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mark_a
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And which one do the “King James only” crowd gravitate toward?
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SyCarl
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There is really only one King James version, although the original 1611 version had the Apocrypha (Deutercanonical books) which many later printings did not. There have been changes to up-date the spelling and punctuation to modern usage and to standardize the spelling of names. There have been variations due to printer errors and such. Essentialy if you buy a King James Bible now you get the 1769 revision.
A comparison of the 1611 version and the current can be seen in this verse.
A comparison of the 1611 version and the current can be seen in this verse.
For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.
(John 3:16 KJV-1611)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(John 3:16 KJV)
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MissionMike
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Well there are multiple updates. The “KJV only” PRCA will use the most recent KJV version. Do not look down on them since Catholics mainly use RSV with the apocrypha, which almost no other denomination will use, nor did the Jewish people. They understood the apocrypha to be how to live as a pious Jew in a Gentile world during the Diaspora.
Blessings.
Blessings.
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mark_a
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Thanks folks. I have a Baptist friend who is a “KJV only” kinda guy. Is the KJV considered superior to the previous translation of the bible for “KJV only” folks?
He has been speaking of our war in Iraq and how it is predicted in the KJV.
He has been speaking of our war in Iraq and how it is predicted in the KJV.
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SyCarl
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I don’t really know how they treat earlier translations. Most of these have not been available for centuries, although some, such as the Geneva Bible, are now available but I have only seen this translation with the old spelling. This was the most popular version when the King James Version was done and remained so for sometime afterwards. King James disliked the notes accompanying the Geneva bible, which is why when he commissioned the King James version he directed it to have no commentary included.
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lak611
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The 1769 revision was edited by Benjamin Blayney. It is still possible to find the Apocrypha in this edition. I have a Cambridge KJV with the Apocrypha. I also have a reprint of the original 1611 version.Essentialy if you buy a King James Bible now you get the 1769 revision.
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strngrnrth
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KJV Onlyists (KJVOs or KJOs) tend to believe in a “double stream” theory of manuscript copying, which they believe places the Textus Receptus in a class by itself for accuracy. They base this theory on the idea that the Church started in Syria and there were a lot of heretics in Egypt. Therefore, they reason, Egyptian copyists were subject to bad influences, and their copies may have been tampered. But the copies don’t actually show any difference in content between Syrian and Egyptian locations. There is far more variation within each of those places than between the two. And they weren’t the only areas with copying in the early days.
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- Do not look down on them since Catholics mainly use RSV with the apocrypha, which almost no other denomination will use, nor did the Jewish people.
- They understood the apocrypha to be how to live as a pious Jew in a Gentile world during the Diaspora.
- I don’t think that many Catholics use the RSV. While the RSV editorial staff DID include some Catholics, it is mainly a Protestant translation, and a very outdated one.
For more serious research, the absolute cream-of-the-crop - by far - is the Anchor Bible, published by Doubleday. The product of the best Jewish-Catholic-Protestant scholarship when first released, it is now being substantially updated. An absolute treasure!
I also use the New English Bible and the New Jerusalem Bible.
For etymology, the online NET (New English Translation) is quite good, though it does include some Fundamentalist Protestant bias in some of the footnotes.
- That might be true, and that is, of course, true of some of the protocanonical books, such as Job and Daniel, also. But the criterion for inclusion in the Jewish canon was date, not content. The deuterocanonical books, though an integral part of the LXX, were not considered ancient enough to be included when the Jewish canon was finally closed in about AD90. That disqulaified them from liturgical use, though they could certainly be read as literature, and the stories of Judith and Holofernes, and of the Maccabees, are as familiar to all Jews today as they were in the time of Christ.
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JoeyWarren
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There were a lot of them. Here are some of Versions that had to be burned or did away with.
The Blasphemous Comma Several editions: Part of Luke 23 reads “And there were also two other malefactors. [crucified with Jesus]” It should have read “And there were also two other, malefactors.”
“Judas Bible” 1611: This Bible has Judas, not Jesus, saying “Sit ye here while I go yonder and pray.” (Matthew 26:36)
“Wicked Bible”, “Adulterous Bible” or “Sinner’s Bible” 1631: Barker and Lucas: Omits an important “not” from Exodus 20:14, making the seventh commandment read “Thou shalt commit adultery.” The printers were fined £300 (a lifetime’s wages) and most of the copies were recalled immediately. Only 11 copies are known to exist today.
“More Sea Bible” 1641 “…the first heaven and the first earth were passed away and there was more sea.” rather than “…the first heaven and the first earth were passed away and there was no more sea.” (Revelation 21:1)
“Unrighteous Bible” or “Wicked Bible” 1653: Cambridge Press: Another edition carrying this title omits a “not” before the word “inherit”, making I Corinthians 6:9 read “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of God?..” In addition, Romans 6:13 reads “Neither yield ye your members as instruments of righteousness into sin…” where it should read “unrighteousness”. Also, in Exodus 20:14 it omits a “not” in the seventh commandment so it says, “thou shalt commit adultery.”
“Printers Bible” bef. 1702: Psalm 119:161 reads “Printers have persecuted me without cause.” The first word was changed, possibly by a disgruntled typesetter, from “Princes”.
“Sin On Bible”: 1716: John 8:11 reads “Go and sin on more” rather than “Go and sin no more”.
“Vinegar Bible”: 1717: J. Baskett, Clarendon Press: The chapter heading for Luke 20 reads “The Parable of the Vinegar” instead of “The Parable of the Vineyard.” One reviewer called this particular edition “a Baskett full of errors,” what with its being replete with numerous other specimens of typographical errata throughout.
“The Fools Bible”: 1763: Psalm 14:1 reads “the fool hath said in his heart there is a God”, rather than “…there is no God”. The printers were fined three thousand pounds and all copies ordered destroyed.
“Denial Bible”: 1792: The name Philip is substituted for Peter as the apostle who would deny Jesus in Luke 22:34.
“Murderer’s Bible” 1801: “Murmurers” is printed as “murderers”, making Jude 16 read: “These are murderers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.”
“Lions Bible” 1804: 1 Kings 8:19 reads “thy son that shall come forth out of thy lions”, rather than “loins”. This edition had another error in Numbers 25:18 which read: “The murderer shall surely be put together” rather than “…put to death”.
“To-remain Bible” 1805: In Galatians 4:29 a proof-reader had written in “to remain” in the margin, as an answer to whether a comma should be deleted. The note inadvertently became part of the text, making the edition read “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit to remain, even so it is now.”
“Discharge Bible” 1806: “Discharge” replaces “charge” making I Timothy 5:21 read “I discharge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.”
“Standing Fishes Bible” 1806: “Fishes” replaced “fishers” making Ezekiel 47:10 read “And it shall come to pass, that the fishes shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.”
“Idle Shepherd” 1809: Zechariah 11:17 reads “the idle shepherd” rather than “idol shepherd”.
“Ears To Ear Bible” 1810: Edition which makes Matthew 13:43 read: “…Who has ears to ear, let him hear.” The correct phrase should be “ears to hear”.
“Wife-hater Bible” 1810: “Wife” replaces “life” in this edition, making Luke 14:26 redundantly read “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own wife also, he cannot be my disciple.”
“The Large Family Bible” 1820: Isaiah 66:9 reads: “Shall I bring to birth and not cease to bring forth?” rather than “Shall I bring to birth and not cause to bring forth?”.
“Rebecca’s Camels Bible” 1823: “Camels” replaces “damsels” in one instance, making Genesis 24:61 read “And Rebecca arose, and her camels, and they rode upon the camels, and followed the man: and the servant took Rebecca and went his way.”
“Owl Bible” 1944: “Owl” replaces “own”, making 1 Peter 3:5 read, “For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their owl husbands.” The error was caused by a printing plate with a damaged letter n.
The Blasphemous Comma Several editions: Part of Luke 23 reads “And there were also two other malefactors. [crucified with Jesus]” It should have read “And there were also two other, malefactors.”
“Judas Bible” 1611: This Bible has Judas, not Jesus, saying “Sit ye here while I go yonder and pray.” (Matthew 26:36)
“Wicked Bible”, “Adulterous Bible” or “Sinner’s Bible” 1631: Barker and Lucas: Omits an important “not” from Exodus 20:14, making the seventh commandment read “Thou shalt commit adultery.” The printers were fined £300 (a lifetime’s wages) and most of the copies were recalled immediately. Only 11 copies are known to exist today.
“More Sea Bible” 1641 “…the first heaven and the first earth were passed away and there was more sea.” rather than “…the first heaven and the first earth were passed away and there was no more sea.” (Revelation 21:1)
“Unrighteous Bible” or “Wicked Bible” 1653: Cambridge Press: Another edition carrying this title omits a “not” before the word “inherit”, making I Corinthians 6:9 read “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of God?..” In addition, Romans 6:13 reads “Neither yield ye your members as instruments of righteousness into sin…” where it should read “unrighteousness”. Also, in Exodus 20:14 it omits a “not” in the seventh commandment so it says, “thou shalt commit adultery.”
“Printers Bible” bef. 1702: Psalm 119:161 reads “Printers have persecuted me without cause.” The first word was changed, possibly by a disgruntled typesetter, from “Princes”.
“Sin On Bible”: 1716: John 8:11 reads “Go and sin on more” rather than “Go and sin no more”.
“Vinegar Bible”: 1717: J. Baskett, Clarendon Press: The chapter heading for Luke 20 reads “The Parable of the Vinegar” instead of “The Parable of the Vineyard.” One reviewer called this particular edition “a Baskett full of errors,” what with its being replete with numerous other specimens of typographical errata throughout.
“The Fools Bible”: 1763: Psalm 14:1 reads “the fool hath said in his heart there is a God”, rather than “…there is no God”. The printers were fined three thousand pounds and all copies ordered destroyed.
“Denial Bible”: 1792: The name Philip is substituted for Peter as the apostle who would deny Jesus in Luke 22:34.
“Murderer’s Bible” 1801: “Murmurers” is printed as “murderers”, making Jude 16 read: “These are murderers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.”
“Lions Bible” 1804: 1 Kings 8:19 reads “thy son that shall come forth out of thy lions”, rather than “loins”. This edition had another error in Numbers 25:18 which read: “The murderer shall surely be put together” rather than “…put to death”.
“To-remain Bible” 1805: In Galatians 4:29 a proof-reader had written in “to remain” in the margin, as an answer to whether a comma should be deleted. The note inadvertently became part of the text, making the edition read “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit to remain, even so it is now.”
“Discharge Bible” 1806: “Discharge” replaces “charge” making I Timothy 5:21 read “I discharge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.”
“Standing Fishes Bible” 1806: “Fishes” replaced “fishers” making Ezekiel 47:10 read “And it shall come to pass, that the fishes shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.”
“Idle Shepherd” 1809: Zechariah 11:17 reads “the idle shepherd” rather than “idol shepherd”.
“Ears To Ear Bible” 1810: Edition which makes Matthew 13:43 read: “…Who has ears to ear, let him hear.” The correct phrase should be “ears to hear”.
“Wife-hater Bible” 1810: “Wife” replaces “life” in this edition, making Luke 14:26 redundantly read “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own wife also, he cannot be my disciple.”
“The Large Family Bible” 1820: Isaiah 66:9 reads: “Shall I bring to birth and not cease to bring forth?” rather than “Shall I bring to birth and not cause to bring forth?”.
“Rebecca’s Camels Bible” 1823: “Camels” replaces “damsels” in one instance, making Genesis 24:61 read “And Rebecca arose, and her camels, and they rode upon the camels, and followed the man: and the servant took Rebecca and went his way.”
“Owl Bible” 1944: “Owl” replaces “own”, making 1 Peter 3:5 read, “For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their owl husbands.” The error was caused by a printing plate with a damaged letter n.
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bpbasilphx
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While probably the most common recension of the KJV is the English revision of 1769, the American Bible Society did a version that included the Apocrypha normaliced according to American spellings.
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JoeyWarren
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In 1816 the ABS was established. In 1829 the ABS removed said books.While probably the most common recension of the KJV is the English revision of 1769, the American Bible Society did a version that included the Apocrypha normaliced according to American spellings.
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