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One more interesting note, in SACRAMENTUM CARITATIS, #83, Eucharistic Consistancy, POPE Benedict brings up politicians and notes: “These values are not negotiable.” Again, abortion is implied, but not alone.
 
SoCalRC said:
One more interesting note, in SACRAMENTUM CARITATIS, #83, Eucharistic Consistancy, POPE Benedict brings up politicians and notes: “These values are not negotiable.” Again, abortion is implied, but not alone.
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There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
 
estesbob said:
**There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war **and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
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Yes, we got that part. It was a memo in 2004 from Cardinal Ratzinger. I just thought it was interesting that, writing as Pope Benedict he chose to select several things to specify as non-negotiable.

But, of course, all this skips my point above. Even if we discard all other Catholic teachings, picking real pro-life candidates isn’t that easy for some of us. Consider the front runners in the GOP presidential primary race. Who in the top four is a legitimate pro-life candidate? Seems to me if you’ve supported public funding of abortions, donated your own money towards abortions, or lobbied for abortionists some skepticism might be in order when it comes to campaign claims today. But that’s just me.
 
SoCalRC said:
Yes, we got that part. It was a memo in 2004 from Cardinal Ratzinger. I just thought it was interesting that, writing as Pope Benedict he chose to select several things to specify as non-negotiable.

But, of course, all this skips my point above. Even if we discard all other Catholic teachings, picking real pro-life candidates isn’t that easy for some of us. Consider the front runners in the GOP presidential primary race. Who in the top four is a legitimate pro-life candidate? Seems to me if you’ve supported public funding of abortions, donated your own money towards abortions, or lobbied for abortionists some skepticism might be in order when it comes to campaign claims today. But that’s just me.
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Last Presidential election was easy. This time around it may be necessary for me to sit the election out .
 
Scarecrow said:
It should be a murder charge.

Unless authorized by health officials and the state law when the pregnancy threatens the mothers health.
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Catholic teaching does not permit such an exception, why do you think it should exist in secular law?
 
SoCalRC said:
Catholic teaching does not permit such an exception, why do you think it should exist in secular law?
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Equally on point, “mother’s health” includes “mental health” which reduces the issue to, “Like I’d feel, like reeely bad if I had to have this baby.”
 
I noticed an article about a legislative hearing in Topeka, KS about abortion. One woman who had a late-term abortion testified as an anti-abortion witness:
“I feel I was exploited by Dr. Tiller and his office for the $2,500 it cost,” Armesto told the committee. Later, during a break, she said, “Basically, they just shove you in, and you’re so frozen and so numb that it’s done.”
Source: kansas.com/news/state/story/168978.html

With some of the recommendations I’ve seen on this thread, she wouldn’t be testifying, she would be in jail or executed.

Do Christians believe in mercy or repentance?
 
JimG said:
I noticed an article about a legislative hearing in Topeka, KS about abortion. One woman who had a late-term abortion testified as an anti-abortion witness:“I feel I was exploited by Dr. Tiller and his office for the $2,500 it cost,” Armesto told the committee. Later, during a break, she said, "Basically, they just shove you in, and you’re so frozen and so numb that it’s done."Source: kansas.com/news/state/story/168978.html
With some of the recommendations I’ve seen on this thread, she wouldn’t be testifying, she would be in jail or executed.

Do Christians believe in mercy or repentance?
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Of course we do. And your point is?
 
JimG said:
I noticed an article about a legislative hearing in Topeka, KS about abortion. One woman who had a late-term abortion testified as an anti-abortion witness:
“I feel I was exploited by Dr. Tiller and his office for the $2,500 it cost,” Armesto told the committee. Later, during a break, she said, “Basically, they just shove you in, and you’re so frozen and so numb that it’s done.”
Source: kansas.com/news/state/story/168978.html

With some of the recommendations I’ve seen on this thread, she wouldn’t be testifying, she would be in jail or executed.
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Where do you get that?

People who have participated in crimes get reduced sentences, or even have the charges dropped in return for testifying against other members of the conspiracy.
JimG said:
Do Christians believe in mercy or repentance?
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Does that obligate us to work for no laws at all?

If we were talking about armed robbers or rapists, would you use that argument?
 
vern_humphrey said:
Where do you get that?

People who have participated in crimes get reduced sentences, or even have the charges dropped in return for testifying against other members of the conspiracy.
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Does that obligate us to work for no laws at all?

If we were talking about armed robbers or rapists, would you use that argument?We’re talking about reversing Roe v Wade, and I’m quite certain that the penalties being proposed as being applied to women, will ensure that that never happens.
 
vern_humphrey said:
If we were talking about armed robbers or rapists, would you use that argument?
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We’re talking about the reversal of Roe v Wade, and I’m quite certain that proposing the penalties against women that I’ve seen on this thread will ensure that never happens.
 
JimG said:
We’re talking about the reversal of Roe v Wade, and I’m quite certain that proposing the penalties against women that I’ve seen on this thread will ensure that never happens.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
seekerz said:
My thoughts exactly.
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The reversal of Roe V wade would not make abortion illegal. The “are we going to put women in jail?” argument is another one of those diversions designed to move the discussion away from 1.2 million dead children a year. Prior to Roe V Wade there were NO women in jail for procuring an abortion. Each State will determine what, if any restrictins, they want on Abrotion and I suspect as in the past the focus of the law will be the abortionists-not the women receiving the abortion.
 
estesbob said:
The reversal of Roe V wade would not make abortion illegal. The “are we going to put women in jail?” argument is another one of those diversions designed to move the discussion away from 1.2 million dead children a year. Prior to Roe V Wade there were NO women in jail for procuring an abortion. Each State will determine what, if any restrictins, they want on Abrotion and I suspect as in the past the focus of the law will be the abortionists-not the women receiving the abortion.
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Exactly: It is a diversion. It is counterproductive. And since there were NO women in jail prior to Roe, why are we talking about putting them in jail after its reversal? Way counterproductive.
 
All murderers should be treated the same. Whether its moms who murder their children or some stranger who murders an adult.
 
Scarecrow said:
Because secular law isnt ruled by the church.
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You avoided the question. I asked why you felt the Church was wrong and that secular law should permit an exception. I didn’t question that secular law and Church law may differ.
 
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