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Sue said:We have men who are not ordained clergy and women giving the homily in our parish. According to our Pastoral Administrator, when confronted, our Bishop supports this practice. I think more parishioners would complain if they knew it was an abuse. How do I elevate the issue? Do I go directly to the Vatican? Is there a document stating the process? Thank you.
As was already noted above, the homily on account of its importance and its nature is reserved to the Priest or Deacon during Mass.260 As regards other forms of preaching, if necessity demands it in particular circumstances, or if usefulness suggests it in special cases, lay members of Christ’s faithful may be allowed to preach in a church or in an oratory outside Mass in accordance with the norm of law.261 This may be done only on account of a scarcity of sacred ministers in certain places, in order to meet the need, and it may not be transformed from an exceptional measure into an ordinary practice, nor may it be understood as an authentic form of the advancement of the laity.262 All must remember besides that the faculty for giving such permission belongs to the local Ordinary, and this as regards individual instances; this permission is not the competence of anyone else, even if they are Priests or Deacons. **scroll down the document and near the end remedies are listed. But please talk to your pastor or administrator before you go over his head.
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Br. Rich,Begin with the pastor. A letter from several people works wonders, when one lone voice is often ignored. Next send the Bishop a letter if not satisfied with the pastors response. If not satisfied with the Bishops response. (always request a response by the way) Write the ArchBishop unless you are already in an Archdiocese. The next step would be the Papal Nuncio in Washington DC. Always with kindness and respect.
I figured this would come up. I try hard not to scandalize the previous bishop but sometimes it’s inevitable. Oakland, CA. We were probably 2nd in line after Rochester as far as abuses. Unfortunately, most of the crazies spreading heresy come from my diocese. They’re not too happy right now.Excellant!!!
Would you mention your diocese?
SuZ
Yes, this picture is quite famous. Notice the polka dots and pom-poms on his stole. That used to be my local parish. This is why we drove cross town to go to Mass! This priest is one of those who exports dissent to diocese around the country.http://www.stjosephsmen.com/letters/images/clowns_small.jpg
I’m glad everything worked out in getting a new Bishop- Hopefully he does not allow clown masses in his diocese.
I notice you said Pastoral Administrator… Do you have a priest assigned to your parish? Are these “homilies” being delivered at a Mass that’s being celebrated by a priest?We have men who are not ordained clergy and women giving the homily in our parish. According to our Pastoral Administrator, when confronted, our Bishop supports this practice.
Since I’m getting many inquiries as to others who may be working on trying to influence orthodoxy in their diocese, I suggest you go to www.catholicmediacoalition.org Go to locate CMC members and click on the map! Some are working on CD’s and some don’t think they have the technical expertise and would love help if you or someone you know has this skill!When I was reading this thread, I was thinking “could this be anywhere but the Diocese of Rochester?”. We have for years have women and lay preachers “open the word”…they don’t give homilies of course because that wouldn’t be allowed. I have a letter from the Director of Liturgy of the Diocese explaining the Bishop’s wish to continue this wonderful tradition we have. Now only “certified lay preachers” speak after the gospel. They usually leave Mass as soon as they finish the “unhomily”.
If there are any other Catholics from the spiritual desert of the Diocese of Rochester who are interested in approaching Rome is such a manner, I am all ears.
Please pray for Bishop Clark. He is the man God sent to us to be Bishop. For reasons known to God alone, apparently we was the man chosen to be our leader just now. Lord have mercy.
P.S. Get video tape of the lay homilists. Document, document, document!Since I’m getting many inquiries as to others who may be working on trying to influence orthodoxy in their diocese, I suggest you go to www.catholicmediacoalition.org Go to locate CMC members and click on the map! Some are working on CD’s and some don’t think they have the technical expertise and would love help if you or someone you know has this skill!
I can not say that I have recently witnessed this phenomenon, and I’m in that diocese.When I was reading this thread, I was thinking “could this be anywhere but the Diocese of Rochester?” … Now only “certified lay preachers” speak after the gospel. They usually leave Mass as soon as they finish the “unhomily”.
What Parish are you in? I would love to go to Mass there.I can not say that I have recently witnessed this phenomenon., and I’m in that diocese.
Sue said:We have men who are not ordained clergy and women giving the homily in our parish. According to our Pastoral Administrator, when confronted, our Bishop supports this practice. I think more parishioners would complain if they knew it was an abuse. How do I elevate the issue? Do I go directly to the Vatican? Is there a document stating the process? Thank you.
If any bishop would be willing to assist, it would be Vigneron. He’s a good, solid, orthodox bishop. If you don’t want him, would you be so kind as to send him back to Detroit? I’ll even pay shipping & handling!wow, Oakland, and you got Vigneron, good job, think I will invest in a CD burner and video camera