How our experiences are bounded when we have minds?

[vz71]

I define Mind and mental state in this way because this is the minimal model to explain reality. Mind simply allows the experience. We know by fact that experience is local phenomena. So we are having a problem in our hand which is how experience could be local.

We have an artificial problem created by using arbitrary definitions.

That you define mind in any way and then have a problem with the logic has no bearing on anyone else.
But it does suggest an issue with the definition.

 

[Bahman]

We have an artificial problem created by using arbitrary definitions.

That you define mind in any way and then have a problem with the logic has no bearing on anyone else.
But it does suggest an issue with the definition.

You believe that Human is composed of matter and soul. Soul however is spiritual so it cannot be located. You believe that is the soul which experiences so you have the same problem in your system of belief.

 

[vz71]

You believe that Human is composed of matter and soul. Soul however is spiritual so it cannot be located. You believe that is the soul which experiences so you have the same problem in your system of belief.

I do?
How would you know enough about anyone else to make these statements?
Where do you get your knowledge?

You appear to have a problem, and it has to do with pushing arbitrary definitions.

 

[davidv]

I do?
How would you know enough about anyone else to make these statements?
Where do you get your knowledge?

You appear to have a problem, and it has to do with pushing arbitrary definitions.

I consider it a not-so-subtle form of the question begging fallacy.

 

[Bahman]

We have an artificial problem created by using arbitrary definitions.

That is not an arbitrary definition. I think through to find such a definition.

That you define mind in any way and then have a problem with the logic has no bearing on anyone else.
But it does suggest an issue with the definition.

The problem is not related to the definition. You have the same problem in your system of belief too. Can a body experience anything without a soul? No. Where is the soul? Nowhere because soul is spiritual thing. That is soul that allows experience since it was already argued that a body cannot experience without any soul. So we end up with the same problem: Why our experiences are bounded?

 

[Bahman]

I do?

Yes you do.

How would you know enough about anyone else to make these statements?

Then please let me know how your experience is local when your soul is spiritual, meaning that it has no location.

Where do you get your knowledge?

By thinking.

You appear to have a problem, and it has to do with pushing arbitrary definitions.

I am solely presenting a model which has a problem. I cannot resolve the issue and that is why I am presenting it here. Your model of human being is very similar to mine meaning that you have the same issue too.

 

[Bahman]

I consider it a not-so-subtle form of the question begging fallacy.

You have the same problem with your model of human too.

 

[vz71]

Your model of human being is very similar to mine meaning that you have the same issue too.

Like the majority of what you have put forth, pure conjecture based on nothing.

I have never, in my time on this forum, provided anyone with the information you claim to have.

 

[davidv]

You have the same problem with your model of human too.

What model of the human am I using? I don’t think you know what it is. Therefore, your claim that it has a problem is premature and probably wrong.

 

[Aloysium]

. . . Why our experiences are bounded?

. . . because they are. This is primary and, while ignorable, is irrefutable. We finite creatures are made in the image of God. We are not God. Our individual minds are a reflection of our finite relational being. It is not a result of any physical, since the physical universe is continuous. There is nothing physical that distinguishes the matter that is my body from the matter that is the rest of the universe. It is our spiritual soul in union with the body, that results in what you understand to be bounded experience.

 

[Bahman]

Like the majority of what you have put forth, pure conjecture based on nothing.

I have never, in my time on this forum, provided anyone with the information you claim to have.

Do you know the description human being in Catechism?

 

[Bahman]

What model of the human am I using? I don’t think you know what it is. Therefore, your claim that it has a problem is premature and probably wrong.

I think you as a Catholic believe in hylemorphic dualism. Do you agree?

 

[Bahman]

. . . because they are. This is primary and, while ignorable, is irrefutable. We finite creatures are made in the image of God. We are not God. Our individual minds are a reflection of our finite relational being. It is not a result of any physical, since the physical universe is continuous. There is nothing physical that distinguishes the matter that is my body from the matter that is the rest of the universe. It is our spiritual soul in union with the body, that results in what you understand to be bounded experience.

How such a union is possible considering the fact that our souls are spiritual and they have not any location where as our bodies are physical and have location? Do you think that the experience is done by the union or the soul alone?

 

[Aloysium]

How such a union is possible considering the fact that our souls are spiritual and they have not any location where as our bodies are physical and have location? Do you think that the experience is done by the union or the soul alone?

The location of the spirit is always here and now. It cannot be elsewhere. The unity of the spirit and body is this actual experience you are having. Out of all time and space, everywhere and every time, this is where you are. You are in space and time, right here, right now; and this fact is spiritual. This experience is one, having a multitude of components.

 

[Bahman]

The location of the spirit is always here and now. It cannot be elsewhere.

Soul doesn’t have any location because it is a spiritual beings. By the way what is your definition soul? In my definition Mind is the essence of a being with the ability to experience, decide and act. We still have the same problem, bounded experience, given this definition no matter where our minds are.

The unity of the spirit and body is this actual experience you are having.

So do you believe that only the union can experience?

 

[Aloysium]

Where in time and space is here and now?
Where do they begin and end?
How are they bounded?
A person experiences.

 

[Bahman]

Where in time and space is here and now?
Where do they begin and end?
How are they bounded?
A person experiences.

I don’t understand how your post is related to mine?

 

[Aloysium]

I don’t understand how your post is related to mine?

“Mind” and “soul” are related concepts. I tried to help you locate your soul. Once realized, and the love from which it springs, pretty much all such questions are answered.

 

[Bahman]

“Mind” and “soul” are related concepts.

I already define Mind. I don’t know if you agree with it or not. What is your definition of soul?

I tried to help you locate your soul.

How I can locate my soul. I think that soul is spiritual and has no location. You seems to believe otherwise. How I can understand this if you don’t define soul?

Once realized, and the love from which it springs, pretty much all such questions are answered.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Aloysium]

I already define Mind. I don’t know if you agree with it or not. What is your definition of soul? How I can locate my soul. I think that soul is spiritual and has no location. You seems to believe otherwise. How I can understand this if you don’t define soul? I have no idea what you are talking about.

What’s the point of definitions when the truth/reality to which they point is not shared?