How pro-life are Muslims?

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They’re pretty much against abortion. I don’t really know what their views on euthanasia are; sorry.

However, there are more than a few who will kill a Christian or a Jew at the drop of a hat, and they will supply the hat. In my mind, that sort of negates any cultural good will they might have from being anti-abortion/anti-euthanasia. There’s more to being pro-life than that.
 
DaveBj said:
They’re pretty much against abortion. I don’t really know what their views on euthanasia are; sorry.

However, there are more than a few who will kill a Christian or a Jew at the drop of a hat, and they will supply the hat. In my mind, that sort of negates any cultural good will they might have from being anti-abortion/anti-euthanasia. There’s more to being pro-life than that.
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You are not serious…? don’t believe much about what foxnews reports or robort Murdokh’s newscorp or any of his octopus like affiliates.

On the post abortion is Only allowed to safe the the life of the mother and euthanasia is big No No under no circumstance.
 
GoLatin said:
I mean on the issues of abortion and euthanasia.
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Do you mean pro-Muslim-life? Islam totally disregards the rights of non-muslims and consider Jews sub-human (descended from Apes and Pigs). As far as muslims life goes they are very pro-life when it comes to abortion. Once you are born any misfortune that befalls you is considered an act of Allah for punishment of your sins so charity is not strongly stressed. This explains the lack of aid from muslims countries for the Tsunami and Pakistan earthquake victims and why most of the aid came from Christian countries. This is surprising since zakat, or giving to the poor, is one of the pillars of islam. Perhaps some of our muslim readers could explain this disconnect.
 
Islam is anti-abortion I believe, but they have no problem detonating a bomb in a marketplace. Go figure:rolleyes:
thedavidwilson said:
Do you mean pro-Muslim-life? Islam totally disregards the rights of non-muslims and consider Jews sub-human (descended from Apes and Pigs).
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Well to be fair the Talmud speaks very lowly of all gentiles. We’re animals according to that book.
 
RomanCrusader said:
Islam is anti-abortion I believe, but they have no problem detonating a bomb in a marketplace. Go figure:rolleyes:

Well to be fair the Talmud speaks very lowly of all gentiles. We’re animals according to that book.
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no matter how many times you post this, it still isn’t true.
 
thedavidwilson said:
Do you mean pro-Muslim-life? Islam totally disregards the rights of non-muslims and consider Jews sub-human (descended from Apes and Pigs). OHMG…you are not serious are you…? Please, READ As far as muslims life goes they are very pro-life when it comes to abortion. Once you are born any misfortune that befalls you is considered an act of Allah for punishment of your sins so charity is not strongly stressed. **This is far from the truth and it shows how much you know about Islam. **This explains the lack of aid from Muslim countries for the Tsunami and Pakistan earthquake victims and why most of the aid came from Christian countries. Are you sure this the case and have you been to these countries and for fact how much aid they received from say Saudi Arabia or from UAE or it’s just story you heard" This is surprising since zakat, or giving to the poor, is one of the pillars of islam. Perhaps some of our muslim readers could explain this disconnect.
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Holly Lord, where did you get all these ideas from…? honestly and seriously if you just want make Islam to look bad i think it’s not good idea to do it on a catholic forum, yes sure you have right to your opinions but somehow one needs to be factual and objective. don’t you agree…?

Anyway thanks for making me laugh.
 
RomanCrusader said:
Islam is anti-abortion I believe, but they have no problem detonating a bomb in a marketplace. Go figure:rolleyes:

Islam or few misguided, devilish so called Muslims…!

Well to be fair the Talmud speaks very lowly of all gentiles. We’re animals according to that book.
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Well no comment, those who know do know and those who don’t let them seek knowledge.
 
AbeOman said:
Holly Lord, where did you get all these ideas from…? honestly and seriously if you just want make Islam to look bad i think it’s not good idea to do it on a catholic forum, yes sure you have right to your opinions but somehow one needs to be factual and objective. don’t you agree…?

Anyway thanks for making me laugh.
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This is an old article but it shows the amounts given by the various countries. Note how some muslim organizations upped thier donations after a story ran on their stinginess.

rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/01/cc04b256-453b-4fed-a79b-0186b96ebf70.html

How much aid from muslim countries goes to non-muslim countries. Compare this to the aid the US gives to the Palestinians and the two mentioned disasters. US government gives $10bln a year. This is in addition to over $130 billion a year that individual US citizens and organizations give in forign aid. I am just wondering what is the record of muslim countries.

"Where are the Arabs?
One does not get an impression that Arabs are benevolent people. They have billions of dollars. But most monies go to build palaces and printing free Quran booklets. None goes into other worthy causes. Most of the destruction has happened in a Muslim country of Indonesia. Still a paltry sum has been promised by Arab Kingdoms. They should remember that all their oil wealth passes thru the narrow straits of Indonesia and Singapore. Indonesia’s lack of co-operation in movement of this commerce will jeopardize their wealth. " saag.org/papers13/paper1215.html
 
RomanCrusader said:
You yourself basically admitted the entire Talmud was a load of Christ/Mary/Christian bashing.
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you must be mistaken R.C.

Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”

Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
you must be mistaken R.C.

Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”

**Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.” **

Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
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Which Talmud Edition did you get your quotes from? I ask only because you’ve quoted mistranslations and lies. For your convenience I’llpost the complete folio of Abodah Zara 26b as an example of your error:

‘Abodah Zarah 26b

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though they must not be cast in, but minim,1 informers, and apostates may be cast in, and need not be brought up.’ Whereupon R. Johanan remarked: I have been learning that the words, And so shalt thou do with every lost thing of thy brother’s [thou mayest not hide thyself],2 are also applicable to an apostate, and you say he may be thrown down; leave out apostates! Could he not have answered that the one might apply to the kind of apostate who eats carrion meat to satisfy his appetite,3 and the other to an apostate who eats carrion meat to provoke? — In his opinion, an apostate eating carrion meat to provoke is the same as a min.4

It has been stated: [In regard to the term] apostate there is a divergence of opinion between R. Aha and Rabina; one says that [he who eats forbidden food] to satisfy his appetite, is an apostate, but [he who does it] to provoke is a ‘min’; while the other says that even [one who does it] to provoke is merely an apostate. — And who is a ‘min’? — One who actually worships idols.5

An objection was raised: If one eats a flea or a gnat he is an apostate. Now such a thing could only be done to provoke, and yet we are taught that he is merely an apostate! — Even in that case he may just be trying to see what a forbidden thing tastes like.

The Master said: ‘They may be cast in and need not be brought up’ — if they may be cast in need it be said that they need not be brought up? — Said R. Joseph b. Hama in the name of R. Shesheth: What is meant to convey is that if there was a step in the pit-wall, one may scrape it away, giving as a reason for doing so, the prevention of cattle being lured by the step to get unto the pit. Raba and R. Joseph both of them said: It means to convey that if there is a stone lying by the pit opening, one may cover the pit with it, saying that he does it for [the safety] of passing animals. Rabina said: It is meant to convey that if there is a ladder there, he may remove it, saying, I want it for getting my son down from a roof.

Our Rabbis taught: An Israelite may perform a circumcision on a heathen for the purpose of becoming a proselyte — thus excluding [the purpose of] removing a morana.6 But a heathen should not [be allowed to] perform circumcision on an Israelite, because he is liable to take his life. This is the opinion of R. Meir. The Sages said: A heathen may circumcise an Israelite, so long as others are standing by him, but not while he is on his own.7 R. Meir, however, said: Not even when others are standing by, for he may find occasion to let the knife slip and so sterilise him. Does then R. Meir hold the opinion that a heathen is not [to be allowed to circumcise]? But the opposite is proved by the following: In a town where there is no Jewish physician, but there is a physician who is a Cuthean as well as one who is an idolater, circumcision should be performed by the idolater but not by the Cuthean.8 This is the opinion of R. Meir. R. Judah, however, said: It should be performed by the Cuthean but not by the idolater?9 — Reverse [the names]: R. Meir holding that the Cuthean and not the idolater should circumcise, and R. Judah holding the idolater and not the Cuthean. Does then R. Judah hold that it is in order for an idolater to do so? Surely it has been taught: R. Judah said: Whence can it be deduced that circumcision performed by a heathen is invalid? From this verse, And as for thee, thou shalt keep my covenant!10 — Indeed, do not reverse, but say that we are here dealing
 
Valke2 said:
Which Talmud Edition did you get your quotes from?
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the one my orthodox jewish neighbor let me borrow (if you want the exact edition/ copyright date you will have to wait till tomorrow so i can ask to see it again).
Also are each of them different?
 
thedavidwilson said:
This is an old article but it shows the amounts given by the various countries. Note how some muslim organizations upped thier donations after a story ran on their stinginess.

rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/01/cc04b256-453b-4fed-a79b-0186b96ebf70.html

How much aid from muslim countries goes to non-muslim countries. Compare this to the aid the US gives to the Palestinians “I miss that point again, how much aid the US gives to the Palestinians…?” and the two mentioned disasters. US government gives $10bln a year. This is in addition to over $130 billion a year that individual US citizens and organizations give in forign aid. I am just wondering what is the record of muslim countries.

Who does the US gives 10 billion a year…Israel the lion share and Egypt…you know that…?
"Where are the Arabs?
One does not get an impression that Arabs are benevolent people. They have billions of dollars. But most monies go to build palaces and printing free Quran booklets. None goes into other worthy causes. Most of the destruction has happened in a Muslim country of Indonesia. Still a paltry sum has been promised by Arab Kingdoms. They should remember that all their oil wealth passes thru the narrow straits of Indonesia and Singapore. Indonesia’s lack of co-operation in movement of this commerce will jeopardize their wealth. " saag.org/papers13/paper1215.html
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**Yes, initial responses was awful, even the US donated like US$5 million then again these Arabs are honestly bad people…😦
I agree they should stop building palaces and donate generously like any other civilized people.

One last note, do you have any friends from Bendar Ache or from Indonesia or have you ever been to indonesia or if you live anywhere near DC just visit their embassy and proof me wrong.

Thanks,**
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
the one my orthodox jewish neighbor let me borrow (if you want the exact edition/ copyright date you will have to wait till tomorrow so i can ask to see it again).
Also are each of them different?
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really? And you pulled those lovely quotes from that Talmud? I don’t think so. It might do you some good to get the Talmud and look for those quotes you cited.
 
Valke2 said:
really? And you pulled those lovely quotes from that Talmud? I don’t think so. It might do you some good to get the Talmud and look for those quotes you cited.
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yup really…oh wait being a goyim I guess I should of not been allowed near it;)
 
Valke2 said:
Which Talmud Edition did you get your quotes from? I ask only because you’ve quoted mistranslations and lies. For your convenience I’llpost the complete folio of Abodah Zara 26b as an example of your error:

‘Abodah Zarah 26b

Dilling discussion of highlighted text
though they must not be cast in, but minim,1 informers, and apostates may be cast in, and need not be brought up.’ Whereupon R. Johanan remarked: I have been learning that the words, And so shalt thou do with every lost thing of thy brother’s [thou mayest not hide thyself],2 are also applicable to an apostate, and you say he may be thrown down; leave out apostates! Could he not have answered that the one might apply to the kind of apostate who eats carrion meat to satisfy his appetite,3 and the other to an apostate who eats carrion meat to provoke? — In his opinion, an apostate eating carrion meat to provoke is the same as a min.4

It has been stated: [In regard to the term] apostate there is a divergence of opinion between R. Aha and Rabina; one says that [he who eats forbidden food] to satisfy his appetite, is an apostate, but [he who does it] to provoke is a ‘min’; while the other says that even [one who does it] to provoke is merely an apostate. — And who is a ‘min’? — One who actually worships idols.5

An objection was raised: If one eats a flea or a gnat he is an apostate. Now such a thing could only be done to provoke, and yet we are taught that he is merely an apostate! — Even in that case he may just be trying to see what a forbidden thing tastes like.

The Master said: ‘They may be cast in and need not be brought up’ — if they may be cast in need it be said that they need not be brought up? — Said R. Joseph b. Hama in the name of R. Shesheth: What is meant to convey is that if there was a step in the pit-wall, one may scrape it away, giving as a reason for doing so, the prevention of cattle being lured by the step to get unto the pit. Raba and R. Joseph both of them said: It means to convey that if there is a stone lying by the pit opening, one may cover the pit with it, saying that he does it for [the safety] of passing animals. Rabina said: It is meant to convey that if there is a ladder there, he may remove it, saying, I want it for getting my son down from a roof.

Our Rabbis taught: An Israelite may perform a circumcision on a heathen for the purpose of becoming a proselyte — thus excluding [the purpose of] removing a morana.6 But a heathen should not [be allowed to] perform circumcision on an Israelite, because he is liable to take his life. This is the opinion of R. Meir. The Sages said: A heathen may circumcise an Israelite, so long as others are standing by him, but not while he is on his own.7 R. Meir, however, said: Not even when others are standing by, for he may find occasion to let the knife slip and so sterilise him. Does then R. Meir hold the opinion that a heathen is not [to be allowed to circumcise]? But the opposite is proved by the following: In a town where there is no Jewish physician, but there is a physician who is a Cuthean as well as one who is an idolater, circumcision should be performed by the idolater but not by the Cuthean.8 This is the opinion of R. Meir. R. Judah, however, said: It should be performed by the Cuthean but not by the idolater?9 — Reverse [the names]: R. Meir holding that the Cuthean and not the idolater should circumcise, and R. Judah holding the idolater and not the Cuthean. Does then R. Judah hold that it is in order for an idolater to do so? Surely it has been taught: R. Judah said: Whence can it be deduced that circumcision performed by a heathen is invalid? From this verse, And as for thee, thou shalt keep my covenant!10 — Indeed, do not reverse, but say that we are here dealing
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Valke2,

Is judiasm like the LDS, a text can have many different meanings depending on who is doing the interperting?:confused:
 
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