How many women here wear a headcovering to Novus Ordo Mass?

[ac_claire]

I often wonder, if the people who wear a veil to Mass, would wear that veil to a Mass where only they were present.

Hi hasikelee,

If I may be so bold as to speak for all (most?) of the headcovering women on this thread…the answer to your question is yes. Covering our heads is not about what other people think. It’s about humility and reverence before God, period.

I’ve recently been thinking of covering my head at home when I pray as well. And at the moment I do live alone, so…lol. I’ve tried it a few times at home and it does feel right for me.

 

[Chiltepin]

Hi hasikelee,

If I may be so bold as to speak for all (most?) of the headcovering women on this thread…the answer to your question is yes. Covering our heads is not about what other people think. It’s about humility and reverence before God, period.

I’ve recently been thinking of covering my head at home when I pray as well. And at the moment I do live alone, so…lol. I’ve tried it a few times at home and it does feel right for me.

I’m ok with you speaking for me!

I do not wear it at home when I pray. For me it is strictly in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament, in Mass, Adoration, or wherever there is a Tabernacle. KathleenElsie, I had never considered it as a sign to others in your house that you are praying. I imagine that could be pretty useful to someone who has children. I think I’ll stick to just wearing mine in the His presence, but it does make me want to come up with some kind of sign like that for when I have a family of my own.

 

[brigid12]

I’m ok with you speaking for me!

I do not wear it at home when I pray. For me it is strictly in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament, in Mass, Adoration, or wherever there is a Tabernacle. KathleenElsie, I had never considered it as a sign to others in your house that you are praying. I imagine that could be pretty useful to someone who has children. I think I’ll stick to just wearing mine in the His presence, but it does make me want to come up with some kind of sign like that for when I have a family of my own.

That’s the amount of covering I’ve discerned in my prayer. I also live alone, so don’t need to worry about being interrupted in prayer (my grandkids, when they are with me, are of the age that my explanation to them of what I’m doing is helpful to their own evangelization).

 

[KathleenElsie]

I often wonder, if the people who wear a veil to Mass, would wear that veil to a Mass where only they were present.

There have been times when I was the only one at a weekday Liturgy or Mass and yes I still cover. Why? Well I don’t cover so others see me. I cover for God out of respect.

 

[graceandglory]

I hear a lot about how wearing a manilla is a sign of respect and humility. But for people like me, it would be a temptation towards pride and personal arrogance.
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I often wonder, if the people who wear a veil to Mass, would wear that veil to a Mass where only they were present**.

**I would be MORE likely to wear a veil if no one else saw me. **

Right now it’s my Lenten devotion to wear my veil to Mass. When I arrived yesterday morning to Mass, I saw a friend who I really didn’t want to see me wearing a veil. I was embarrassed, because I felt she might judge me for being super pious, which I’m not. I sat in the far back and still didn’t put it on. Then I was convicted by the time of the Confetior, and put it on.

I am more afraid of being judged than anything. In fact, it’s people’s criticism that makes me afraid to wear it year round, and that’s why I’ve cut back to just Lent. To bad we can’t just*** live and let live*** on something that is currently “up in the air” and up to the individual.

 

[Chiltepin]

**I would be MORE likely to wear a veil if no one else saw me. **

Right now it’s my Lenten devotion to wear my veil to Mass. When I arrived yesterday morning to Mass, I saw a friend who I really didn’t want to see me wearing a veil. I was embarrassed, because I felt she might judge me for being super pious, which I’m not. I sat in the far back and still didn’t put it on. Then I was convicted by the time of the Confetior, and put it on.

I am more afraid of being judged than anything. In fact, it’s people’s criticism that makes me afraid to wear it year round, and that’s why I’ve cut back to just Lent. To bad we can’t just*** live and let live*** on something that is currently “up in the air” and up to the individual.

Have courage! Don’t worry about what the others think about you or being embarrassed. Maybe some of them should be embarrassed that they are wearing blue jeans, t-shirts, and flip flops to Sunday Mass, and yet so many are not (at least at my parish )

I have read a few of these veiling threads and one thing that some guy actually admitted in another thread is that he thinks mantillas look “holier than thou” but simple head scarves do not. That is so ridiculous, a head covering is a head covering, but if you are really worried about some of that judging, use a more plain type of head covering. I’m glad he admitted that because it seems it could be useful information to someone who is a little bit scared.

As for people seeing you, watch some of those baseball movies where the pitcher totally blocks everyone out to be in that moment. That seems like a handy skill. Do that during Mass, block everyone out. They are not the reason you are there. I’m not saying don’t socialize afterward. You can do that outside, where you are free to take off your head covering. I put mine on as I enter the door and take it off as I exit. I want it to be something that is reserved for sacred space, not parking lots or my car on the way to Mass.

 

[Auntie_M]

Frankly I never bothered to count. To each her own. I am usually too busy adoring the Lord and participating in Mass to be a reverence patrol officer.

I’m so proud that there are some who have only our Lord on their minds. (Do we really need reverence patrol officer ? What a cute way to descibe it, I’ll have to remember that one.)

 

[KathleenElsie]

Two things I would like to ask?

1. If you feel called wear a head covering and/or modest clothing and don’t do so because of what others think, do you also stop praying in public because of what other might say or think? Remember that part in the Bible where Jesus was denied three times in public? Do you think it could have been in fear of what others would think of the person that denied him?
2. Would those that we feel we would offend with our clothing or head coverings not do something because of what we might think of them?

I remind my grandchildren now (was my children years ago) of this kind of situation. It could be about TV shows, games, parties and other fun stuff. When they are older it could be about pre-marital sex, drinking, drugs or any other value. Or it could be as simple as being reminded by God that he should be first in their lives. If God is placing on your heart to do something or not to do something and you do what you want instead because of what human beings think, Who is more important to you God or Man?

 

[adelore]

Athough I’m the only one who wears a headcovering in my church all the time, (although another lady did last Sunday) I would also like to add that I’m the only one who wears a dress to Mass at my church. Does this bother me? Nope not in the least. Does it bother the other women in my church? Doesn’t seem to no one has said. In the cold of winter, I wear cable knit stockings, (the panty hose type) My legs stay warm.

Do I wear dresses all the time? Always to Mass. At home it can be a hit and miss, mostly a hit that I wear dresses.

 

[DavidPalm]

For your consideration, here’s a good source in the “it’s still a binding tradition” camp. Written by a canon lawyer, well documented and reasoned:

The Truth Unveiled: Head Coverings Still Binding

and an interesting follow-up:

Patrick Madrid Weighs in on Veiling

 

[DJgang]

Two things I would like to ask?

1. If you feel called wear a head covering and/or modest clothing and don’t do so because of what others think, do you also stop praying in public because of what other might say or think? Remember that part in the Bible where Jesus was denied three times in public? Do you think it could have been in fear of what others would think of the person that denied him?
2. Would those that we feel we would offend with our clothing or head coverings not do something because of what we might think of them?

Thanks lady … I needed that! Something that definitely will be discussed with our Lord tonight! :byzsoc:

 

[slyboots]

I do. And other than my daughter and grand daughter we are pretty much all who do at least at 9:00am Sunday mass.

It matters to God and me that I wear it. It is not my business if it is not an issue between God and someone else.

That said, I love to be in a group of women who do cover. I know it shouldn’t matter to me. I have to work on that I guess.

 

[Monica37]

This is a great question. I go to an EF now, but may have to attend OF in the very near future. I veil because I believe it shows humility before God. I feel uncomfortable and somehow disrespecting Him if I do not. However, I too have that uncomfortable feeling that people will judge me for wearing it to an OF. I do not like to get into disagreements about this sort of thing and usually try to avoid those kinds of things. In the past I have given in and not veiled, but I feel wrong doing this (also not recieving on my knees makes me feel bad). I understand that these are MY feelings and that not everyone feels that way and that’s OK with me.

How would those who do not veil at the OF see someone like me who would not only be new to the parish, but who would veil? I would not attempt to receive on my knees unless the priest had given the ok for that so as not to be disruptive.

Thanks for your opinions

 

[jaygo]

It was this past summer, as I was consuming everything Catholic I could to better understand everything. I came across a document about headcovering. About how it began and stopped and everything. It made me start thinking about it and wondering if its really what God wanted women to do. So, I began to pray to God about it, every day during my daily prayers, to ask him if I, personally, should wear one to mass. Along the way I found the verse in Corinthians about headcovering and talked to my mom about it. Her interperation of the verse was that women should have longer hair then men because it is their covering and protection. I came to think that either interpreatation could be correct. But, personally, I felt a heaviness on my heart about it. During the rosary one day I heard my answer, in the way only God talks to me. Which I wish could be put into words. So, I began to wear a scarf over my head during private prayer and during mass. I later bought a mantilla. Once, I even refused to sit in the church during mass because I had forgot my mantilla. I know that may sound incredibly stupid to many, but the voice of God in my head made it impossible to stay where I was. I sat in the little glass room in the back and experianced one of the best masses I have attended as of yet. I had a wonderful sense that I had obeyed God and He was pleased with me listening to Him.

I understand most women who are not wearers of a veil may believe my story as simply me wanting to and believing God told me too wear one. Being raised Baptist, I’d never heard of covering my head before. I know in my heart its what God wants of me, and I don’t worry about whether he wants everyone else to do it too. For me, its obeying a command God has given to me. I will not question or refuse to do it just because some people think differently about it. I find, when I wear a covering, I am get more from mass and am able to pay attention better than without.

Its my personal revelation, and I don’t expect all women to seek out the answer like I have. Or, to all get the same answer as I did when they do seek it out. I like to think that God knows we are all individuals. So, depending upon that is how He determines what answers He gives to us. There are different ways to obey and worship God. Different ways to show our obediance and belief. I’m a quiet person, not one to jump around telling everyone. Sometimes, I can even feel too shy to tell God himself. I prefer to merely let him see my heart rather than constantly tell him about it. For me, its my quiet way of telling Him, and showing Him, of my love and obediance for Him. Other people have different ways of showing Him.

I’m sorry for those who think wearing a veil is somehow to show off or something(as I have met people who think that). I feel sorry that they think the veil has anything to do with them. If there’s anything I hate, its being the center of attention. I’d much rather blend in. But if obeying God means I will not, and may even be persecuted by my own fellow brothers and sisters, I’ll do what I have too.

Sorry for the long rambling, this issue is just very close to my heart and I want people to understand the real reasons why people may do it. Thanks for asking Sorry its not anything super amazing.

Thank you for sharing your story with us. My own story is similar. And I definitely feel the same about being the ‘center of attention’. I would much rather blend in, but having learned what the veil represents and that the Church never officially said, ‘hey, don’t wear em anymore gals…’ i pray to stay loyal to the wearing, unless ordered elsewise.

 

[Francis_LeSage]

When I can not make it to a Tridentine (Dislike the term Traditional) Mass I go to St. Patricks in Fallon, Nevada. The priest there allows questions to be written to him.
I noticed that not one of the parishioners that were woman were covered. I wrote to him stating that scripture says a man must uncover his head when entering the house of the Lord and a woman must cover her head or go in bald.
I asked that if the scriptures are to be taken liberally why then can I not were my cowboy hat to Mass? It was never read. Is there no equality in gender??

 

[turtleoompa]

I wear knitted barrets. Like the kind you can get at any store ie. Macys, forever 21, Target. I have them in all colors.It actually looks cute.Definately covers the head like a chapel cap. They cover my head and it does not stand out too much. I feel very comfortable with it on and always wear one while I am in Church.

 

[Heliotropium]

Hello Everyone!

About two years ago I began to wear a veil/mantilla to liturgy ( I am of the Byzantine Rite, so our liturgy is that of St. John Chrysostom). I began to do this when I ran across an article on the net about how the wearing of head coverings in church was , first of all called for by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians,and is included and never directly removed from, Canon law. Secondly, it was upheld by every Christian woman, including Our Lady, for centuries until the feminist movement of the 1960’s. Lastly, I began to understand the wearing of the veil as a sign of the sacredness of our feminine vocation. Holy things are veiled. For example, the Holy of Holies, the tabernacle. Why? It is because something mystical happens there. Something mystical happens within a woman when she concieves another human within her, and, with God’s grace, she assists Him in delivering a man into the world. We women have an awsome mission. In no way is this veil a negative thing! It shows my cooperation with the Almighty and I am happy to wear it.

Since I began to wear the veil,(remember that at that time only about 3 of 200 parishioners did so, and they were grandmothers) many other women decided to do so as well, and now about 15 out of that same 200 do so. About 12 of these are under 40 years old, including my daughters who are 12, 4, and 4(twins). I attended a conference for Byzantine families last summer and was thrilled and surprised to find many other young families who adopted the practice as well!

By the way, I sewed combs into the front of the veils so that they would stay on our heads. The twins also have veils with a barrette sewn onto the front, so that they are no more “uncomfortable” than if they were wearing a bow.

Thanks for letting me share!
God Bless!

Veronika

Thank you for sharing this Veronika. Saint Paul in 1 Cor 11 adresses the use of headdresses for women while at Church. If there are any women not doing so weather they be at the NO or the TLM then they are not following the word of God and the instruction of one of the 12 Apostles! If there are women who are not wearing them because they feel weird being the only one, then stop caring about what the world thinks and offer your sufferings up to God who is the very reason for why your wearing the headdress! Also please show me one saint that became one without suffering for God. If you feel that not wearing a headdress is no big deal even though St. Paul says to not wear it is to discrace yourslef then I would think again. I’m not here to condmen anyone but more stress that women need to follow this rule! When I see women not wearing them I do not judge them because I don’t know why they are not wearing one…maybe it is because they don’t know any better. Yet if Saint Paul in the Bible told me that I would have to wear a bunny costume then I would because it is not my right to pick and choose what I like and don’t like as far as Gods Word, or doctrine is concerned.

God bless

 

[paulagonow]

Most of the women in my parish wear a headcover. Most wear a mantilla; some wear hats. All seem very happy to wear them. My parish has the Tridentine Mass.

When I see someone who isn’t wearing a headcover, I smile and welcome the thought that we may have a new parisioner who is trying out our church. I have seen some come in for a few Sundays without it and then start showing up wearing one. Then I know we have someone who has found their way home just as I did last November.

I myself have tried various styles of mantilla, short and longer, and hats. During Lent I wore a black mantilla. During the Easter season, I changed to an ivory one. Now and again I change it up and wear a hat. Even if it weren’t something that is expected at a Latin Mass, I would welcome the chance to wear one anyway. I just like them. :harp:

 

[Auntie_M]

Most of the women in my parish wear a headcover. Most wear a mantilla; some wear hats. All seem very happy to wear them. My parish has the Tridentine Mass.

When I see someone who isn’t wearing a headcover, I smile and welcome the thought that we may have a new parisioner who is trying out our church. I have seen some come in for a few Sundays without it and then start showing up wearing one. Then I know we have someone who has found their way home just as I did last November.

I myself have tried various styles of mantilla, short and longer, and hats. During Lent I wore a black mantilla. During the Easter season, I changed to an ivory one. Now and again I change it up and wear a hat. Even if it weren’t something that is expected at a Latin Mass, I would welcome the chance to wear one anyway. I just like them. :harp:

Do you honestly believe that “wearing a veil” is “finding your way home”?

St Paul, I Corinthians, chapter 11. refers to the discussion of wearing a veil.

St Paul says that “nature teaches us that if a man wears his hair long, it is a disgrace” ( is he saying Christ was a disgrace?) and that a "woman’s hair is given her for a covering. He said that if a woman prays “unveiled” brings shame upon her head, (he refers a man as her head, just as the head of a man is Christ) But goes on to say that her hair is her glory and it is given her for a “covering” ( ex. veil.)

Wasn’t the veils in the Holy of Holies torn apart at the resurrection???

Something to think about…

Does this mean that she shouldn’t wear a veil or that she should. The CCC is not clear on this (or I couldn’t find reference on it)

I take this as saying that the woman’s hair is her “covering/veil”…a veil is only an outward sign. (It’s really what’s on the inside that counts)

You say you?

 

[Heliotropium]

Do you honestly believe that “wearing a veil” is “finding your way home”?

St Paul, I Corinthians, chapter 11. refers to the discussion of wearing a veil.

St Paul says that “nature teaches us that if a man wears his hair long, it is a disgrace” ( is he saying Christ was a disgrace?) and that a "woman’s hair is given her for a covering. He said that if a woman prays “unveiled” brings shame upon her head, (he refers a man as her head, just as the head of a man is Christ) But goes on to say that her hair is her glory and it is given her for a “covering” ( ex. veil.)

Wasn’t the veils in the Holy of Holies torn apart at the resurrection???

Something to think about…

Does this mean that she shouldn’t wear a veil or that she should. The CCC is not clear on this (or I couldn’t find reference on it)

I take this as saying that the woman’s hair is her “covering/veil”…a veil is only an outward sign. (It’s really what’s on the inside that counts)

You say you?

No offence Auntie but I believe you are taking Paul and myself out of context. Pauls goal in 1 corinth 11 is to bring conformity back to the churchs. He is writting this letter because while it is manditory for head coverings within the Church the women however in Corinth are not following this because in Greek society women would normally worship without a head covering. He goes on to show that the head cover is a signe of the womens relationship to the Church and to man. He does the same for man. Men, dominate show Christs active role in relation to his Church while women, submissive show the passive role of the church with respect to its savior.

In verse six Pauls says women shoudl wear a veil or have their head shaved. Yet however if the women finds this shamful to have her hair cut off or shaved off then she is to wear a veil. The reason for why it would be shameful is because women with cropped or cut hair was a style only worn by lesbians, or prostitutes. Basically Paul is saying wear the head cover, or if you dont want to wear the head cover shave your head. yet if you dont want to be bald or looked at by others to be a lesbian or a prostitute then wear the head cover.

Also in relation to the length of Christ hair you are putting a modern view on what is an acceptable length for men to wear their hair. In that time period Christs hair was normal length for males and not considered long like a womens. Womens acceptable hair length was past their shoulders or down to their hips. If a women had hair as short as Christs she would be looked at as either being a prostitue or a lesbian. Any man wearing his hair past his sholders or down to his hips would most likely be looked at as one who suffers from gender confusion.

I was stressing the importance of obedience when following the written Word, and the Tradition of the Church. If I wanted to pick and choose certain parts and follow those only then I wouldn’t be Catholic, or following God. I would be following myslef and a God made in my image. Not the best thing to do
If I were a women I would wear the head covering since it is an act of humility and a singe of submission to your Savior.