How should a Traditionalist Catholic

[JKirkLVNV]

Mahatma Gandhi was not holy. He may have had some good intentions with his peaceful ways. But he also believed in the caste system, which is in my opinion against the most basic of human rights, that all men are created equal. So admire his non-confrontational ways if you want, but know the man as well.

Everything I’ve read states that he rejected the caste system and that he defended the untouchables, refering to them as “the children of God.”

 

[maurin]

I got lucky!

I don’t think luck had anything to do with it! I enjoy reading your posts and always learn something from them. Thank you!!

 

[thecoach]

Ditto most everyone else. Whatever his great qualities, we know he knew of Christ but failed to embrace him and his Church. Only God knows if he has been held culpable for this rejection. As another pointed out, there are so many examples of fully Christian holiness out there, there’s no need to hold up a respectable non-Christian in their place.

Im sorry, but the tunnel vision here is amazing to me! So according to you all, there is nothing good at all in the man to be admired because he wasnt Catholic? Im sorry, I will not subscribe to such a narrow view. Am I saying to look to Ghandi as a religious model? Perhaps not, but then again, his self-discipline is to be most admired, and can be applied to anyone. Many CAtholics would do well to even come close to such integrity.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

I don’t believe that there is any evidence that he did not believe in God. And while he may not have been able to embrace Christianity because of centuries of oppression of his people by Christians and inaedquate modelling of the truths of Christianity, he did indeed follow the “way” of Christ in seeking peace. Quite frankly he lived the message of Christ far better than most Christians I have ever encountered. I personally expect, assuming I make it myself, to see many who did their best to find the “narrow gate” but may not have made it to the Catholic faith.

Ghandi’s main gripe with Christianity is how Christians in the Church of England mistreated his people. Therefore, he had a warped view of Christianity to begin with – therefore he may not be culpable in not becoming a Christian. He loved Jesus, and showed it more than many “Christians” do.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

Im sorry, but the tunnel vision here is amazing to me! So according to you all, there is nothing good at all in the man to be admired because he wasnt Catholic? Im sorry, I will not subscribe to such a narrow view. Am I saying to look to Ghandi as a religious model? Perhaps not, but then again, his self-discipline is to be most admired, and can be applied to anyone. Many CAtholics would do well to even come close to such integrity.

Excuse me while I remove the words you just placed in my mouth. I precisely said “whatever his great qualities.” Not just good, but great. I was trying to acknowledge that there were some very commendable things about him. BUT at the same time, if you’re looking for a champion of the poor, someone who united himself to the downtrodden and oppressed, you’ve already got role models who ALSO worshipped Christ truly and fully. If you’re looking for integrity or wisdom, once again we’ve got those who more fully grasped the truth and lived in greater conformity with it. So why use an example for whom you need to insert certain caveats when you can use an example of “heroic virtue” who is known to be in heaven? Many Catholics could do well to come close to his integrity, but many have also, we can be absolutely sure, done at least as good (if he made it to heaven) if not better (if he didn’t).

 

[thecoach]

Excuse me while I remove the words you just placed in my mouth. I precisely said “whatever his great qualities.” Not just good, but great. I was trying to acknowledge that there were some very commendable things about him. BUT at the same time, if you’re looking for a champion of the poor, someone who united himself to the downtrodden and oppressed, you’ve already got role models who ALSO worshipped Christ truly and fully. If you’re looking for integrity or wisdom, once again we’ve got those who more fully grasped the truth and lived in greater conformity with it. So why use an example for whom you need to insert certain caveats when you can use an example of “heroic virtue” who is known to be in heaven? Many Catholics could do well to come close to his integrity, but many have also, we can be absolutely sure, done at least as good (if he made it to heaven) if not better (if he didn’t).

first, I find and recognize virtue in many places. what’s more, what do you mean when you say what you do? Catholic virtues are far from exclusively CAtholic, they are found in many places. Endurance of suffering, for example, is also a Stoic virtue. So again, a narrow view is just that, a narrow view.