How Much Babysitting/Daycare is too much?

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I worry about whether the kids should see their mother more though. !
Just curious but why only the mother? I think father’s also play an important role in the upbringing of a child and it is only recently society has started to recognize this.

Also, yes, I think it is excessive. However, not knowing the reason why they parents are always dropping the kids off I feel guilty saying it is escessive since we can not judge. If the parents have a good reason, while not ideal, no kid has a perfect upbrining.
 
The parents during this weekend time run errands, do workouts (long distance running), take naps, get groceries, that sort of thing.
 
The parents during this weekend time run errands, do workouts (long distance running), take naps, get groceries, that sort of thing.
Sounds to me like you need to have a sit down conversation with the parents. 🤷
 
The parents during this weekend time run errands, do workouts (long distance running), take naps, get groceries, that sort of thing.
In that case, I think the parents should take turns watching the kids while the other one does the above listed activities. It is sad when parents look forward to the weekend so they can work out instead of having time with their kids

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The parents during this weekend time run errands, do workouts (long distance running), take naps, get groceries, that sort of thing.
They do long-distance running?? And they have 2 children?? And jobs? Did they make any sacrifices to have kids or have their lives gone on as before? :mad: :dts:

I now have a problem with your scenario. These 2 people come across as 2 parents who are doing their own thing most of the week, and spending the weekends on their own pursuits, sports, hobbies, errands, etc. It may be things they NEED to do and can’t get done during the week, but so what? Their children deserve and NEED their presence, especially on weekends.
 
I wonder what is “excessive” when it comes to having grandparents babysit children? I have two wonderful grandchildren, 2 years old and nine months, and we have them for half of every weekend (Sat morn to Sun morn). The parents don’t have any other family in town. I worry about whether the kids should see their mother more though. We have the kids about 15% of their total weekly awake time, daycare has them 55% of their awake time, which leaves 30% for the parents. Both parents and grandparents work full-tiime. I assume this is the “new normal”? Needless to say it was different when I was a kid. My poor parents had us 24-7!
I 'm sorry… but you are watching a nine month old while the parents are out having fun and recreation? Nine months old and they need to get away?

No, there is something very wrong with this picture. I am sorry to say this, but the parents are very selfish. First because they put their activities before the needs of the children and second because they put their needs before the needs of their own parents.

Time to grow up. This is not an arrangement that is necessary because the parents work on weekends, this is because the parents are selfish, thoughtless grown ups that find the solution to their own wants in dropping the kids off with the grandparents. I don’t know how old you are, but this would never work for me. Wanting to see my grandchildren and having them because it is like a job is two different things. What if grandma and grandpa had a life too?

I would find something to do one weekend and then say that you enjoyed the freedom and that you would not be available every weekend as a sure thing. And then, get out and do something else.
 
I think the definition of “excessive” varies widely. I spent a lot of time with my grandparents because they lived nearby. I think it was mutually beneficial. I had the luxury of a strong relationship with the several family members that raised me. I think the key is to see how the children feel. Do they get the attention they need with the current arrangement? Do they feel secure? Are the parents and grandparents happy? If the answer to any of these questions is no then something needs to change.

A lot of cultures raise children in more group-like situations where children develop relationships with a whole group of extended family and neighbors. This can be similar to daycare in the US. Some kids thrive in those environments, some do not. It’s all about determining what is best for that particular child.
 
The parents during this weekend time run errands, do workouts (long distance running), take naps, get groceries, that sort of thing.
Put yourself back to when you were a parent, rather than a grandparent…would you have done this every weekend? If you had, what would you have lost? Times may have changed in terms of what children are willing to ask of their parents, but human nature has not.

You might decide to talk to your child and say, "I could have left you alone with Grandma more than I did, and Grandma might have loved to have had you. I can tell you, though, if I had never been there visiting with you, I would have lost out. We would have lost out. It was harder to shop with you, sure, but you learned and we got to spend time together. I might have gotten a nap if I had gone home when I took you to your grandma’s, but by staying I got to spend time with both you and Grandma.

“I can tell you that the time you will get to spend with your children is over too soon, especially the years when they are simply thrilled for any minute you can give them. The less you value those moments, the sooner those times are gone. To be blunt, the time you get to spend with your parents before they’re gone run out before you know it, too, especially the years when your parents can be active with you. That is what I am concerned about! That is why I’m not just leaving this decision up to you and doing what you want anymore. We need to talk about this, so I can decide how much I want to do this any more.”

You might also point out, if you like, that you have earned your place in the time of life when most of your weekend days are your own and when childcare duties are taken on because they are fun, not an obligation. You earned that, taking care of your child when your child was little, putting in a full week yourself, and you’d like to enjoy it while you’re still young enough to do it.

This doesn’t need to be presented in an accusatory way. You can simply say that you have a different opinion about what is best for all involved and, since this is about whether you’re going to pitch free labor into the project, you do have a say. Your child must convince you that a particular granny-care arrangement is a good one, after all, not the other way around!!

A few hours on Saturdays is one thing…you can leave that open, if you like. You might even take the kids on Saturday night and meet the parents after Mass the next day. You can do anything you want, if you’re satisfied it is a good arrangement. That is up to you. A whole day every weekend, though: unless you are fully on board and feel yourself that it is good for everyone involved, that is taking advantage of you. Insisting on an arrangment that you don’t think is in the best interest of all involved is unfairly disenfranchising you. You deserve a vote about whether this is a good idea.

IOW, you have every right to question these parents about whether they aren’t failing to take advantage of so much of their limited opportunity to build a relationship with their children by cherishing opportunities to “waste time” with them. You deserve to put your opinion in on this arrangement, all the way, and the truth is, you are one of the people with a “veto” vote.

PS If you hear the phrase “guilt trip” in your child’s reply, you need to say: “No, I’m giving you a* reality* trip. If looking too closely at reality makes you feel guilty, that is your guilt to deal with, not mine.”

Parenting…it is never really over, is it? 😉
 
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