How much did Mary know

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…at first? Personally, if I were her, when the angel said He will be Son of the Most High, I would assume he meant by adoption since the concept of consubstantiality would be completely foreign to me. Did Mary understand from the first moment of His conception that her Son was God?
 
…at first? Personally, if I were her, when the angel said He will be Son of the Most High, I would assume he meant by adoption since the concept of consubstantiality would be completely foreign to me. Did Mary understand from the first moment of His conception that her Son was God?
Luke 1:31-33
31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and** will be called the Son of the Most High**. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

Yeah, she knew.
 
Yes, she knew all right! If an angel appeared to YOU and made this pronouncement, wouldn’t YOU Know?

She also knew there were serious personal sacrifices and future sorrows (Simeon in the Temple warned her, for instance) and, being without the stain of original sin, she may also have had some communication with God in prayer or sleep or who knows what else that we are not privy to. What I often wonder is: how did she experience the horrific torture of her beloved Son, KNOWING Who He was? She couldn’t have been angry (although there is righteous anger, even Jesus demonstrated it at the Temple with the money changers); she must have been confused because, perhaps like others, she thought the Messiah would be powerful and conquer (but then, with that private communication with God, perhaps she intuited or was instructed this was not so???) How did she FEEL watching all of this: as any mother would. The torment of watching your beloved child suffer for something he/she did not “deserve” (from our limited perspective) is EXQUISITE. Not being able to DO anything (remember: at that time women were little more than chattel) she could DO nothing except stand and watch. She would have to show as much strength and emotional restraint as possible for HIS sake, absolutely. But the interior horror was enormous, the stuff of nightmares and lifelong horror. When He rose, imagine her incalculable joy and perhaps at that point she had been given the “truth” of this and knew He would rise. Or perhaps it came as a total surprise. Do we know? I don’t think so. What we do know is that she followed his every step, she suffered enormously, she remained calm for His sake (she must have done, any good mother would) but He knew the agony in her heart (which increased His own agony because He so loved her). She stood at the foot of that rough honed, sharp with bark, tree trunk and every single thing He suffered she suffered with Him, for us, and now suffers with us when we lose our children.
 
…at first? Personally, if I were her, when the angel said He will be Son of the Most High, I would assume he meant by adoption since the concept of consubstantiality would be completely foreign to me. Did Mary understand from the first moment of His conception that her Son was God?
The angel said to her and to Joseph that the son would be called Jesus (“God saves”) because He would save the people from their sins.

Our Lady exulted in the Magnificat with these words:

*My soul magnifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my savior
*
She knew who her son was.
 
I’ve wondered this myself. Though if Elizabeth knew (she called Mary the mother of MY LORD) It would make sense that Mary would know herself.
 
Mary was a bright young woman. She shows her understanding of the situation when she asks the angel how it will be done. She could not see the future, but knew from the life of the patriarchs and prophets that her life would not be easy. She was also a woman of deep hope. Hope for the messiah. Hope for the future of Israel in a world of successive oppression. She was a woman of fidelity to God as well as a woman of deep faith. Mary was most of all completely human with all that entails without the predisposition to sin. Like us, she knew what God wanted her to know, when He wanted her to know it.
 
What the others have said is correct.

In addition, Mary was without sin, so her intellect was perfectly clear; not darkened by sin. There is no literal statement of this in the Bible, but Mary must have had, because of her perfection, greater comprehension of God and the spiritual than any other great Catholic Doctor of the Church after her. However, as was stated by St. Louis de Montfort, God caused her incredible wisdom and knowledge to be hidden from the world to greater increase her graces and perfection.
 
I don’t disagree that Mary knew, but then how do we reconcile Luke 2:48-50?

“When his parents saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him, ‘Son, why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been looking for you with great anxiety.’ And he said to them, ‘Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?’ But they did not understand what he said to them.” (emphasis mine)
 
Well, even the Lord in His human body was not omniscient…how much less His beloved mother, who was only a creature 🙂

I think it’s safe to say that the Word Incarnate knew all that He needed to know to do the Father’s will, and that Our Lady was humble and simple enough to trust in God even with a very limited knowledge of God’s plan - she must have understood her vocation as well as her son’s mission as the Messiah, but probably she did not know much beyond that and whatever the Lord may have told her in confidence, if anything.
 
I’m sure she did know…
But still, what her son went through, and being a mother? It must have been horrific for her.
There must have been lots of times when she secretly wished that her son would just drop the whole thing and be a regular person.

That’s why she takes the name, Mother of Sorrows.
She knew real suffering.
 
A Church Father (can’t recall his name) wrote she was more than a martyr in having remained alive after a true martyrdom. And I recall a few saints who speak of her being crucified in spirit with her son…
 
I think she knew too.

“And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.” Luke 1:46-48

All generations shall call me blessed,” those words were prophetic.
 
What the others have said is correct.

In addition, Mary was without sin, so her intellect was perfectly clear; not darkened by sin. There is no literal statement of this in the Bible, but Mary must have had, because of her perfection, greater comprehension of God and the spiritual than any other great Catholic Doctor of the Church after her. However, as was stated by St. Louis de Montfort, God caused her incredible wisdom and knowledge to be hidden from the world to greater increase her graces and perfection.
Oh I LIKE this, it puts into words what I think also. 👍
 
This entire thread gives impressive reasoning as to why the pleasantly-melodied but theologically inaccurate song, “Mary Did You Know?” should *never *be performed in Mass or other liturgical activity.

My poor wife’s eyelid starts to twitch uncontrollably whenever she hears the song, followed later by an exclamation of “Of COURSE she knew!” 🙂
 
This entire thread gives impressive reasoning as to why the pleasantly-melodied but theologically inaccurate song, “Mary Did You Know?” should *never *be performed in Mass or other liturgical activity.
Gregorian! Gregorian! :harp:
 
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