How sacred is the Altar?

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There is an instruction from the Church (from 1987) about the holding of concerts in the body of a church building. Part of that instruction says:
10. When the proposal is made that there should be a concert in a church, the Ordinary is to grant the permission per modum actus. These concerts should be occasional events. This excludes permission for a series of concerts, for example in the case of a festival or a cycle of concerts.

When the Ordinary considers it to be necessary, he can, in the conditions foreseen in the Code of Canon Law (can. 1222, para. 2) designate a church that is no longer used for divine service, to be an “auditorium” for the performance of sacred or religious music, and also of music not specifically religious but in keeping with the character of the place.

In this task the bishop should be assisted by the diocesan commission for Liturgy and sacred music.

In order that the sacred character of a church be conserved in the matter of concerts, the Ordinary can specify that:

a. Requests are to be made in writing, in good time, indicating the date and time of the proposed concert, the program, giving the works and the names of the composers.
b. After having received the authorization of the Ordinary, the rectors and parish priests of the churches should arranged details with the choir and orchestra so that the requisite norms are observed.
c. Entrance to the church must be without payment and open to all.
d. The performers and the audience must be dressed in a manner which is fitting to the sacred character of the place.
e. The musicians and the singers should not be placed in the sanctuary. The greatest respect is to be shown to the altar, the president’s chair and the ambo.
f. The Blessed Sacrament should be, as far as possible, reserved in a side chapel or in another safe and suitably adorned place (Cf. C.I.C., can 928, par. 4).
g. The concert should be presented or introduced not only with historical or technical details, but also in a way that fosters a deeper understanding and an interior participation on the part of the listeners.
h. The organizer of the concert will declare in writing that he accepts legal responsibilities for expenses involved, for leaving the church in order and for any possible damage incurred.
I guess I have to ask if such laws you list above were in place Before Vatican II?

I have my reservations with good reason. Many concerts I’ve seen in a Catholic Church are ecumenical in nature with Christian Rock music being aired from the Sanctuary with coffee cups strewn all over the Altar and even on the Tabernacle. This only gets my anger going seeing this kind of desecration. And the fact after humbly asking a priest whom I served to removed the Holy Presence of Jesus in the Tabernacle which for some reason he refused. Ugh! makes me ill.

Not my type of music in this ultra modern new age where anything goes, which does absolutely nothing to edify my spiritual resolve. Then again I’m not wholly particular about ecumenism in the first place, placing other Christian religions on the same footing as the Catholic Church.
 
I guess I have to ask if such laws you list above were in place Before Vatican II?

I have my reservations with good reason. Many concerts I’ve seen in a Catholic Church are ecumenical in nature with Christian Rock music being aired from the Sanctuary with coffee cups strewn all over the Altar and even on the Tabernacle. This only gets my anger going seeing this kind of desecration. And the fact after humbly asking a priest whom I served to removed the Holy Presence of Jesus in the Tabernacle which for some reason he refused. Ugh! makes me ill.

Not my type of music in this ultra modern new age where anything goes, which does absolutely nothing to edify my spiritual resolve. Then again I’m not wholly particular about ecumenism in the first place, placing other Christian religions on the same footing as the Catholic Church.
How many concerts have you seen in a Catholic Church where coffee cups are strewn on the altar and tabernacle? You make it sound like it is a common occurence, and that I do not believe. I’ve been to plenty and have NEVER seen that. I believe it might have occured, but not to the level you are suggesting.
 
How many concerts have you seen in a Catholic Church where coffee cups are strewn on the altar and tabernacle? You make it sound like it is a common occurence, and that I do not believe. I’ve been to plenty and have NEVER seen that. I believe it might have occured, but not to the level you are suggesting.
I was this close to posting the same thing, but I held back because it seems so unlikely. I think we can all safely interpret “many concerts I’ve seen” as “one or two instances I’ve read about on the internet.”
 
How many concerts have you seen in a Catholic Church where coffee cups are strewn on the altar and tabernacle? You make it sound like it is a common occurence, and that I do not believe. I’ve been to plenty and have NEVER seen that. I believe it might have occured, but not to the level you are suggesting.
Three concerts in a span of 10 years as Sacristan/Custodian of my Parish. And you would question my integrity? Its a far different cry when your a parishioner in the pew every Sunday who very rarely is able to perceive what goes on behind the scenes in a Catholic Church. I see things even a priest is not aware of.
 
Three concerts in a span of 10 years as Sacristan/Custodian of my Parish. And you would question my integrity? Its a far different cry when your a parishioner in the pew every Sunday who very rarely is able to perceive what goes on behind the scenes in a Catholic Church.
Well, be careful with your hyperbolic claims ("Using a glass chalice is SACRILEGE!!!11!!") and then you’ll be taken more seriously on related topics. Sorry to have to put it that way.
 
Well, be careful with your hyperbolic claims ("Using a glass chalice is SACRILEGE!!!11!!") and then you’ll be taken more seriously on related topics. Sorry to have to put it that way.
Now that’s a crass statement friend. What did I say to injure you?
 
Three concerts in a span of 10 years as Sacristan/Custodian of my Parish. And you would question my integrity? Its a far different cry when your a parishioner in the pew every Sunday who very rarely is able to perceive what goes on behind the scenes in a Catholic Church.
Three, in ten years, although three too many times, hardly constitutes “many”. I’m not questioning your integrity. I just think you may have exaggerated a bit. You made it sound like this happens all the time, which it most assuredly does not.
 
Now that’s a crass statement friend. What did I say to injure you?
I’m just telling you that if you hurl around crass accusations (priests who use glass vessels are guilty of “SACRILEGE!”) it boomerangs and impacts the rest of what you say. I didn’t intend any offense.
 
Three, in ten years, although three too many times, hardly constitutes “many”. I’m not questioning your integrity. I just think you may have exaggerated a bit. You made it sound like this happens all the time, which it most assuredly does not.
Three times too many? How about one time too many. Fact is it should NEVER happen at all. NO EXCUSE.
 
Three times too many? How about one time too many. Fact is it should NEVER happen at all.
Perhaps you don’t understand the expression? You said it happened three times, and CB Catholic said that’s “three times too many”, which means it should have happened zero times. Saying three times is only “one time too many” means it’s okay for it happen twice.
 
Perhaps you don’t understand the expression? You said it happened three times, and CB Catholic said that’s “three times too many”, which means it should have happened zero times. Saying three times is only “one time too many” means it’s okay for it happen twice.
Actually; I do understand the expression. I used one time too many deliberately to show that mistakes can be made once or subsequent times. Had I said 0 times I’d have no need to mention such errors.

Peace
Chris
 
Regarding the Altar, this is what the GIRM states should be placed on it:
  1. Only what is required for the celebration of the Mass may be placed on the mensa of the altar: namely, from the beginning of the celebration until the proclamation of the Gospel, the Book of the Gospels; then from the Presentation of the Gifts until the purification of the vessels, the chalice with the paten, a ciborium if necessary, and, finally, the corporal, the purificator, the pall, and the Missal.
I hope this helps.
 
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