How often do you pray in tongues 1cor 12

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NEVER. Once I went to a prayer service at church, and my 2 prayer partners came over to pray. I said “you aren’t going to do anything weird, are you?” They began to pray, and the one person said something at the end in tongues.

I think the average person just doesn’t get it.
 
AdamPeter said:
You have the right to be offended. I have the right to say that I think this is rubbish. If people are offended so easily then perhaps an internet discussion forum is not the place to be.
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Speaking/ praying in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit.

If people truly claim to be living their faith, then they will exercise charity and prayerful discernment before posting divisive and insulting, offensive attitudes to other Catholics.

And respect and revere the gifts the Holy Spirit chooses to bestow on fellow Catholics.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Speaking/ praying in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit.

If people truly claim to be living their faith, then they will exercise charity and prayerful discernment before posting divisive and insulting, offensive attitudes to other Catholics.

And respect and revere the gifts the Holy Spirit chooses to bestow on fellow Catholics.
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Again, I’m not actually insulting anyone. Just speaking from my actual real-life experiences in charismatic prayer groups. And again, if you get insulted by that then that’s unfortunate, but it doesn’t mean I have actually said something wrong.

The problem with calling tongues a gift of the Holy Spirit is that in all the prayer groups I’ve seen this phenomenon seems to be present according to the desires of those present to actually “practice” and speak in a tongue. And yes, the majority of the time it’s pure gibberish.

There is a genuine gift, but it’s rare and certainly not as common as the Charismatic movement claim.

Here’s an article that discusses this issue from a theological perspective.

 
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Request from those who speak in tongues:

Does anyone have an example of the Early Church Fathers or any official Catholic source that mentions speaking in an unknown language (that is words that either do not exist in a know language or simply collections of sounds strung together or something that sounds like “homana sabbada ekuponi sabbada la la la sundai”) that happened after the age of the Apostles and prior to 1900?

Yes, various saints have had the ability to speak in languages they did not learn, but, these are known human languages. That is not what I am asking about, I am asking for one example from an officially recognized Catholic source that talks about someone speaking in an unknown human language for the edification of Christians.

I have never been able to find such a reference.

Again, as I stated above, I understand that modern popes have addressed gatherings of Charismatic Catholics and have said nice things to them. That is not the sort of thing I am looking for.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Does anyone have an example of the Early Church Fathers or any official Catholic source that mentions speaking in an unknown language (that is words that either do not exist in a know language or simply collections of sounds strung together or something that sounds like “homana sabbada ekuponi sabbada la la la sundai”) that happened after the age of the Apostles and prior to 1900?

Yes, various saints have had the ability to speak in languages they did not learn, but, these are known human languages. That is not what I am asking about, I am asking for one example from an officially recognized Catholic source that talks about someone speaking in an unknown human language for the edification of Christians.
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This makes sense to me. The gift the Gospel/Acts refers to seems to be the speaking of an actual language rather than the Holy Spirit causing one to babble unintelligibly.

The article I posted above raises and interesting point…many Charismatics are not interested in discerning the spirit that is behind the “tongues” and therefore the person could be cursing God rather than praising Him.
 
Melchior,

Yes, throughout the history of the Church I hear about the charisms of the Holy Spirit being used.

Discernment is necessary, and it is good to remember that by their fruits ye shall know them.

I also know that the canonized saints, during their lifetime, used those gifts to build up the Church and help many others. I haven’t heard about them speaking in tongues or praying in the spirit. A person with a deep prayer life doesn’t need to do that, the close prayer relationship with the Lord is already there.

Peace, Dorothy
 
I, personally, would be very cautious in making a negative blanket statement about the gift of tongues. We, as mere humans, do not have a full understanding of everything, let alone the spiritual realm.

If I classified the gift as pure nonsense, made-up gibberish, what about the True Gift that comes from the Holy Spirit? Would I then be guilty of “Insulting The Spirit of Grace”?

I heard a story: In a worship setting, many were singing in tongues. One woman, who had her eyes closed, was among them. When she opened her eyes, there was someone right in her face, looking intently at her. She asked her if she knew what she was singing, and she said no, she didn’t. The other woman had understood her words and told her she was praising God and was singing about casting beautiful flower petals before the throne of God.

We do not know enough to say that all speaking in tongues is made up, neither should we condemn it, because we lack a full understanding of the Spirit of God and of all his workings. The Bible makes reference to speaking in Angelic Languages. Someone could be speaking in tongues in a heavenly language, and we certainly wouldn’t understand that.
 
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Offence is subjective. Some people take offence to Catholic teaching. Does that mean I should never talk about it.

I’m not denying that there is a gift that the Holy Spirit can bestow. I’m just saying that in my experience, it’s been nonsense. It’s most likely rarer than the charismatics would have you believe.

If you take offence to my observations, then it really isn’t my problem.
 
Not if it’s objectively nonsense. I’ve yet to see evidence or confirmation, or any theological backing for this phenomenon. As far as I can see, this is an invention of the charismatic movement. Or at least a corruption of the actual gift of tongues.

If I say my spirituality is to run naked through the forest to be one with God’s creation, that doesn’t make it valid or helpful.
 
Same, seems that if this were valid there would be some writing of it by the Doctors of the Church or the Early Church Fathers, or some noted Catholic from the 5th or 12th or 17th century. We have record of Saints who experienced ecstasies, levitation, bi-location, reading of souls, raising the dead, miraculous healings, understanding/speaking human languages that they had never learned, where is the historic record?

Aside from relatively recent pockets in Protestantism (for example, the Shakers/Shaking Quakers), every account I can find is modern.
 
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I heard a story: In a worship setting, many were singing in tongues. One woman, who had her eyes closed, was among them. When she opened her eyes, there was someone right in her face, looking intently at her. She asked her if she knew what she was singing, and she said no, she didn’t. The other woman had understood her words and told her she was praising God and was singing about casting beautiful flower petals before the throne of God.
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Anecdotes are sweet, however, the Church requires more than nice accounts. We have a process for verification of miracles, apparitions, revelations. Seems that at least one occurrence of this phenomena would have been put before the Church for validation.
 
Well where are the official Church accounts of these things.
@TheLittleLady has a point. If this was in the Tradition of the Church then surely it would be better documented?

All you’ve done is tell me I’m being offensive. You have yet to provide any theological backup for this.

What good does the “gift of tongues” actually do? How is it an important part of a spirituality? What logical sense does it make for the Holy Spirit to inspire people to basically talk gibberish?
The only thing I’ve seen in these prayer groups is people getting emotionally high and working themselves up into an emotion fuelled “spiritual experience”.
I have seen people being “coached” to do this and I have also seen priests who do this insert “tongues” into the Eucharistic prayer at Sunday mass. I don’t see how that could be inspired by the Holy Spirit.
 
All good points

.the word if faith .quote Jude 20. Building yourself up by praying in the spirit

.or saint Paul says in 1 cor 12 and 14 .you are praying to God but with out understanding.
This dosent “sit” well for the natural mind.

So it can be discarded.
 
AdamPeter said:
I have seen people being “coached” to do this
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Me too! I’ve witnessed this myself! Considering that together with the teachings of priests like Fr. John Hardon, Chad Ripperger and Philip Wolfe…I’ll take my cues from priests who consistently teach sound, traditional Catholicism.
 
If a person is praying in tongues and they dont know what theyre saying i wouldnt trust the source.

Praying in tongues to me is being gifted with the supernatural ability to speak another language to evangelize ppl to the Gospel of Christ just as it happened at pentecost.

Not gibberish.
 
1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank God that I speak with tongues more than any of you;

19 all the same, when I am in the assembly I would rather say five words with my mind, to instruct others as well, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
 
I haven’t been to any nations lately where I don’t understand the language, so the opportunity I don’t think has really come up
 
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