How might I find Eastern Rite churches in my diocese?

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Hi folks!

I know there are three Eastern Rite churches in the Diocese of St. Louis. I also know that on my ‘side of the river’ (Illinois, Diocese of Springfield) there were a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries–we actually have a number of Orthodox churches of various nationalites 'round about the metro-East are of St. Louis. I’m not aware of any Eastern Rite churches in my area, at least not within the Diocese of Springfield IL. Nothing shows up on the Diocesan website mentioning such, either. So how might I find out if there are any Eastern Rite churches over here?

Thanks!
 
flameburns623 said:
Hi folks!

I know there are three Eastern Rite churches in the Diocese of St. Louis. I also know that on my ‘side of the river’ (Illinois, Diocese of Springfield) there were a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries–we actually have a number of Orthodox churches of various nationalites 'round about the metro-East are of St. Louis. I’m not aware of any Eastern Rite churches in my area, at least not within the Diocese of Springfield IL. Nothing shows up on the Diocesan website mentioning such, either. So how might I find out if there are any Eastern Rite churches over here?

Thanks!
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So you are looking for those ***Eastern and Oriental Particular Churches in Union w/Rome ***in your Latin Diocese?

Ung
 
Deacon_Lance said:
Ruthenian:
parma.org/Parishes_Ill_HomerGlen.asp

Ukrainian:
stnicholaseparchy.org/parishdirectory/illinois.htm

Maronite:
usamaronite.org/directory/results.cfm

Chaldean:
parishesonline.com/scripts/HostedSites/Org.asp?ID=21051

Syro Malabar:
stthomasdiocese.org/diocese/parishes.htm
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Thanks! Only turned out to be ONE, but I already know about a couple on the Missouri side of the Mississippi.
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Ungcsertez:
So you are looking for those ***Eastern and Oriental Particular Churches in Union w/Rome ***in your Latin Diocese?

Ung
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The Wiki article on the Diocese of St. Louis has links to several Eastern Rite churches in St. Louis. On the equivalent Springfield IL diocese article no such links are available. But a lot of the Easter Europeans who came to this general area actually live on the Illinois side of the river–which is why we have so many Eastern Orthodox churches here. I was wondering why there aren’t more Eastern Rite churches over here as well, or if they were here and I just wasn’t aware of them. I must confess to being curious about the Eastern Rites and wanting to at least ‘sample’ a couple of services.

In case anyone is confused: I live in Illinois but my area is considered part of the suburban St. Louis area. I’m only about 15 minutes from St. Louis as the crow flies, though actually getting to metropolitan areas of the City are closer to 30 minutes’ away. Depends on exactly where one is going in St. Louis. St. Raymond’s Maronite Church in St. Louis is just a tad less than 45 minutes’ drive, f’rinstance. The church in Madison Illinois is probably 20 minutes or so away.
 
Flameburn:

A matter of terminology for you: they are not “in” your diocese. They are in 4 different dioceses with overlapping jurisdiction.

The only Eastern Rite parishes which would be found in Latin Dioceses in the US (as opposed to in the same area as those latin dioceses) would be Russian Greek Catholic Church parishes (and three others that do not have parishes in the US…)
 
You beat me to it, Aramis.

One other thing: as has been frequently pointed out, they are not “Eastern Rite Churches.” They are Eastern Catholic Churches sui juris.
 
Do some of them operate in Latin Diocese Churches? I just did a quick look and double take when the parish closest to me was listed at the address of my current parish 😛
 
CatholicCid said:
Do some of them operate in Latin Diocese Churches? I just did a quick look and double take when the parish closest to me was listed at the address of my current parish 😛
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It sometimes happens that an ECC mission (without its own church) will be hosted by a Roman Rite parish. But such things are normally a temporary arrangement so maybe it’s best to call in advance to be sure of the location.
 
CatholicCid said:
Do some of them operate in Latin Diocese Churches? I just did a quick look and double take when the parish closest to me was listed at the address of my current parish 😛
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There is the colocation of a few, for example, Blessed Theodore Romzha Mission (BTRM henceforth)(Ruthenian) is currently co-located with Sacred Heart (Latin), but uses the old chapel, while the romans use the new. (Wasilla, Alaska).

The Pastor of BTRM is the pastor of St. Nicholas, Rev. Fr. Mike. While Fr. Mike is a Latin Rite priest with biritual faculties, he’s recently been incardinated into Van Nuys, the Byz. Cath. Eparchy (diocese).

The only thing Sacred Heart does is open up the space to BTRM and pay the electric bills. Fr Mike is currently negotiating for the Eparchy of Van Nuys to acquire 5 acres near downtown Wasilla to build a proper chapel upon. (Please pray for our Benefactor, Dominic, who apparently offered to fund the purchase… He’s done a huge lot for the Parish.)
 
bpbasilphx said:
You beat me to it, Aramis.

One other thing: as has been frequently pointed out, they are not “Eastern Rite Churches.” They are Eastern Catholic Churches sui juris.
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Sorry for the terminology faux pas. As I indicated, I am curious and will likely make the effort to visit some of the Eastern Catholic Churches sui juris as I am able, probably starting with the Ukranian one in Madison IL, which is closest. Later I’ll trek over to St. Louis to visit the Maronites and the Byzantines. Is the ‘sui juris’ really needful for polite communication btw? And what exactly does it mean?
 
flameburns623 said:
Sorry for the terminology faux pas. As I indicated, I am curious and will likely make the effort to visit some of the Eastern Catholic Churches sui juris as I am able, probably starting with the Ukranian one in Madison IL, which is closest. Later I’ll trek over to St. Louis to visit the Maronites and the Byzantines. Is the ‘sui juris’ really needful for polite communication btw? And what exactly does it mean?
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Each Church (Ukraninan, Maronite, Syriac, Chaldean, Armenian, Ruthenian, etc) is “sui juris” which really means that each is a self governing part of the Universal Church.

In common parlance we are Eastern Churches. (Add “Catholic” between the two words if you wish.) But each has its own distinct identity (liturgy, traditions, etc) so saying “Eastern Rite” church is somewhat of a misnomer. And, while it is correct, saying sui juris in conversation with other than clergy will get you some strange looks.

Each Church has its own sensibilities, so IMO it might be best to tailor things to the particular situation. E.G., “Ukranian (or Ruthenian, etc) Greek Catholic Church” (to differentiate from the Eastern Orthodox Church of the same name) or “Maronite Church” or “Chaldean Church” or “Syriac (or Armenian, etc) Catholic Church” (to differentiate from the Oriental Orthodox Church of the same name).
 
malphono said:
It sometimes happens that an ECC mission (without its own church) will be hosted by a Roman Rite parish. But such things are normally a temporary arrangement so maybe it’s best to call in advance to be sure of the location.
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Well, I’ve never seen any announcements (and I’m there a lot), plus the ‘pastor’ listed hasn’t been in this area for quite some time, so I think it might be an outdated listing.
 
flameburns623 said:
Hi folks!

I know there are three Eastern Rite churches in the Diocese of St. Louis. I also know that on my ‘side of the river’ (Illinois, Diocese of Springfield) there were a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries–we actually have a number of Orthodox churches of various nationalites 'round about the metro-East are of St. Louis. I’m not aware of any Eastern Rite churches in my area, at least not within the Diocese of Springfield IL. Nothing shows up on the Diocesan website mentioning such, either. So how might I find out if there are any Eastern Rite churches over here?

Thanks!
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State of Illinois romaniancatholic.org/img/up.gifAurora http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/yahoo_maps.gif
map / directions
St. George Church
Pastor: Hieromonk Frederick Peterson, OSB
720 Rural Street
Aurora, IL 60505-2551
Tel.: 630-851-4002
Fax: 630-897-0393
Website: www.byzantines.net/stgeorge/
http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/gol.gif http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/yahoo_maps.gif
map / directions
St. Michael Church
Pastor: Very Rev. Aurel Pater
609 N. Lincoln Ave
Tel.: 630-897-8115
Fax: 630-897-5923
Aurora, IL 60505-2112
romaniancatholic.org/img/up.gifChicago http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/yahoo_maps.gif
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Ss. Peter & Paul Mission
Administrator: Rev. Sergiu Cornea
3107 Fullerton Ave
Chicago, IL 60647
Residence: 1472 Burr Oak Circle
Aurora, IL 60505-1396
Tel.: 630-896-4807
Tel. 630-897-4807
 
KathleenElsie said:
State of Illinois romaniancatholic.org/img/up.gifAurora http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/yahoo_maps.gif
map / directions
St. George Church
Pastor: Hieromonk Frederick Peterson, OSB
720 Rural Street
Aurora, IL 60505-2551
Tel.: 630-851-4002
Fax: 630-897-0393
Website: www.byzantines.net/stgeorge/
http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/gol.gif http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/yahoo_maps.gif
map / directions
St. Michael Church
Pastor: Very Rev. Aurel Pater
609 N. Lincoln Ave
Tel.: 630-897-8115
Fax: 630-897-5923
Aurora, IL 60505-2112
romaniancatholic.org/img/up.gifChicago http://www.romaniancatholic.org/img/yahoo_maps.gif
map / directions
Ss. Peter & Paul Mission
Administrator: Rev. Sergiu Cornea
3107 Fullerton Ave
Chicago, IL 60647
Residence: 1472 Burr Oak Circle
Aurora, IL 60505-1396
Tel.: 630-896-4807
Tel. 630-897-4807
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Thanks but all of those are in Chicago or "Chicagoland. Nowhere near the Diocese of Springfield, IL, and eight hours drive from where I live.
 
Missouri is slimmer pickings:

Ruthenian
St. Louis Mission
services at:
Blessed John XXIII Center
8300 Morganford Rd.
St. Louis, MO 62123-2600
Phone: (314) 633-2600

Ukrainian
St. Mary’s Assumption
11363 Oak Branch Drive
St. Louis, MO
Phone: (314) 487-6982

Maronite
St. Raymonds Cathedral
931 Lebanon Drive
St. Louis, MO 63104
Phone: (314) 621-0056
 
One more terminology faux-pas, and it’s one perpetrated by Rome as well…

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church Sui Iuris, the Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh Sui Iuris, and the Melkite [Greek] [Catholic] Church Sui Iuris, are all Byzantine Catholics…

Byzantine Catholic is a synonym for Greek Catholic, Byzantine Rite Catholic, Greek Rite Catholic, and also for the Melkite formulation “Orthodox in Union with Rome.”

The Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh Sui Iuris is colloquialy known as the Ruthenian Church Sui Iuris…

It’s a land-mine of terminology.

Ruthenian is a synonym for Carpetho-Rusyn, or in Russian and Ukrainian, often pronounced Carpefo-Russyn.
 
Here’s the skinny:

You can go to the Byzantine Mission at the Bl. John XXIII center on Saturday nights to go to a Ruthenian Liturgy.

You can go on Sunday morning to Assumption UGCC in the south of St. Louis. It’s near Lindbergh and I-55. It is mostly in Ukrainian so you might need to brush up on your Ukie!

You can go to St. Raymond’s Cathedral, I am sure you can google it.

I am also assuming that you live in Edwardsville or in Alton so these would be the closest to you.

The next closest Eastern Catholic parish is St. Sharbel’s in Peoria, IL. It will take you about 3 hours to get there.
 
mariyka said:
This site may be of help:

byzcath.org/index.php?option=com_sobi2&Itemid=56
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Many thanks for the link. Seems I’d driven by a Byzantine chuch (St. Nicholas of Myra Byzantine Chapel) dozens of times and never even realized it! My wife and I went there for Divine Liturgy today. It was rather different from a Latin Rite Mass, but I’m very glad that we went.

Plus, there were only ~20 people there, including clergy (it’s a very small building), so they had a luncheon afterwards. 👍

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
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