How much Money should a Christian have?

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I hope this is helpful. And again, please comment.
It’s interesting nsper7, but I don’t buy it 100%. I believe the point is that the rich man wouldn’t give up everything, because he loved his wealth. That is why Jesus says it is difficult for a rich man to enter heaven. That makes more sense than saying that the reason was because the man was relying on his own works.

One explanation I heard about the camel/eye of a needle statement is that the “eye of a needle” was an enterance to Jerusalem through the outer wall. This particular enterance was low. If you wanted to get a camel through it, he would have to kneel down to do it. In other words, the difficulty of a rich man going to heaven is that he would have to humble himself. Now, that lesson was taught by a “success theology” type of minister, so I don’t know if it is founded in truth. However, it seems like a reasonable translation of Jesus’ statement.

IOW…Don’t be attached to material things. Humble yourself.

I am not anti-wealth, I am just trying to understand how to find the balance everyone is talking about. Obviously, monks go the full “give up everything” route. In fact, The Rule says that monks may own no possessions, unless the Abbot makes an exception (e.g. picture of family). As someone wishing to live Benedictine sprituality, how do I apply that as a married person with kids? In retirement?
 
It rather depends on what money is and what it is for.

I know JRKH seems offended by how much a man spent on a home, but consider how many people had jobs because of spending like that. Consider that it is a very efficient way to stimulate the economy.

Matthew
While somewhat true, that seems like a stretch. Do you really think a wealthy person says, “well I could live simply, but I think it is important to the economy that I buy this 10,000 square foot mansion…and a summer mansion…and a yacht…and a private plane.” 😛

Again, it is not that I am against someone buying all those things, but if they really believe they don’t have an attachment to them, I guess I am a little skeptical. As I said before, the idea won’t likely be tested while they are on earth…maybe in the movies, but rarely in real life.
 
It’s interesting nsper7, but I don’t buy it 100%. I believe the point is that the rich man wouldn’t give up everything, because he loved his wealth. That is why Jesus says it is difficult for a rich man to enter heaven. That makes more sense than saying that the reason was because the man was relying on his own works.
If you read the verses, the man keeps asking Jesus how he can be perfect and what ‘good’ thing he can do to inherit eternal life. That sounds like trying to rely on your own works to me.
Rich Young Ruler:
“Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
Rich Young Ruler said:
“All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

No one else who approaches Jesus on the subject of eternal life (Salvation) asks these questions in this manner. No one else claims to have kept the commandments from their youth.

And note Jesus’ response to the young man, "“If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

The word ‘perfect’ (teleios in the Greek) is never used to describe Salvation. When Jesus discusses ‘eternal life’, the words in greek are ‘aionios zoe’ and when St. Paul talks about being Saved (cf. Romans 10:9), he uses the Greek word ‘sozo’. And notice the reward promised by Jesus, ‘treasure in Heaven’, which would seem to be above and beyond Salvation (which is getting into Heaven/having eternal life).

NOTE: All Greek translations come from Strong’s Concordance.
One explanation I heard about the camel/eye of a needle statement is that the “eye of a needle” was an enterance to Jerusalem through the outer wall. This particular enterance was low. If you wanted to get a camel through it, he would have to kneel down to do it. In other words, the difficulty of a rich man going to heaven is that he would have to humble himself. Now, that lesson was taught by a “success theology” type of minister, so I don’t know if it is founded in truth. However, it seems like a reasonable translation of Jesus’ statement.
I have heard this story before, but my understanding is there is little-to-no historical basis for this idea. Although it is bantered around and adds ‘color commentary’ to the story, there is, as best as I have read, no evidence of such a gate. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
It rather depends on what money is and what it is for.

I know JRKH seems offended by how much a man spent on a home, but consider how many people had jobs because of spending like that. Consider that it is a very efficient way to stimulate the economy.

Matthew
Just to clarify, I am not offended by anyones spending decisions. Bill Gates was brought up and I commented on the house he had built.
I am annoyed by what many people in the US consider to be necessities of life.
Again, I am not trying to judge (although I am guilty of doing just that) but rather just kick around the idea for our own edification. After all, we have a wonderful oportunity to share here with complete anonimity.

Peace
James
 
While somewhat true, that seems like a stretch. Do you really think a wealthy person says, “well I could live simply, but I think it is important to the economy that I buy this 10,000 square foot mansion…and a summer mansion…and a yacht…and a private plane.” 😛

Again, it is not that I am against someone buying all those things, but if they really believe they don’t have an attachment to them, I guess I am a little skeptical. As I said before, the idea won’t likely be tested while they are on earth…maybe in the movies, but rarely in real life.
Very well put!
One thing we are all good at is rationalization. Particularly when it is something we want. We can find all sorts of good reasons for getting it.
All these things really require a prayerful discernment.

Peace
James
 
I hope this is helpful. And again, please comment.
nsper,
That was very interesting. I haven’t had time to really digest the conclusions yet but I like it when people try to place these lessons in the context of the time and place. It really draws out the meanings much better.

I would bring in another lesson that is related while being unrelated.
The “widow’s mite”. There are several things here.
One is doing things for show, but more important is the idea of the proportion and sacrifice of the widow’s gift. The rich man gives from his abundance while the widow gave from her very needs.

What say you to this lesson.

Peace
James
 
Here is my opinion on this topic and I’ve seen others say this. Jesus first answered that following the commandments was sufficient or something like that. Then the rich man continued to question Jesus asking him what else he should do if he wanted to be more than that. It is only then that Jesus responded back with giving everything up and following him, to which the rich man went away sad.

Therefore what I think this means is that for most people, doing their part, the 10% tithe as you put it, as well as being a faithful practicing Catholic is sufficent and then they will hopefully one day be in Heaven. However, there are some who have a higher calling and live in poverty for the sake of Jesus and who are at the service of others and basically truly living for others and only having what is essential. However, that means still having what is essential. This might be the ideal standard to live up to as our material wealth is meaningless in Heaven but it is not required of us.
I agree with this in principle, but I would frame it a different way.
Jesus spoke of His diciples doing only what was required. In Luke 10 we find this:
7 "Which of you, having a slave plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, Come immediately and sit down to eat'? 8 "But will he not say to him, Prepare something for me to eat, and properly clothe yourself and serve me while I eat and drink; and afterward you may eat and drink’? 9 "He does not thank the slave because he did the things which were commanded, does he? 10 "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, `We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.’ "
Jesus always seems to be pushing his diciples to do more. Here with the slave analogy, the widows mite, the rich man’s wealth, the good samaritan, These all point to doing more than the “law requires” of us.

Peace
James
 
Thank you all for the replies so far. It is a fine discussion and I appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut.

Part of my issue I guess is a certain scrupulousness about money. Also the fact of my upbringing.
My Dad had an 8th grade education, and worked his whole life as a blue collar laborer. Mom worked for the parish school as the principal’s secratary for many years at a pittance wage. Yet they raised 5 children, sending them to Catholic School for as long as they could manage to do so. (note I do not say “afford” to do so)
We had an acre of ground on which dad had a large garden and my parents canned or froze everything they could from it. We never had “name brand” clothes, shoes etc. We never took any big vacations anywhere. The most we did was to go to the local amusement park or zoo once a year. Christmas gifts were clothes along with some toys or such, but not a huge amount. My mother could sqeeze a penny 'till Abe’s eyes bulged.
Yet when the Church building program started up, when my dad was out of work, they pledged $5000 to the campaign. They pledged it on faith - And the Lord provided.

Just wanted to share that with you all to give a little perspective on my outlook.

Peace
James
 
nsper,

I would bring in another lesson that is related while being unrelated.
The “widow’s mite”. There are several things here.
One is doing things for show, but more important is the idea of the proportion and sacrifice of the widow’s gift. The rich man gives from his abundance while the widow gave from her very needs.

What say you to this lesson.
Don’t know what others will say about this lesson, but I’ll tell you what the always insightful Archbishop Fulton Sheen says about it:
“the measure of true charity is not what is given, but how much you have left after you have given”.
He hurt me bad with that one.

And certainly, that was how he led his life.

Note that this is not a direct quote - I’m paraphrasing from something I heard not long ago w.r.t. the widow’s mite, attributed to Archbishop Sheen. But I can absolutely hear his voice in my head saying this.
 
Obviously, each person is going to have their own ideas about what they feel they need versus what they want. What gets me (and what I was refuting in the article I copied and pasted) is when people try to connect the issue of personal wealth to Salvation and they use the story of the Rich Young Ruler to back up their works-based Salvation claims. Interestingly though, once you look at the story in context, it seems to be speaking against works-based Salvation. In my personal opinion, it seems what keeps the Rich Young Ruler (and the Pharisees and even many people today) from Salvation is that he felt he could earn it by being good. As Jesus showed, to ‘earn’ Salvation, one must be perfect (cf. in the Sermon on the Mount: “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect”).
I would bring in another lesson that is related while being unrelated.
The “widow’s mite”. There are several things here.
One is doing things for show, but more important is the idea of the proportion and sacrifice of the widow’s gift. The rich man gives from his abundance while the widow gave from her very needs.
He seems to also be addressing human standards versus God’s standards. From the human point-of-view, the person who gives a lot of money (even out of their abundance) is going to be lauded while the person who gives very little (whether because they have very little to give or they just don’t want to give period) is going to be ignored. Notice, in opposition to human thinking, He is lauding the poor widow while ignoring the wealthy donors, but He never actually condemns the donations of the wealthy nor does He question the Salvation/faith/belief of the wealthy in this case either.

Notice, in the early Church, how St. Peter addresses the issue of charity and property to the cheating Ananias and Sapphira:
Acts 5:1-4:
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
Their sin is not that they did not, after selling their possessions, give everything away, it was that they made a promise/vow to God and lied about it. Looking at these verses, it almost seems like a Christian can be as wealthy as they want (as long as they are not violating the law or purposely doing harm to others), but if they make a vow to God, they had better keep it and they had definitely better not try to lie about it or defraud.
 
Don’t know what others will say about this lesson, but I’ll tell you what the always insightful Archbishop Fulton Sheen says about it:
“the measure of true charity is not what is given, but how much you have left after you have given”.
I like that!! It definately makes the point.

Peace
James
 
The question, in response to my earlier comments, is what happens to a person who has great earthly wealth and, for whatever reason, does not ‘share’ it or share enough of it (subjective obviously).

It would seem they would face temporal problems such as other Christians calling them out for their stinginess and supposed greed. Also, they may not have have much treasure, or rewards. in Heaven stored up (cf. Matthew 6:19-20, 1 Corinthians 3:14-15). Jesus discusses treasure in Heaven, not getting into Heaven and St. Paul says they will suffer loss, but they will still be Saved, “but as by fire” (I tend to think of this like the person who is in a burning building and escapes just before the building explodes or collapses or something; they’re ‘saved’ but they lost everything else and they may get a tad singed on the way out and have a nice ‘smoky’ smell).
 
HAHAHA the only reason having too much money is a mortal sin now is because the church doesn’t want to feel as bad about it’s own money problems
 
I’m kinda broke right now… guilt donations can be directed to my PayPal account.
 
HAHAHA the only reason having too much money is a mortal sin now is because the church doesn’t want to feel as bad about it’s own money problems
What in the world are you talking about? We are discussing how much money a Christian have and referencing the words of Jesus from 2000 years ago. There is no change in mortal sin over this issue.
 
Obviously, each person is going to have their own ideas about what they feel they need versus what they want. What gets me (and what I was refuting in the article I copied and pasted) is when people try to connect the issue of personal wealth to Salvation and they use the story of the Rich Young Ruler to back up their works-based Salvation claims.
I guess I missed the “works based salvation” aspect of your article. To be honest I never understood the whole “Works based” concept and it was never taught to me or to anyone I knew.
Salvation comes by grace. Works, which are a fruit, come from the prompting of the Spirit of God within us.
Interestingly though, once you look at the story in context, it seems to be speaking against works-based Salvation. In my personal opinion, it seems what keeps the Rich Young Ruler (and the Pharisees and even many people today) from Salvation is that he felt he could earn it by being good. As Jesus showed, to ‘earn’ Salvation, one must be perfect (cf. in the Sermon on the Mount: “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect”).
I would not disagree with your statement. However it is necessary to remember that Salvation comes via a two edged blade. Faith without works is just as empty as works without faith.
Faith/belief is the vessel. The bucket into which is poured the living waters of Christ. That water must be used, not hoarded. We are tasked by our faith to use that water to refresh the world. To give drink to those thirsting. If we do not, then the living waters of grace will stop and will dry up.
God cannot pour this living water out for us unless we have teh bucket of faith. Otherwise the living waters of grace just flow past us spiling on the ground.
Jesus knows that the rich young man wants to feel justified that by following the Law he has assured his salvation. He is no different than many of us who feel that, so long as we “obey the commandments” attend mass on Sunday and drop an envelope in the basket, we will make it to heaven. Jesus will not let this person, or any person, feel that complacent. There is always something more to be done. What else can be done for the Glory of God and to show my love and thanks for the blessings He has poured out on me.
The rich young man was right in asking Jesus what more he could do. This is what we all must do. Always seek to do more. Jesus knows that at some point, we will all turn away sad because we cannot do what He asks. That is where the Salvic grace comes in.

Just another take on the same parable.
(In the widows mite) He seems to also be addressing human standards versus God’s standards. From the human point-of-view, the person who gives a lot of money (even out of their abundance) is going to be lauded while the person who gives very little (whether because they have very little to give or they just don’t want to give period) is going to be ignored. Notice, in opposition to human thinking, He is lauding the poor widow while ignoring the wealthy donors, but He never actually condemns the donations of the wealthy nor does He question the Salvation/faith/belief of the wealthy in this case either.
No argument here.
I think the other poster who referenced Fulton Sheen said it best. It isn’t how much you give, it’s how much you have left after you give.
Notice, in the early Church, how St. Peter addresses the issue of charity and property to the cheating Ananias and Sapphira:
Their sin is not that they did not, after selling their possessions, give everything away, it was that they made a promise/vow to God and lied about it. Looking at these verses, it almost seems like a Christian can be as wealthy as they want (as long as they are not violating the law or purposely doing harm to others), but if they make a vow to God, they had better keep it and they had definitely better not try to lie about it or defraud.
I would not see this story as a parable on wealth at all. Clearly it deals with honesty, honor and Keeping faith with our God and our Church.

Peace
James
 
I guess I missed the “works based salvation” aspect of your article. To be honest I never understood the whole “Works based” concept and it was never taught to me or to anyone I knew.
Salvation comes by grace. Works, which are a fruit, come from the prompting of the Spirit of God within us.
The Rich Young Ruler seems to seek a works-based Salvation because it is always: What good thing can I do to inherit eternal life? He claimed to have obeyed all the commandments since his youth (impossible, both according to Jesus’ commentary on the Sermon on the Mount, 1 John 1:8 and Romans 3:10) and kept asking what more he could do. Well, if you want to Save yourself, then you must be perfect and ‘good’. Nowhere else does Jesus issue such stringent demands for Salvation because most everyone else figured out that Salvation through personal perfection is impossible.

The man wanted to Save himself through being perfect (what good thing can I do?) and Jesus answered: to be perfect you have to be like God (and thus follow the example of God Incarnate, Jesus Christ).
I would not disagree with your statement. However it is necessary to remember that Salvation comes via a two edged blade. Faith without works is just as empty as works without faith.
Faith/belief is the vessel. The bucket into which is poured the living waters of Christ. That water must be used, not hoarded. We are tasked by our faith to use that water to refresh the world. To give drink to those thirsting. If we do not, then the living waters of grace will stop and will dry up.
God cannot pour this living water out for us unless we have teh bucket of faith. Otherwise the living waters of grace just flow past us spiling on the ground.
Jesus knows that the rich young man wants to feel justified that by following the Law he has assured his salvation. He is no different than many of us who feel that, so long as we “obey the commandments” attend mass on Sunday and drop an envelope in the basket, we will make it to heaven. Jesus will not let this person, or any person, feel that complacent. There is always something more to be done. What else can be done for the Glory of God and to show my love and thanks for the blessings He has poured out on me.
The rich young man was right in asking Jesus what more he could do. This is what we all must do. Always seek to do more. Jesus knows that at some point, we will all turn away sad because we cannot do what He asks. That is where the Salvic grace comes in.
I believe by Roman Catholic theology, Salvation is attained through Baptism and faith, maintained through Mass/Eucharist and obeying the moral law and Church law, and repaired through Sacramental Confession and/or perfect contrition. It seems like you’re overspiritualizing the story (which is not a parable BTW, except for perhaps Jesus’ statement about the camel/eye-of-a-needle).

The lesson of the incident seems summed up in the ‘after-action’ dialogue between Jesus and the Disciples:
Matthew 19:25-26:
When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
If you want to Save yourself, you must be perfect (as God is perfect) and it is impossible. If you wish to be Saved, it must be through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Just another take on the same parable.
It’s not a parable. I am not trying to be a grammar-nazi, but whenever we start to think of a story/incident as a parable, it almost always leads to overspiritualization and generalization.
No argument here.
I think the other poster who referenced Fulton Sheen said it best. It isn’t how much you give, it’s how much you have left after you give.
This really is not addressing the Salvific issue, but more how much ‘treasure in Heaven’ somone will have stored up.
I would not see this story as a parable on wealth at all. Clearly it deals with honesty, honor and Keeping faith with our God and our Church.
Again, not a parable. Obviously, the incident addresses the importance of honesty (lying is a sin and lying to God is very grave, no pun intended) and not doing your works to be seen by men (Ananias and his wife sold the land and claimed to give all the proceeds to the Church in order to appear as good and whatnot as Joses [aka Barnabas] who sold his land and donated all the proceeds to the Jerusalem Church at the end of Acts 4).

Read St. Peter’s words again. If they had never sold the land, they would not have sinned. If they had sold the land and kept all the proceeds, they would not have sinned. If they had sold the land and donated only a portion of the proceeds and honestly stated they were only donating X% of the proceeds, they would not have sinned. It was when they lied (having claimed to have donated all the proceeds to the Church when they hadn’t and trying to fool St. Peter and, as Peter puts, the Holy Spirit as well) that they committed a sin.

EDIT NOTE: I want to add that I am not trying to say it is alright to be stingy and greedy. Certainly, such a person might face temporal punishment (i.e. being frowned upon by other Christians and, perhaps, even some kind of negative consequence such as loss of the money and seeing what it is like to have the shoe on the other foot) and loss/lack of ‘treasure in Heaven’. I am pointing out that I do not believe it is connected to Salvation (unless, like the Rich Young Ruler, you wish to Save yourself through personal perfection). Besides being I think Scripturally incorrect, I think it leads to people with a lack of faith and love. After all, if I am only doing something because I feel it will help me avoid Hell, then am I truly doing it out of love for God and neighbor? Even the issue of ‘treasure in Heaven’ has to be dealt with carefully: again, is it true love if I am simply doing things because I think it will lead to reward later?
 
I would say that to a certain extent it does depend on a person’s state in life. After all, Saint Edward was a king. I’m sure as a king, he had more money then the average person in England at the time. However, the proper management of that money was his Catholic duty. He used it to the betterment of his kingdom. He was rich, and became a Saint. So it is possible.

For those of us living in the United States, we have more money (on average) then about 99% of the rest of the people in the world. If we bought ourselves down to average for the world net worth, we wouldn’t be able to live here.

I don’t know that you can say buying a base model car rather then one with options is a more Christian thing, too. If you really wanted to save money, you’d buy a used car, not a new one. Also, some options are good for safety reasons. Power doors in a minivan might seem like an excess to some, but not having to put a toddler down to open the door while your hands are full of bags really helps prevent them from running off. Also, if a Christian works hard, supports the poor, and doesn’t spend a lot of money on other things, I don’t see him as sinning if he gets a sunroof.

Also, I think it’s hard to say money is the root of all evil. I don’t think there was a financial benefit to Adam or Eve eating of the apple, and I don’t think Satan sinned for money.

I will say that money creates more temptations for Christians, however.

Just my opinion,

Andy
 
The Rich Young Ruler seems to seek a works-based Salvation because it is always: What good thing can I do to inherit eternal life? He claimed to have obeyed all the commandments since his youth (impossible, both according to Jesus’ commentary on the Sermon on the Mount, 1 John 1:8 and Romans 3:10) and kept asking what more he could do. Well, if you want to Save yourself, then you must be perfect and ‘good’. Nowhere else does Jesus issue such stringent demands for Salvation because most everyone else figured out that Salvation through personal perfection is impossible.
The man wanted to Save himself through being perfect (what good thing can I do?) and Jesus answered: to be perfect you have to be like God (and thus follow the example of God Incarnate, Jesus Christ).
I feel like we are discussing the two sides of the same coin. That being grace vs. works. You seem to be mainly adhering to the Grace side. This is correct. We cannot be saved unless God saves us. However, holding this view to the exclusion of works, negates the effort that God requires of us.

Your signature says you are a “Jewish Christian - Awaiting Confirmation within Episcopalian/Anglican Church.” You did not reach this state by remaining inactive in your own spiritual growth. You had to take part in your salvation through study, reflection and discernment. You had to open yourself to God’s Salvic Grace.

So in describing the Rich young man as trying to save himself, you are doing no more than describing what we all must do in order for God to save us. Obviously the man understood from Jesus’ teaching that he couldn’t just rest on his obedience to the law, or the fact that he was Hebrew. He felt the call was to do more, he just didn’t realize how much more.
I believe by Roman Catholic theology, Salvation is attained through Baptism and faith, maintained through Mass/Eucharist and obeying the moral law and Church law, and repaired through Sacramental Confession and/or perfect contrition. It seems like you’re over spiritualizing the story (which is not a parable BTW, except for perhaps Jesus’ statement about the camel/eye-of-a-needle).
The lesson of the incident seems summed up in the ‘after-action’ dialogue between Jesus and the Disciples:
Matthew 19:25-26
When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

If you want to Save yourself, you must be perfect (as God is perfect) and it is impossible. If you wish to be Saved, it must be through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
The apostles were naturally looking at the lesson in the Jewish sense of the time. As you point out, wealth was considered a measure of God’s blessings. Jesus had just pulled that out from under them, and so they were naturally confused.

The thing that we must remember in this is that, even though we cannot save ourselves – by ourselves, that does not mean that we don’t have work to do in the process of our own salvation.
It’s not a parable. I am not trying to be a grammar-nazi, but whenever we start to think of a story/incident as a parable, it almost always leads to over spiritualization and generalization.
No problem. My mistake. Mea Culpa.
Again, not a parable. Obviously, the incident addresses the importance of honesty (lying is a sin and lying to God is very grave, no pun intended) and not doing your works to be seen by men (Ananias and his wife sold the land and claimed to give all the proceeds to the Church in order to appear as good and whatnot as Joses [aka Barnabas] who sold his land and donated all the proceeds to the Jerusalem Church at the end of Acts 4).
Read St. Peter’s words again. If they had never sold the land, they would not have sinned. If they had sold the land and kept all the proceeds, they would not have sinned. If they had sold the land and donated only a portion of the proceeds and honestly stated they were only donating X% of the proceeds, they would not have sinned. It was when they lied (having claimed to have donated all the proceeds to the Church when they hadn’t and trying to fool St. Peter and, as Peter puts, the Holy Spirit as well) that they committed a sin.
I don’t see that we have a difference here. I certainly never saw this incident as an issue of charity, but rather as one of lying and breaking an oath to God.
EDIT NOTE: I want to add that I am not trying to say it is alright to be stingy and greedy. Certainly, such a person might face temporal punishment (i.e. being frowned upon by other Christians and, perhaps, even some kind of negative consequence such as loss of the money and seeing what it is like to have the shoe on the other foot) and loss/lack of ‘treasure in Heaven’. I am pointing out that I do not believe it is connected to Salvation (unless, like the Rich Young Ruler, you wish to Save yourself through personal perfection). Besides being I think Scripturally incorrect, I think it leads to people with a lack of faith and love. After all, if I am only doing something because I feel it will help me avoid Hell, then am I truly doing it out of love for God and neighbor? Even the issue of ‘treasure in Heaven’ has to be dealt with carefully: again, is it true love if I am simply doing things because I think it will lead to reward later?
I think that, to a certain extent, we are on the same page but with differing emphasis.
I would point out that at judgment, Jesus points to – What we do or don’t do for the least of our brethren, we do or don’t do to Him. If we do not actively co-operate with God’s Saving Grace, and “do unto others”, it will not help our case before the Lord.

Peace
James
 
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