How the Quran was written

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It is my understanding that Mohammed was iliterate. And so he dictated his thoughts to others. These thoughts were writtenon whatever was on hand but put in no special order. Then when Mohammed died some of the writings made it into the Quran and some did not.

I am really cleaning up and paraphrasing what I have read. Please elaborate on how the Quran was written and who decided what should go into it.
 
Donna P:
Please elaborate on how the Quran was written and who decided what should go into it.
Im not sure if your looking for some detailed historical information or something brief. I can post something brief, but if you are looking for further more detailed reading on this, refer to 'Introduction to the Sciences of the Quran" by Yasir Qadhi, published by Al-Hidaayah (islamicbookstore.com should have it).

If you’re looking for a brief history on how the quran was compiled, refer to:
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Donna P:
It is my understanding that Mohammed was iliterate. And so he dictated his thoughts to others. These thoughts were writtenon whatever was on hand but put in no special order. Then when Mohammed died some of the writings made it into the Quran and some did not.

I am really cleaning up and paraphrasing what I have read. Please elaborate on how the Quran was written and who decided what should go into it.
Just thinking out loud.

We had lost all oppurtunity to find out what would be the content of all the other copies and records of the earliest Quranic messages, had Caliph Uthman not commanded them to be destroyed.

They might be some different dialects or pronounciation or different verses altogether, etc. we never know.
 
Reuben J:
They might be some different dialects or pronounciation or different verses altogether, etc. we never know.
Actually no, the Uthamic copies of the Quran did maintain the Ahruf (dielects) that were revealed to the Prophet Muhammed.
The different copies that Uthman ordered to be written differed from each other in a few letters. There is no extra verse in any one of the mushafs, but there are additional or different letters in some of the mushafs. This was not done accidentally or by chance. **Rather, these slight changes were done in order to accomodate the various recitations of a particular verse (ie. the Ahruf). ** If the Prophet sulAllahu 'alayhi wassalaam had recited the verse in a number of ways, and it was possible to accommodate all of these recitations in a particular spelling, then the word was written with that spelling. The example of ‘maaliki’ and ‘maliki’ has already been given before. However, if the recitation could not all be accomodated in one spelling, then it was written with one of the recitations of one mushaf, and another recitation in another mushaf. The companions did not write both recitations in one mushaf for fear of confusion between the two.
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The fact that the Uthmanic mushafs differed is known by two ways:
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1) The Qira'at (ie. recitiations that are derived from the Ahruf): Between the various qira'at, there occured changes in letters and sometimes words that cannot be attributed to one script, even if this script were without dots and vowel marks. For example, some of the Qira'at [304] read 91:15 as 'wa laa yakhaafu..." This is the recitation that most of the readers will be familiar with. On the other hand, other Qiraa'at [305] read it as 'fa laa yakhaafu...', changin the waw to a fa. This letter change can not be attributed to the same script, and must indicate a difference in the Mushafs of Uthman. [306] Another example is the qiraa'a of Ibn 'Aamir, who read 3:184 as 'wa bi zuburi wa bil kitaab' whereas the rest of the qira'at read 'wa zuburi wal kitaab' (ie. without the ba letters). Ibn 'Aamir was Syrian, and it is known that the mushaf that Uthman sent to Syria had the two extra ba letters in it, whereas the other mushafs did not. In this example, an actual word was added in one of the mushafs.

2) Visual inspection: The second way it is known that these mushafs differed from one another is by comparing them. Since the various mushafs are not present anymore, reports must be taken from those who were fortunate enough to have read more than one of the original mushafs of Uthman, or at least knew and reported from those who did. In fact, a number of scholars had written books specially on this topic. 

Some authors have mentioned at least ten scholars of the first four centuries of the hijra who had written specific tracts on this topic, amongst them, Al-Kisaa'ee (d. 189 AH), and al-Farraa' (d. 207 A.H). [307] Unfortunately, the only book that remains of these classical works is the work authored by Abdullah ibn Abee Dawood (d. 316 AH), the son of the famous scholar of hadeeth, Aboo Dawood (d. 275 AH), which he entitled Kitaab al-Masaahif. [308]

Khaalid Ibn Iyaas (d. circa 150 AH) reported that he read the mushaf of Uthman and found that it differed with the mushafs of Madeenah in twelve verses, which he quoted. [309] The first of these was 2:132 'wa wasa...' instead of 'wa awsa...' meaning that the first was without an alif, whereas the second was with an alif. This is in the actual script of the mushafs, and it reflected in the differences between the qira'at. Of the ten qira'at, Naafi' and Ibn 'Aamir read it with the alif, whereas the rest do not. In the same way, all of the other differences in the script of the mushaf are still found in the differences between the qiraa'at.

There are more than just twelve differences, though. Khalif ibn Iyaas only compared the mushaf of Uthman with the mushafs of Madeenah. The other mushafs differed from the Madeenah mushaf, as for example in verse 3:184, the mushaf that Uthman sent to Syria had the extra letters, but the others did not. [310]
** These differences, as noted earlier, are only with regards to certian letters and words. There are no verses or phrases that are present in some Mushaf without the others.**
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**Actually, if one reflects over this phenomenon, he will be even more certian that the Qur'aan has been preserved even to the minutest detail. This is so because all of the differences that originated in the different Mushafs of 'Uthman are still found scattered in the various qira'at, showing that the scriptual differences are not accidental, but rather intentional. The Prophet sulAllahu 'alayhi wassalaam used to recite the Qur'an in all of these ways, as will be elaborated upon later.**

**Therefore, the purpose behind these trivial chnages between the mushafs was to preserve the various Ahruf of the Quran**, even to the most minute detail.
303 - Az-Zarqaanee, v.1, p. 262.
304 - Those of 'Aasim, Kisaa’ee, Hamza, Abu ‘Amr and Ibn Katheer.
305 - That of Naafi’ and Ibn 'Aamir.
306 - This point will be better understood after one reads Ch. 11 on the qiraa’at.
307 - cf. Introduction to Ibn Abee Dawood, p. 10.
308 - Unfortunately, the first (and only) person to edit and pubish it was the famous Orientalist scholar Arthur Jeffery (published in Cairo, 1936), as part of his famous work Materials for the History of the Text of the Holy Qur’an, which is discussed in greater detail in Ch. 17.
309 - For these and man more differences, see Ibn Abee Dawood, pps. 37-49.
310 - See al-Hamad, pps. 695-702, where he lists around sixty differences between the various mushafs.
Taken from “Introduction to the Sciences of the Quran” by Yasir Qadhi
 
It’s nearly one and half millenium later. If any of those copies were kept and still intact, they can be dsplayed in Islamic Museum and I would have not been wondering now.

Anyway, we would never know what actually were the content. We need just to depend on heresay, unfortunately.
 
Reuben J:
If any of those copies were kept and still intact, they can be dsplayed in Islamic Museum and I would have not been wondering now.
There are a few manuscripts still present today that are attributed to being the Uthmanic script. This website: islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/ has some detailed info on the origins of the quranic scripts and where some are displayed today, with pictures of the quranic scripts held in some of the museums.

Heres a concise quote regarding the manuscripts taken from iiie.net/Articles/AuthenticQuran.html
The historical credibility of the Qur’an is further established by the fact that one of the copies sent out by the Caliph Uthman is still in existence today. It lies in the Museum of the City of Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Central Asia [41]. A facsimile of the mushaf in Tashkent is available at the Columbia University Library in the USA [42]. This copy is proof that the text of the Qur’an we have in circulation today is identical with that of the time of the Prophet and his companions. A copy of the mushaf sent to Syria (duplicated before a fire in 1310AH/1892CE destroyed the Jaami’ Masjid where it was housed) also exists in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul [43], and an early manuscript on gazelle parchment exists in Dar al-Kutub as-Sultaniyyah in Egypt. More ancient manuscripts from all periods of Islamic history found in the Library of Congress in Washington, the Chester Beatty Museum in Dublin (Ireland) and the London Museum have been compared with those in Tashkent, Turkey and Egypt, with results confirming that there have not been any changes in the text from its original time of writing [44].
The Institute for Koranforschung, for example, in the University of Munich (Germany), collected over 42,000 complete or incomplete ancient copies of the Qur’an. After around fifty years of research, they reported that there was no variance between the various copies, except the occasional mistakes of the copyist which could easily be ascertained. This Institute was unfortunately destroyed by bombs during WWII [45].
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
There are a few manuscripts still present today that are attributed to being the Uthmanic script. This website: islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/ has some detailed info on the origins of the quranic scripts and where some are displayed today, with pictures of the quranic scripts held in some of the museums.

Heres a concise quote regarding the manuscripts taken from iiie.net/Articles/AuthenticQuran.html
Hashi, i appreciate your attempt. …

But those copies destroyed could never be verified of their content now. Simply because they have been destroyed. It’s not like you made a photocopy and then destroyed the original. The original was destroyed without the photocopy done and kept for any future reference.

No. 2, why would the necessity to destroy those copies by caliphate order? Don’t bother to provide answer for that, I know Muslims’ justification for it. Beside that’s not my contention.

Anything done by force would surely had negative repercussion in the critical analysis of that action to the consequence of the crediblity of that religion. Again, please don’t jump into conclusion. I’m not saying that I’m questioning the credibilty of Islam based on this assumption alone.

The destruction of the other original copies of the Quran weakened Islam’s cause more than it helped it. Not in term of getting its followers but in academic analysis.

Secondly, it has become ominously familiar, in the modern days, that in so far as Islamic practices and laws are enforced, you will get government decrees for them. This necessitate the question of how much there’s true freedom of choice in individuals’ spiritual thought and matters.
 
Donna P:
It is my understanding that Mohammed was iliterate. And so he dictated his thoughts to others. These thoughts were writtenon whatever was on hand but put in no special order. Then when Mohammed died some of the writings made it into the Quran and some did not.

I am really cleaning up and paraphrasing what I have read. Please elaborate on how the Quran was written and who decided what should go into it.
Hi Donna.

What I’m trying to say is that the Quran that we have today is the final “edition” that certainly had gone thru initial editing. In my posts I mentioned about Uthman ordering all sets of the Koran manuscripts to be destroyed, shortly after Muhammad’s death. [except the codex of Zaid].

This certainly poses problem for the Quran (I believe) because of the lost manuscript to refer to. Questions arise as to why those manuscripts need to be destroyed at all. Is it because Zaid’s copy was better? If so, how do we know? Did differences in the copies arise so quickly that discrepancies were evident and Uthman recognized the need for a standardized copy lest Islam suffer division? This to my mind raises doubt on the Koran’s supposed incorruptibility.

The Quranic passages are not assembled chronologically. Muhammad couldn’t read or write, so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down. There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad’s lifetime and compiled as a unit. So how could he have verified its truth?
 
Reuben J:
Hi Donna.

The Quranic passages are not assembled chronologically. Muhammad couldn’t read or write, so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down. There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad’s lifetime and compiled as a unit. So how could he have verified its truth?
My point exactly. No one know what Muhammed meant becuase the Quran wasn’t assembled in the orther he dictated it AND much of it was destroyed by someone who may have had alterior motives.

Unlike our bible. Inspired by God.
 
Reuben J:
What I’m trying to say is that the Quran that we have today is the final “edition” that certainly had gone thru initial editing. In my posts I mentioned about Uthman ordering all sets of the Koran manuscripts to be destroyed, shortly after Muhammad’s death. [except the codex of Zaid].
this has been covered in the quote hashi posted. the compilation of the Quran has been recorded in islamic history and when uthman, who was one of prophet muhammad’s closest companions and his son-in-law, compiled the Quran for the final time, there were still a number of prophet muhammad’s major companions present. had there been anything changed from the Quran or anything added to it, you would have found not just one, but many of these companions protesting it.
Reuben J:
Questions arise as to why those manuscripts need to be destroyed at all. Is it because Zaid’s copy was better? If so, how do we know? Did differences in the copies arise so quickly that discrepancies were evident and Uthman recognized the need for a standardized copy lest Islam suffer division?
the answers to these questions are recorded in islamic history itself. yasir qadi, the author of the book hashi referred you to has a chapter on the Quran’s compilation. i suggest you find the book and read it.
Reuben J:
The Quranic passages are not assembled chronologically. Muhammad couldn’t read or write, so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down. There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad’s lifetime and compiled as a unit. So how could he have verified its truth?
the Quran wasn’t meant to be arranged chronologically. whether or not the entire Quran was written down is irrelevant in light of the fact that there were a large number of companions who had memorised the entire Quran from beginning to end and knew it inside and out. zaid bin thaabit and the other companions who helped him in the final compilation were just a couple of those memorisers.
 
Donna P:
My point exactly. No one know what Muhammed meant becuase the Quran wasn’t assembled in the orther he dictated it AND much of it was destroyed by someone who may have had alterior motives.

Unlike our bible. Inspired by God.
Yes, then there is the problem of interpretation of the Quranic verses.Whose interpretations are the correct ones and whose are not.

The prophet recieved the revelations, but for each verse there is no official interpretation by him. One needs to depend on the Hadith or the experiences of his followers on what he would have done or said in the cirscumtances with regard to each verse.

IMHO this is contradictory to the standard the Muslims impose especially on other religions. Like we cannot rely on the teachings and the witnesses of Jesus’ apostles.
 
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r.gonzales:
this has been covered in the quote hashi posted. the compilation of the Quran has been recorded in islamic history and when uthman, who was one of prophet muhammad’s closest companions and his son-in-law, compiled the Quran for the final time, there were still a number of prophet muhammad’s major companions present. had there been anything changed from the Quran or anything added to it, you would have found not just one, but many of these companions protesting it.

the Quran wasn’t meant to be arranged chronologically. whether or not the entire Quran was written down is irrelevant in light of the fact that there were a large number of companions who had memorised the entire Quran from beginning to end and knew it inside and out. zaid bin thaabit and the other companions who helped him in the final compilation were just a couple of those memorisers.
Let summarise our findings so far:-

Muhammad followers decided on the final compilation of the Quran. Muhammad was not there to verify it (since he was already dead at that point in time) like whether he liked what he heard or not (since he was illiterate).

Muslims justification - the final edition had to be the real thing, as there were many companions who would be protesting if it was not.

Poser 1: Who was Uthman? Could any of the companions effectively objected to him or any of his decisions?

Poser 2: Could it be possible the whole group of companions conspired and decided that should be the official text (Quran).
Donna P:
… Then when Mohammed died some of the writings made it into the Quran and some did not.

Please elaborate on how the Quran was written and who decided what should go into it.
Then there is this poser of the original thread. Did all the revelations made it to the book of Quran?

I think it’s important too, to consider the fact that the verses were not recorded in the chronological order. Any verses omitted would have great consequence on the message of the Quran as a whole.
 
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