How psychologically twisted is this?

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Hi, all. There is a former friend of mine who suffered quite a bit of sexual and possibly other abuse as a child, has been diagnosed with possible manic-depression, and as a result of the issues inherent in her Jerry Springer-esque family, is extremely manipulative, passive-aggressive, sexually promiscuous and generally flirtatious with anyone and everyone, has sporadically been addicted to various drugs and is socially and emotionally stunted to the point that though she’s chronologically 24, her actions and reactions to people and events are those of a 12 year old who is overly clinging, in constant need of validation and reassurance/approval, and unquestioningly believes she is the victim of everyone else’s designs. Knowing all of that, how much of this behavior could one consider sinful/possibly of the Devil, and which is simply symptomatic of the abuse/molestation/etc. she has endured?
 
I’m not a shrink or a priest, but this strongly sounds like she is psychologically sick, not possessed.

Tell her to speak to a doc if your really scared for her mental health.
 
Bipolar disorder, unfortunately, runs in my family and actually, extreme promiscuity is a symptom of a manic phase. But I"m not a doctor, so I will refrain from diagnosing. Get her to see one, though…
 
Hi, all. There is a former friend of mine who suffered quite a bit of sexual and possibly other abuse as a child, has been diagnosed with possible manic-depression, and as a result of the issues inherent in her Jerry Springer-esque family, is extremely manipulative, passive-aggressive, sexually promiscuous and generally flirtatious with anyone and everyone, has sporadically been addicted to various drugs and is socially and emotionally stunted to the point that though she’s chronologically 24, her actions and reactions to people and events are those of a 12 year old who is overly clinging, in constant need of validation and reassurance/approval, and unquestioningly believes she is the victim of everyone else’s designs. Knowing all of that, how much of this behavior could one consider sinful/possibly of the Devil, and which is simply symptomatic of the abuse/molestation/etc. she has endured?
Why is she a former friend of yours?

Your scope of influence in her life is limited by being a former friend.

Perhaps you can ask your priest what direction you should take at this point. I am not suggesting you have not done that already, nor judging you or what she may have done for this to be a former friendship. I hope you know I am not being critical of you because I bet you are hurting over this or you would not have posted about this tragic situation.

I wish I could be more helpful here, and I can’t be. I don’t know enough about the situation or how you can still be helpful to her in any meaningful way.

Have you forgiven her for anything she did badly towards you is my first thought now?

Don’t reply- it’s not important you justify yourself to any poster here. I simply posed it as a question to think over.

I’m really sorry this is happening, and feel really helpless to be of any use here.

But I had to comment because it was such a heart wrenching situation, and I just can’t stop myself from wishing and hoping that there would not be such things for anyone to have to deal with, but we do.😦

I wish you both the best.
 
I don’t think the OP is asking for medical advice. In fact, here’s the question:
Knowing all of that, how much of this behavior could one consider sinful/possibly of the Devil, and which is simply symptomatic of the abuse/molestation/etc. she has endured?
So, if I may paraphrase, “how much is mental illness from abuse and how much of behavior from temptation?”

Simply put, to be charitable, we do not know.

Once a person is aware of his or her behavior, it is up to them to examine their reasons and impulses. It is up to them to modify their behavior. Can mental illness be a way to avoid personal responsibility? Most certainly, though it is rarely a means to an end.

So the question becomes, “When a person is mentall ill, how much are they responsible for their actions?”

I believe that’s too subjective – to each person – for me to answer ni any generalizations. This is a question society has been trying to answer for years.
 
Sorry in advance … This is quite long.
On the girl, herself: The friendship we developed was unhealthy in every respect. She was infatuated with me in a romantic and sexual sense, and attempted to sway me into a relationship of that kind by telling me, in much greater detail, many of the things I’ve listed above. I was interested in helping and caring for her, and tried to do as much as I could through writing and the phone (she lives in Texas). But she needed constant (sometimes hourly) advice, encouragement, sympathy and whatever else she could squeeze out of me for a host of minor problems; (“I said this to so and so, and now I think they hate me.”, “My mother said this to me in an angry tone, and it hurt… I’m about to cry.”) This went on for nearly 2 years, and I realized that, not only was I being swayed to sin by being idle in wasting my time trying to assuage her mini issues instead of doing my own housework and job-hunting and all that, but that she was wearing my resistance to a relationship down by forever whining and appealing to my emotions in appearing so vulnerably helpless, being sexually seductive towards me very often, and a host of other things. One must realize that, before I decided to convert, and found a man with whom I’m happily involved, I was attracted to both sexes for many years. I sometimes gave into her seduction, and would feel horribly afterwords, and that, among other things too numerous to detail here, is why she is a former friend. I don’t know enough about bipolar disorder, (or sexual abuse) to know if any of these behaviors are typical of either.
Her family is largely to blame, of course. When I said they’re truly worthy of a place in Springer’s cannon, I’m thinking of all the rape, incest, molestation and so-on that she has suffered at their hands, their various drug problems, that many of them (including her own mother) have no education beyond junior high, etc. and are incredibly lazy (there is always an excuse, no money, someone had it in for them, too little time, etc) why nothing practical is ever accomplished. They live off of whomever will take them in, none have steady jobs, insurance, manners, I could go on. Unfortunately, they have passed these behaviors onto her, and as much as I want to help her, I cannot think of any way which doesn’t involve either coddling her to no end, or telling her bluntly what her problems are, and how she might solve them, neither of which works. If she thinks she is being criticized, her immediate response is either to cry, or to emotionally shut down and abruptly leave, then to call her critic heartless and accuse her of having issues. Any small disagreement was cause for ending the friendship permanently, but that inevitably lasted a day or two, and then she’d be begging to talk with me again, needing my help, missing me too much, lonely and sad and wanting me sexually, or whatever else, and I’d feel sorry for her plight and continue the friendship against my better, logical judgement. In the meantime, she’d barely have fixed any of her own difficulties, but if some small improvement had by chance been made, she expected to be praised and complimented for every bit of it. And I, as one of the very few friends she had, was allowing myself to be manipulated by all of these whims and moods and stories of hers. For my own mental and emotional health, (I’m a depressive), as well as the health of my soul, I had to leave that environment and now refuse to contact her, or respond to any contact she tries to begin, as this codependent, unhealthy cycle will only renew itself.
She has never stayed in therapy for more than a few sessions. Either there is no money, or the therapist is flirting with her (keep in mind that about 90 per cent of the things which happen to her, as she interprets them, involve someone being sexually attracted to her, or vice versa, and many times, said attraction is concluded inappropriately, hence the incest and so-on.) I’ve heard so much of this over the last couple of years that I highly doubt a good bit of it is true, which makes me doubt a large amount of what she says, especially as she only reveals her motives gradually if at all. I have experienced firsthand how she can view someone’s attentions as sweet while they are in the room, but once their presence is removed, they become yet another monster in the procession of folks who have used her for something.

I’m sorry to burden you all with all this junk, but it’s been troubling me for years now, and I’m not sure if there is anything I could have or should have done for her, or if it is simply best to avoid her as what she does is only leading me into sins of all types?
 
as what she does is only leading me into sins of all types?
She may lead a horse to water, but she cannot make it drink (she may tempt you to sin, but you’re the final authority on that).
For my own mental and emotional health, (I’m a depressive), as well as the health of my soul, I had to leave that environment and now refuse to contact her, or respond to any contact she tries to begin, as this codependent, unhealthy cycle will only renew itself.
It sounds as if you’ve already made positive steps for your self-defense and emotional well-being. Be honest with yourself: if she has problems greater than your ability to support as a friend, of you feel she has become an emotional vampire, you need to move away from this. Especially in light of your ‘noble effort,’ you are not responsible for her welfare. Since you have supported her emotionally through bouts of therapy, I cannot see what more you can do for her, except pray.

You state that you are not in contact with her anymore – so, why are you feeling responsible?
 
On the flip side of all of this, she is a classic people-pleaser, and was extremely charming, adorably endearing, or anything else she could think to be when and if I refused her something, didn’t give into her requests for friendship renewal immediately, etc. And that’s yet another reason why said friendship was incredibly unhealthy.
 
She may lead a horse to water, but she cannot make it drink (she may tempt you to sin, but you’re the final authority on that).

It sounds as if you’ve already made positive steps for your self-defense and emotional well-being. Be honest with yourself: if she has problems greater than your ability to support as a friend, of you feel she has become an emotional vampire, you need to move away from this. Especially in light of your ‘noble effort,’ you are not responsible for her welfare. Since you have supported her emotionally through bouts of therapy, I cannot see what more you can do for her, except pray.

You state that you are not in contact with her anymore – so, why are you feeling responsible?
Frankly, I know that I cannot resist what she offers, unless A. I view what she is doing/tempting me to do as sinful and not psychologically healthy for all involved, or B. Remind myself of the guilt I will bear towards myself, and my current partner. I have been very, very easily moved by her efforts to be seductive, vulnerable, etc. and I know I will continue to be if the friendship is allowed to go on. As a potential convert to the faith, part of my efforts to reflect it in my daily life include rooting out the behaviors I formerly practiced which are sinful. However, I feel responsible because I was really her only emotional support for 2 years, I could not explain clearly to her why the friendship needed to end, (a fact she still hasn’t quite accepted) and since I knew about all of her various problems, I wanted to somehow save her from the toxic environments in which she was living, the horrible behavioral models she had, etc. and from my location and with limited resources, I cannot do that.
 
We can provide people a way out of their situation, but we cannot save people from themselves. If she is not choosing to accept the way out that you have offered, there is nothing more for you to do. She has free choice, and we cannot impose our own will on other people.
 
It simply boils down to me being very, very confused. I want to help her, but that appears impossible without either of us using one another for various things. I will not endanger myself in any way for someone else’s sake, especially as this is her MO with everyone, until she can find someone who will give her everything she wants: all the basic needs, constant emotional bolstering and a fix for her problems, plus whatever sexual needs she has. Doing all of this for anyone is exhausting, and leaves one drained in every sense, and yet I wonder, if I do not fulfill these desires and needs of hers, who else will take the time to try?
 
It simply boils down to me being very, very confused. I want to help her, but that appears impossible without either of us using one another for various things. I will not endanger myself in any way for someone else’s sake, especially as this is her MO with everyone, until she can find someone who will give her everything she wants: all the basic needs, constant emotional bolstering and a fix for her problems, plus whatever sexual needs she has. Doing all of this for anyone is exhausting, and leaves one drained in every sense, and yet I wonder, if I do not fulfill these desires and needs of hers, who else will take the time to try?
Others have said this already and you seem to have figured it out.

Some people need (and/or want) help. Other people would like to help them. Some people who would like to help are not actually in a position to help. It seems that you are not in a position to help this woman except by prayer. When around her you were apparently harming both yourself and her. It seems as if you have made the correct decision by backing off. It is the most loving thing you could have done.
 
I’ve seen passive aggression as a result of abuse, and that by ITSELF is extremely ugly. I, too tried to be a friend, but got burned and the only way she finally shaped up was by me letting her know that she was behaving like a j*rk. Like others said, slooowly. back. away. Prayer is marvelous, though.
 
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