the first Sunday after the Epiphany, which this year falls on January 13. But the Commemoration of the Baptism of Our Lord is fixed on January 13, yearly.

Since both fall on the same day this year, and since both are 2nd-class celebrations, I wonder which one takes precedence? The Missal doesn’t say, but since Holy Family is a feast, I believe that is the liturgy that will be celebrated on that day.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I was at a Teen Mass and the young lady did not read the bracketed version.
Father referred to it for about 3 seconds, but really kind of glossed over.
Honestly, I zoned out during his homily, and I feel bad.

 

[benedictgal]

I got drafted to serve as lector for the Cathedral vigil Mass (the regularly schedule one didn’t show). I opted for the longer version. After all, it is about the family and, this is the Feast of the Holy Family. The real crux and meaning of the epistle (and, its applicability to the feast) comes in the last paragraph.

The father is the head of his family, just as Christ is the head of His Body (and spouse) the Church. My dad kind of laughs at the part about children obeying their parents, to which I shoot back the final line about fathers not nagging their children.

I wonder if folks would also have the same problem with the responsorial psalm wherein the wife is referred to as a fruitful vine in the recesses of the home and the children like olive plants around the table.

The thing is that when we begin excising scripture through cosmetic surgery, we begin to lose the meaning behind the words.

 

[AJV]

Yes, it’s the same in the traditional calendar.

The Feast of the Holy Family is the first Sunday after the Epiphany, which this year falls on January 13. But the Commemoration of the Baptism of Our Lord is fixed on January 13, yearly.

Since both fall on the same day this year, and since both are 2nd-class celebrations, I wonder which one takes precedence? The Missal doesn’t say, but since Holy Family is a feast, I believe that is the liturgy that will be celebrated on that day.

According to the rubric of the altar missal- the Holy Family, without commemoration of the Baptism.

According to pre-1955 rubrics, Holy Family would be on the 12th and the Octave (Baptiism) on the 13th.

 

[alessandro]

According to pre-1955 rubrics, Holy Family would be on the 12th and the Octave (Baptiism) on the 13th.

Interesting how the calendar changed year after year. I wonder what necessitated the change from 1955 to 1962; and again from that traditional schedule to the contemporary one in use for the ordinary form of the Mass today.

Complicated stuff.

 

[Steve40]

The Sunday readings for 12/30 gave the option of reading Colossians 3:12-17 instead of 3:12-21.

This is what was “optionally” cut out:

“18 Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. 21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.”

They cut out submission within Scripture just when we need this virture most. This shows their pure ignorance of what it means to be submissive. God help me because I am still required to submit and be subject to them in their authority given by Him.

 

[Pong]

If it was optional, then I fail to see the problem with the omission.

 

[thistle]

The Sunday readings for 12/30 gave the option of reading Colossians 3:12-17 instead of 3:12-21.

This is what was “optionally” cut out:

“18 Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. 21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.”

They cut out submission within Scripture just when we need this virture most. This shows their pure ignorance of what it means to be submissive. God help me because I am still required to submit and be subject to them in their authority given by Him.

12-21 was read in our church. However as another poster has said if they had the option of reading either then what’s your problem?

 

[Joysong]

This shows their pure ignorance of what it means to be submissive. God help me because I am still required to submit and be subject to them in their authority given by Him.

Dear Steve,

Did you miss this part of the reading?

… bearing with one another and forgiving one another, if one has a grievance against another; as the Lord has forgiven you, so must you also do.

And over all these put on love, that is, the bond of perfection.

NOT that there is anything to forgive here.

My belief is that the options offered for the feast of the Holy Family, give the celebrant a choice to focus on in his homily.