How possibly they knew and they didn't know at the same time?

[STT]

We all know the story of Adam and Eve. I however found a contradiction in story as following: They knew that eating it is wrong/evil (how they could sin if they didn’t know good and evil?) yet they didn’t know good and evil because they haven’t eaten the fruit.

 

[BenjaminJ]

They didn’t know it was evil, only that God told them not to.

 

[STT]

So they haven’t sin?

 

[BenjaminJ]

Ignorance doesn’t make it less of a sin.

 

[STT]

Ignorance doesn’t make it less of a sin.

Yes, ignorance make the act less of a sin. Isn’t sin an act of evil where evil is prohibited by God?

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

…actually, they were Commanded not to eat of it:

2:16 Then Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, ‘You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden. 2:17 Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die.’ (Genesis)

Their transgression was not that they were aware of sin (good/evil) but that they disobeyed God.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Disobedience is the transgression.

The act of transgression makes for sin.

Cause – Effect.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[STT]

Hi!

…actually, they were Commanded not to eat of it:

2:16 Then Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, ‘You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden. 2:17 Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die.’ (Genesis)

Their transgression was not that they were aware of sin (good/evil) but that they disobeyed God.

Maran atha!

Angel

Isn’t sin an act of evil where evil is prohibited by God?

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

Yes, but what you were asking was how could Adam and Eve have sinned if they were ignorant that they were sinning.

I am attempting to direct you to the correct issue: it is not about sin; that is, the knowledge of sin; it is about disobedience–they disobeyed the Creator and obeyed the creature.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Roseeurekacross]

stt God told them not to eat of that tree. God likes onedience

 

[Benadam]

The knowledge of evil in Genesis is a union of likeness. The object of their will before the fall was a true good. After the fall it was a false good. Acting on their will for a false good brought them the experience of evil and consequently made them more like evil. To know something fully one has to be like it.

God made man in His image and likeness.

 

[fhansen]

We all know the story of Adam and Eve. I however found a contradiction in story as following: They knew that eating it is wrong/evil (how they could sin if they didn’t know good and evil?) yet they didn’t know good and evil because they haven’t eaten the fruit.

Read Gen 3. The very story of the Fall already tells you that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil until after they sinned. Gen 3:22

 

[STT]

Hi!

Yes, but what you were asking was how could Adam and Eve have sinned if they were ignorant that they were sinning.

I am attempting to direct you to the correct issue: it is not about sin; that is, the knowledge of sin; it is about disobedience–they disobeyed the Creator and obeyed the creature.

Maran atha!

Angel

The question is whether they sin or not? So you agree that they didn’t sin? If no, why we are in state of sin then?

 

[STT]

stt God told them not to eat of that tree. God likes onedience

That I can agree. The question is why God punish them. They haven’t done any sin since they were ignorant toward evil. In simple word, they were ignorant.

 

[STT]

Read Gen 3. The very story of the Fall already tells you that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil until after they sinned. Gen 3:22

The problem is that they couldn’t possibly sin unless they know the act is sinful. They were ignorant toward sin so their act was not sinful.

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

No, what I am saying is that regardless of their foreknowledge on regards to what sin is, they committed sin–the absence of knowledge did not remove the culpability.

Their transgression was taking the creatures word rather than the Creator’s.

Say you and I are friends; I am visiting you and you warn me that the bathroom sink is broken–I’m not a plumber, but, as many, I dabble into the arts (‘I can do it!’); so after using the toilet, instead of employing the sanitizing foam dispenser, I insist that I can use the sink (to my untrained eyes, it seems perfectly ok); water floods–by the time I notice the problem and shut off the faucet the wall and floor in your bathroom are drenched.

Can my ignorance of the problem with the sink undo the drenching of the wall and floor?

Now take that to the spiritual level.

Can Adam’s and Eve’s lack of knowledge about sin undo the fact that their transgression was sin?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[SuperLuigi]

They disobeyed a direct command from God.

 

[fhansen]

fhansen:

Read Gen 3. The very story of the Fall already tells you that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil until after they sinned. Gen 3:22

The problem is that they couldn’t possibly sin unless they know the act is sinful. They were ignorant toward sin so their act was not sinful.

Its not a problem because we’re talking about two different kinds of knowledge. One is intellectual knowledge; they were told the act was sinful. The other was experiential knowledge; they learned for themselves, by personal experience, that the act was sinful. Otherwise, as stated, you have a problem of time; the knowledge of good and evil was obtained only after they committed the act.

 

[Wesrock]

I prefer a different take on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve were created as rational beings. They understood the moral law. They were not ignorant of it. In that sense they knew what was good and what was evil. But they had never experienced evil. Never made a morally evil choice. They never knew the shame that comes with that. The Knowledge they gained wasn’t rational knowledge of the moral law, it was an intimacy with evil they hadn’t known before. They had consciences prior to eating.

 

[Gorgias]

We all know the story of Adam and Eve. I however found a contradiction in story as following: They knew that eating it is wrong/evil (how they could sin if they didn’t know good and evil?) yet they didn’t know good and evil because they haven’t eaten the fruit.

I’m not seeing the contradiction. They knew that eating it was wrong (since God had told them not to eat from that tree), but they hadn’t yet had a personal experience of the effects of sin.

No contradiction there.