How Much Time Does the U.S. Have?

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manualman said:
A quick Google search revealed this more apparently complete citation:

“In the last couple of years, there have been frequent references among some pro-family organizations about British Anthropologist Joseph D. Unwin’s research, the findings of which he published in his book Sex and Culture (London, Oxford University Press, 1934) concerning sexual mores and their relation to the advancement (or lack thereof) of 86 ancient civilizations. He had earlier published, in 1933, a preliminary report of his findings entitled Sexual Regulations and Human Behaviour ( London, Williams and Northgate. Ltd., 1933, 109 pgs.) to which I will, in part, refer here…”

I gotta run, but perhaps you can verify if those are legit published works?
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Yes you run along now. And don’t worry about providing links or sourcing or any such common courtesy. 👋

Allow me to do a “quick google search”, after all I love clearing up after people:rolleyes: :

Your quote was from this article
enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0306/0306sexliberty.htm

written by the right wing activist Alisa Craddock

who also seems to be unable to provide sources or a bibliography (something even wikipedia tries to do).

But never mind, we have a citation. Let’s explore!👍

that’s funny, a google of “Sexual Regulations and Human Behaviour ( London, Williams and Northgate. Ltd.” turns up nothing apart from the article by Craddock itself.:confused:

google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Sexual+Regulations+and+Human+Behaviour%22+%28+London%2C+Williams+and+Northgate.+Ltd.%2C+1933%2C+109+pgs.%29

Renowned?

Didn’t you mean obscure?

Perhaps your miraculous and quick google searches can result in anything more illuminating:coffeeread:

This author may indeed actually exist and he may indeed have written such a work. But renowned?

If the authors of these articles placed any value on the authority of this work, they would have included a direct quotation.

Must. Try. Better.:tsktsk:
 
geezerbob said:
Many factors usually cause the collapse of any given society. The Romans lasted over 500 years and I’ve heard it taught that their empire collapsed because of the decline in morals. However, the fall actually occurred after it had been under a strong Christian influence for close to 150 years and was precipitated by other factors such as corrupt leaders (we have plenty of those), sloth, and staffing their armies with people from the conquered regions whose loyalty was questionable.

While I don’t like the way the country is headed and the author has tried to establish a relationship between the lack of morality and the collapse of the country, he has not even come close to establishing a causal relationship.

I can visualize another civil war pitting Christians against relativists which would bring the US to its knees and make it vulnerable to being taken over by a foreign government. If the fringes of society keep up with their aggressive efforts to take over, it could easily come to that.

I didn’t vote because the motherboard in my crystal ball blew a capacitor.
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IMO, I think a careful review of history would indicate that the Roman Society was already in decline at the time Christianity arose and then became the state religion. Its decline can probably be dated from the proscription of Sulla and the following chaos that gave rise to Caesar and the end of the Republic (49 BC). Although Augustus, after another brutal proscription, established a stable dictatorship, his successors the likes of Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and Nero reflected a steady state of decline in the traditions that bound the society together.

The evidence of growing depravity is rife. Even Caesar, for example, was mocked as “every woman’s man and every man’s woman” by his political opponents. After the assassination of Caligula, Suetonius writes that grown men wept tears of joy rejoicing they would again see the Republic, not known since their grandfather’s time, only to have their hopes dashed as the military established Claudius in bloodshed. The Republic never returned, and it was a weakened Rome, unable to maintain its empire and then its borders that eventually fell.

The timeline? 500 years of the Republic and perhaps another 500 years to the collapse.
 
I am one of the many who believe in fighting to restore sanity and godliness to American Society.

On the other hand, the apostasy of the American people is increasing exponentially, and I don’t believe that God will tolerate for very long the apostasy of a once-Christian people without
a very severe chastisement to bring them back into line.

Many Saints have predicted a “three days darkness” Great Chastisement for the time period seeming to correspond with our own time.

When? Who knows?

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Cuddy,

Your snide tone is unwarranted. I am not the OP and I have not weighed in one bit on the merits of the claimed study. You mentioned being unable to find any trace and made the rather bold jump of logic of concluding it all to be a fraud.

I assumed you were actually interested (as was I on a rather dubious claim) and found a seemingly unrelated post that cited a claim to a study title, publisher and date. I have no dog in this fight, I just found your conclusion of fraud a bit hasty.

My bad for assuming you were actually interested in seeing if is a bogus study or not.
 
manualman said:
Cuddy,

Your snide tone is unwarranted. I am not the OP and I have not weighed in one bit on the merits of the claimed study. You mentioned being unable to find any trace and made the rather bold jump of logic of concluding it all to be a fraud.

I assumed you were actually interested (as was I on a rather dubious claim) and found a seemingly unrelated post that cited a claim to a study title, publisher and date. I have no dog in this fight, I just found your conclusion of fraud a bit hasty.

My bad for assuming you were actually interested in seeing if is a bogus study or not.
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manualman:

I have found it is not worth commenting on posts like that here. Especially if ones use words like “bogus” (like here) or “spurious” (use on other threads in the past). They tend to denigrate into “flame wars” which I am not interested in. I do not even like to use the report (http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons/report.gif )function unless it is an egregious violation. In the past, if a thread got out of hand where I am the OP, I just had the Moderators close it.
 
Peregrinus,

As valid as your point is about “flaming”, he also has a good point. Will you address it? This author is far from well-known and credible.

Doomsday paranoia just doesn’t hit me like it used to–actually, it never did. Everyone is afraid of society collapsing–but a lack of religion or spirituality does not mean imminent collapse.
Thanks

Matt
 
Reading through this thread for the last couple days, I keep wondering if the country is in a state of entropy or if the pendulum perpetually swings back and forth. Think of what has arisen in society since my youth: widespread drug use, the pill, liberalized divorce, “free love”, “God is dead”, radical feminism, abortion on demand, radical homosexuality. In the 45 or so years of my political awareness, I have seen very little movement toward the more moral stances on these matters. How does the pendulum swing back? Which returns me to my original question - is it actually a slipping away?

While I agree the end is not near, who could argue these trends have been good for society? In increased violence, suicide, dissolute families, children born out of wedlock, drug addicition, the coarseness of society? We do not know when life begins or ends, what is right or wrong, even what it means to be married. One could easily see in it all a state of decadence and, in the end - the end.
 
I find the relentless negativity of many of my Catholic family members exhausting. I think a lot of them secretly, perhaps subconciously, want to see thier nation punished, even destroyed.

I’d never argue that we don’t have problems, but there’s still a lot to be proud of in the US: we have a degree of racial and sexual equality unkown in past eras. No more slavery, no more Jim Crow laws.

Too much food is a greater health risk for our poor than too little. There are holes in our social saftey net, but at least we have a net.

Yeah, I know: abortion. No way around it, it’s horrible. But we’ve at least begun to make some headway with things like the Born Alive act, and the Partial Birth ban. I beleive we are slowly, surely winning the battle for hearts and minds.

So cheer up, people: things could be worse, and in most of the world, they are.
 
I voted “Other” for we do not know the day or the hour. 😉

Seriously, though, I had friends fifteen years ago saying that a Civil War / Revolution was just around the corner. Certainly secular society is greatly opposed to the Gospel, but it seems a bit hasty to conclude that the U.S. is going to collapse within the next 5 or 10 years. What exactly would that look like?

Certainly, morality will likely continue to deteriorate, but the government will probably plod along as usual.
 
Sam_Maloney said:
I find the relentless negativity of many of my Catholic family members exhausting. I think a lot of them secretly, perhaps subconciously, want to see thier nation punished, even destroyed.

I’d never argue that we don’t have problems, but there’s still a lot to be proud of in the US: we have a degree of racial and sexual equality unkown in past eras. No more slavery, no more Jim Crow laws.

Too much food is a greater health risk for our poor than too little. There are holes in our social saftey net, but at least we have a net.

Yeah, I know: abortion. No way around it, it’s horrible. But we’ve at least begun to make some headway with things like the Born Alive act, and the Partial Birth ban. I beleive we are slowly, surely winning the battle for hearts and minds.

So cheer up, people: things could be worse, and in most of the world, they are.
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[SIGN]Amen![/SIGN]
 
Warning: random thoughts ahead.

I saw a program on the History Channel that said the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world in less than a decade.

Should I buy long term bonds? Should I refinance to a 30 year fixed mortgage?

Many early Christians thought that Christ would return in their lifetime, only a generation or two from the Resurrection.

The year 1000 was really scarry for some.

The Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses got their start based on several different dates for the end of the world in the early 19th century.

We got through Y2K just fine. I never understood that one. Since Jesus was actually born about 4-6 BC we were already past the second millenium before we started to worry.

I vote other. God knows and we don’t. We got some really good advice to be ready always. Some of us may not be able to post tomorrow. I am not sure my computer will last that long.

If God really wanted to punish all of us for our culture of death, he just might force us to live in it a little longer. I still have hope we can make tomorrow a little better than today.
 
Just wait till states can’t take the insults any more and walk out of the union to keep Abortion and Gay marriage illegal.
 
I can not answer because the bible speaks clearly about false prophets. And, that no one knows the end dates- USA gone would be the end for many in a matter of time.
 
One note. This ain’t about the “end times”.

Civilizations come and go. Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, and Roman are just a few of the civilizations that have risen and fallen over the centuries.

There are signs that current society is well into decline according to Unwin’s hypothesis.

The thing is, what will replace it, not is it the end of the world. Of course for some (i.e. the Relativist and Materialis), it seems to mean the same thing.
 
peregrinus_WA said:
One note. This ain’t about the “end times”.

Civilizations come and go. Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, and Roman are just a few of the civilizations that have risen and fallen over the centuries.

There are signs that current society is well into decline according to Unwin’s hypothesis.

The thing is, what will replace it, not is it the end of the world. Of course for some (i.e. the Relativist and Materialis), it seems to mean the same thing.
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At least it is not about global warming.

I don’t want to trivialize your concern, even if it seems I already did, but every society since the fall of Adam has had concerns about decline and optimism about the future.

The reason is always the same in general terms. Every earthly society is 100 percent composed of sinners and each and every one of those sinners is called to transform that society by the grace of God. If it seems we have not made enough progress, you are right. If that causes you to give up, you are wrong.

It really bothers me when some people calling themselves conservatives want to return to some time in the past when everything was OK. There was no such time, and longing for it only distracts us from the job of becoming better than we ever were.
 
peregrinus_WA said:
One note. This ain’t about the “end times”.

Civilizations come and go. Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, and Roman are just a few of the civilizations that have risen and fallen over the centuries.

There are signs that current society is well into decline according to Unwin’s hypothesis.

The thing is, what will replace it, not is it the end of the world. Of course for some (i.e. the Relativist and Materialis), it seems to mean the same thing.
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Ah. While not impossible, at present, it seems difficult to imagine the U.S. completely collapsing (at least structurally speaking; morally speaking is another matter). Quite frankly, our government has too much power and resources for that to happen. The U.S. has things that the Greeks and Romans did not: technology, guns, mass communication, speedy transportation, means of surveillance, etc… It’s difficult for me to imagine a Civil War even getting off the ground before being quelled. And with our location and the size of our military, it’s difficult to imagine the U.S. being conquered from the outside.

The only way I could see it happening would be with some cataclysmic natural disaster and/or Y2K-worst-case-scenario kind of event. Something along the lines of “I Am Legend” or “The Stand”.
 
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