How to answer a Non Catholic's question about pope?

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The Pope is an apostle just not in the strictest sense of the word. Maybe, I should have been more clear :).
 
Catholics are allowed to be rich,

there is no suggested that Catholics have to be poor. If you join certain orders then one must do something towards poverty but if not then there is absolute no requirement that one shouldn’t be rich.

Plus what we see on TV needn’t necessarily be as glamourous. We actually see very little of his home. We only see the offices and cathedral etc if anything and it needs to be kept up because its in the public eye alot. We don’t actually know what his home or if he has rooms in the Vatican, what they are like exactly.

Its okay to be Catholic and Rich if you are not in any Order that requires an element of Poverty
 
What is important, no matter one’s state in life, is that the person follow the Gospel of Christ.

We are to be detached from any and all things and to possess God and His kingdom alone.
There is always in the spiritual life the working of detachment. So it is all the more important not to judge others by appearances.

John Paul II slept on the floor with a pillow before he was chosen to be pope. While pope, he practiced many austere penances. The outward riches in the Church belong to Christ alone.

So the only Person Who owns anything in the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ. His ecclesiastics Whom He has chosen simply administrate. However, because they are appointed and chosen, does not mean they are perfect.

Finally, the other point is that the members of the Church are called upon daily to pray for those who administrate the Church, and when they have failed, we are partly to blame for our lack of prayers and penance for them.
 
Hi, I’m new here and this is exaxtly what I have been wondering. I’m catholic and love the faith, just a bit worried about the Pope having the finest linens, the best food, his own city etc. can somebody help me put my mind at ease?
 
Hi, I’m new here and this is exaxtly what I have been wondering. I’m catholic and love the faith, just a bit worried about the Pope having the finest linens, the best food, his own city etc. can somebody help me put my mind at ease?
His own city? The Vatican is a City/State. Which means it is an independent country, and has it’s own governing body. There is a Secretary of State, diplomats, etc. This is key because the Church belongs to the entire world, and not a single country.

The Papal apartments consist of relatively few rooms in the entire Vatican. Remember, the Pope is the Head of State for the Vatican. He receives ambassadors and envoys from many nations around the world. Shouldn’t it be in a place befitting his office?

This is a picture of the Pope’s living room. Doesn’t look too lavish to me, does it to you?
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Do a few simple searches on Papal apartments. I think you will be surprised how humbly the man lives.
 
I totally misunderstood the concept of the Vatican. Thank you so much twopekinguys for taking the time to answer me.
 
My youngest son is 14, and he is completely fascinated with the Pope at the moment, The other evening we spent nearly 2 hours looking up information on the history of the papacy, the Vatican, and everything Roman Catholic. At the end, Jacob said, “Mom, they sure are good stewards of God’s treasures, aren’t they?”

I agree. And thank you for being so!
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If Europe has her way, you’ll be hearing the Muslim call to prayer echoing from Westminster Abbey in another 50 years. God help us!:(:(😦
To hear the adhan at ALL in this country would be nice.
A lavish lifestyle? I’m not sure that’s even true. He is surrounded by the treasures of the church. By virtue of his office he owns some objects that have become priceless because of their historical value. That doesn’t equal lavish. Most of the value of the paintings, statues, books, &c. comes from the fact that they were created for the church or the pope centuries ago. They weren’t priceless then. Valuable, certainly, but I’m not certain that living a life of celibacy is exactly lavish. And poor Pope Benedict doesn’t even think he should bring a cat to the papal apartments, despite the fact that he is a cat person. That is a great sacrifice, I’m sure.

The long and short of it is that the pope isn’t rich; the church owns valuable properties, partly because of the sacrifice of ordinary Catholics, and partly because of the time when the Vatican was a much bigger country and had taxes and so forth. To think of the pope as living like most of the wealthy men in the secular world is laughable.
This.
 
The Holy Father, the cardinals and bishops, priests, religious and lay…we are all members of Christ’s Church…and He is our groom and does not want His bride adorned in rags…we are each a living temple of the Lord.

The work and adornment you see in Church buildings,etc., is the work of religious and lay hands…not the ones in authority.

I remember watching at tv program about a priest in Chicago who put on a most humble, poor looking habit and would walk out into the street to stop any gang shootings.

What is important is that we follow the will of God in our daily life.

There is not one single Catholic, including the Holy Father, who has any legal document that he or any cardinal, bishop, priest, religious or lay own any property of the Catholic Church. They may have secular legal ownership titles…but the whole Catholic understanding is not what non-Catholics are indoctrinated to believe or outsiders perceive…judging by appearances.

We Catholics through just the Gospels alone are taught to be detached from our goods.

I live in a nice house but if the Lord took it away tomorrow, it would be one less thing for me to be concerned about and give me more freedom in serving the Lord. I grew up in a little project house in a neighborhood that has had the National Guard oversee at times.
I see this present home as a gift from the Lord Himself.

And that is how we are taught…all things come from the Lord. He gives and He takes…and some day extremists could destroy the Vatican, and much of our churches and schools and hospitals throughout the world…and our faith would go on.

That is because the Lord said He would build His temple in 3 days…the true Church is within us…Christ–Word and Sacrament.

The Church is essentially mystical, not physical.
 
Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, John Hagee, Jimmy Swaggart, Fred Price, Robert Tilton, Paul and Jan Crouch, Joyce Meyer.

Need I continue?
I did not read this thread past this post so forgive me if I am repeating what has already been stated.

You are equating the pope with cult leaders and Prosperity Gospel (= false gospel) preachers? Hmm. That is interesting. I hope there is a better explanation than comparing the pope with false teachers. :ehh:
 
I think people are getting a bit too hung up on the ‘living lavishly’ issue and the Pope’s personal bank account and/or material wealth. The simple fact is that the Pope wants for nothing. He has the best medical care, security, nutritional supply, clothing, etc.

Lavish is a relative term, and, yes, compared to the majority of the world’s population, he does live quite lavishly. I think a more difficult question for you all to answer is the following:

Why, when the Catholic Church is, among other things, a financial entity that operates entirely in the black and is worth billions, do they continue to bilk money from the poor followers of the Church? Why is that collection plate still passed around in second and third world countries, and even first world countries, when the Catholic Church is so incredibly rich? Why does this overwhelmingly rich institution still demand a tax from even the most destitute of its followers?

As far as his ‘plain’ living quarters, if any of you would stop and think about it, most of you, indeed most people regardless of religious affiliation, could not afford such lavish furniture in their own houses. The Pope lives in nothing resembling poverty or even the middle class lifestyle that make up most of his Western followers. How much do you think that chair the Pope is sitting in in his living room would cost you if you wanted to decorate your house with such, ummm, modest furnishings? Those plain white robes? Well, can you afford a personal tailor to make your clothing, or do you shop at Wal-Mart?

The Catholic Church is stinking rich, yet continues to tax its followers (as do other religions), to provide for the material wealth of the church that is not necessary to its existence. They have more money in banks and financial investments than most could comprehend.

Never forget that the first stand-in for Christ, the first guy who claimed that, ‘since Christ ain’t here, you all listen to me and do what I say’ was also the last Roman Emperor - he merely switched hats - from the Roman Crown to the Papal Miter. He brought his lavish palacial dwellings and taxation with him though. The Pope lives just as monarchies do. Surrounded by tons of gold, personal armies, jewels, artifacts, servants, priceless art, advisers, etc., all paid for by taxing the followers who are overwhelmingly not rich.

So, I ask you devout Catholics who support the enormous wealth of the Church, why do they continue to demand a tithe from the poorest of followers when they already have billions upon billions. Tons upon tons of gaudy gold lining their churches as decoration, gold, like that lining churches in the Americas that was forcibly mined by the natives who were enslaved once the Jesuits set foot over here centuries ago. The reductions set up by the Jesuits are a prime example of the double standard the Church views wealth with - it is okay for the Church to be wealthy, but you should not be.

To me, the material wealth the Church holds is meaningless. The true wealth they horde and keep from the public is the historical and spiritual knowledge and truth they keep locked up in the basement of the Vatican. Locked up away from us all, depriving us, for centuries.

The Pope is ‘rich’, to be sure. He has no more material wants then did the Caesers from which he is descended and has unparalleled, compared to the average Catholic or non-Catholic, access to the best our world has to offer - private jets, personal security, personal medical staff, lavish living quarters (remember, none of you could afford that chair the Pope sits in in his living room - it is way too expensive for you to decorate your house with), personal tailors, barbers, etc.

Don’t kid yourself, those protestants listed in this thread who have millions from their ministries, pale in comparison to the wealth of the Catholic Church - they are not in the same league.

Yet the Church still sends that collection plate around to those of us that struggle to pay bills, buy electricity, food, health care, etc.

When is enough enough? When does the Church have enough money that it no longer demands taxes from its followers?
 
The last Roman Emperor just switiched hats? Please at least get your facts right prior to posting. The last Emperor in the WRE was Romulas Augustus (not a Pope) and in the ERE was Constantine XI (XIII) Dragases (also not a Pope). In fact, no Roman Emperor was ever the Pope.
 
Again, we have to go back to see the Church as Christ’s Bride.

And you have to go farther back than that to see that the Church is the place where you will encounter not only the grace of faith in our hearts for Him…but that the Church is the place in which you will encounter the actual living, physical presence of Christ Himself found on the Altar at Mass, and residing in the Tabernacle, with the sanctuary candle lit, showing He is there.

It is most insulting to God Himself to have His Son remain in a shabby place…this contradicting the Lord’s directives in Exodus as to how He wished to be worshipped, how He wanted His temple to built, down to how His priests were to be robed.

When you enter into the church, you are entering into God’s house here on earth. And the finery is not the expression of materialism…but like Abel, giving the Lord’s sanctuary the first and best fruits of labor of our hands.

The laity themselves built the churches, artists, musicians, engineers…all for the glory of God’s house.

The Holy Father and the ecclesiastics, in true form, are to be Christ’s holy ministers. The Holy Father and ecclesiastics are called ‘Servants of God’.

The vocation of all Catholics, including the Holy Father, is the mission of becoming holy, serving those in need, and final union with God in the next life.
 
I did not read this thread past this post so forgive me if I am repeating what has already been stated.

You are equating the pope with cult leaders and Prosperity Gospel (= false gospel) preachers? Hmm. That is interesting. I hope there is a better explanation than comparing the pope with false teachers. :ehh:
I think the point that was being made is…People love to climb all over the Pope and his “riches”, while conveniently ignoring the mega preachers and their lifestyles.

Most of these complaints come from people who don’t realize or know the Pope doesn’t own his where these guys do.
 
Ironically, it is the prosperity gospels and those other sectarian eccelesial communities, accountable to no one, that you will find most of the labelling about the papacy, etc, etc., etc.
 
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