How many years...TLM

[hudson]

How many years was the TLM used before the 60s/70s? Was the mass always said in Latin before the TLM?

 

[AJV]

How many years was the TLM used before the 60s/70s? Was the mass always said in Latin before the TLM?

The first edition of the missal was in 1570. This was followed by changes of varying magnitudes but no highly substantive change until 1951, with the new Paschal Vigill, and 1956 with the new Holy Week. But the 1570 missal itself reflected earlier usages of another 300-400 years of the Roman Curia, and had many similarities with other mediaeval missals.

 

[AJV]

How many years was the TLM used before the 60s/70s? Was the mass always said in Latin before the TLM?

The Mass was largely almost everyone in Latin. There were a couple of notable exceptions. One of the biggest permissions, and the oldest was the permission for the entire liturgy in Glagolithic around the Adriatic and Dlamatia. Other permissions (of which more were given as the twentieth century approached) were not so vast. Usually they were restricted to the reading of the Epistle and Gospel in the vernacular - sometimes, especially in mission areas, it extended to hymns or common chants.

 

[AJV]

How many years was the TLM used before the 60s/70s? Was the mass always said in Latin before the TLM?

The Mass was largely almost everyone in Latin. There were a couple of notable exceptions. One of the biggest permissions, and the oldest was the permission for the entire liturgy in Glagolithic around the Adriatic and Dalmatia. Other permissions (of which more were given as the twentieth century approached) were not so vast. The Chinese received one for the translation of the entire liturgy into classical Chinese but it was never acted on. Usually permissions were restricted to the reading of the Epistle and Gospel in the vernacular - sometimes, especially in mission areas, it extended to hymns or common chants.

In some areas, the principal Sunday Mass was an occasion for the use of vernacular prayers, especially after the sermon or the Offertory. This was common in France and Germany, and (possibly as a result of French influence) in England until the restoration of the English hierarchy. Also, many missionaries officially, or unofficially, tolerated customs of vernacular singing at Mass. For example in Germany, from the late 18th century onwards, there began what would be known as the “Deutsches Hochamt” where people sang parts of the High Mass in German translations or paraphrase - another simpler form was the BetSingMesse which had vernacular hymnody.

 

[Kielbasi]

How many years was the TLM used before the 60s/70s? Was the mass always said in Latin before the TLM?

Latin mass was around for many centuries, of course there were major revisions, simplification and consolidation of the rites after the Council of Trent in the late 16th Century, and back in the 7th Century, there were a large number of changes under Pope Gregory I whose is remembered in the term “gregorian chant”. (Gregorian calendar refers to a different Pope Gregory).

The mass was already in Latin by the time of Gregory and was well established for a considerable time before that.

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

It depends on what you mean by the “TLM”. The Roman Rite has been around since the Apostles. It has been soundly asserted even by Pope St. Innocent I in the 5th c. that it is part of Apostolic Tradition and that St. Peter wrote part of the Roman Canon. It was more formalized and standardized following the Council of Trent, for which reason it has sometimes been called the “Tridentine Mass”.
Fr. Joseph Gelineau:

To tell the truth it is a different liturgy of the Mass. This needs to be said without ambiguity: the Roman Rite as we knew it no longer exists. It has been destroyed.

Sorry Bugnini and Co., the Roman Rite is here to say.

 

[laszlo]

To tell the truth it is a different liturgy of the Mass.

Would you so kind to explain the differences point by point. The Mass is defined by the Missal. Here is my comparison:

divinumofficium.com/www/missa/CompPrayers.html

Psalm 42 is missing, the Last Gospel is missing, the offertory rite and the communion conclusion is changed. There is more than one Canon.

These differences are less than the differences between the other Western rites.

The truth is always in the details.