How to approach 60's liberalism: Start my own group or stick it out?

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Speaking as a young Catholic, whose pedigree involves Conservative (not to be confused with Republican) and Orthodox interpretations of the faith, how would one approach an older audience whose views tend to be liberal and protestant in nature?

The reason I’m asking is that I’m part of a men’s spirituality group within my congregation who’s majority membership is over 50 and who’s views tend to be passive on Church dogma and continually challenge (to say it lightly – challenge is good but teaching others on self described truths, contrary to the Church, equates to heresy) teachings of the Church.

During our meetings, I often hear (matter of fact like) that Jesus taught love and therefore we should have no barriers to our faith that would cause us to question legalized homosexual marriages, contraception or woman and married priests. If these issues were brought up as a topic to discuss, that’s one thing. But they’re typically presented in the “the Vatican needs to get their head out of the sand” approach. With all heads nodding politely.

Being that I’m new to the community and those presenting these ideas represent spiritual leaders of the Church community, I’m not comfortable playing the instigator (John the Baptist) role quite yet – potentially dissolving the group who’s majority might agree with them and considering that, as a group, they combine to promote charitable motions within the community.

Given that many of these men are truly interested in the moral wellness of our immediate and greater society, along with their influence into the community we have at our Church (given their senior leadership), I feel like my continuing on in the group will give me an opportunity to evangelize them toward a truer understanding of the faith. However, listening to dissent, undermining the teaching authority of the Church, under the current culture gives rise to levels of stress that frequently bars my ability to contribute to the group.

So… should I start my own men’s group with younger people (that tend to be more orthodox) or continue with the current group in hopes that I can possibly influence their position?
 
First of all, you deserve some :clapping: for sticking it out in a group where you are the odd man out by age and mind-set.

I myself am a bit reluctant to get involved at my parish, for fear of having no real common ground with others.

I would suggest you could try to gently introduce the Church’s position. Perhaps in the form of, “I thought the Church taught…” See what sort of reaction that gets.

If the group is set against the teachings of the Church, then perhaps you do need a new group. After all, there is nothing wrong with having several groups in one community.

Also, as a final note, if this group is an official group of the parish, you may consider the possibility of asking your pastor for help. If you have a good, solid pastor, he may be willing to meet with everyone a time or two and see if some of these “misunderstandings” could be cleared up. However, if your pastor is less solid, then that would likely be unfeasible.

Having a group to share your faith with can be of great value. Such a group helped me to get through some very rough times in my life, even though they didn’t know it. We would pray together, talk theology, study the Bible, share meals, and all sorts of things. It was one of the few bright parts of my life in those difficult years, and I wonder if I will ever again encounter anything quite like it.
 
How tied are you to that parish? At the very least, perhaps forming a younger, more orthodox group would be best. Or, if you can’t leave the parish, find an Opus Dei group in your area.
 
I fully understand where you are coming from. We have a priest like that who thinks his liberal views on morality and the mass obligation is what the newer generation desires and this is not the case.
 
I’ve been in a similar situation with a women’s Bible study at my parish, although the majority are younger women (under 40) who simply don’t know the Catholic faith very well. However, the study originally started under the direction of our pastoral associate, an older woman, who definitely has liberal, dissenting ideas regarding Scripture and certain Church teachings. When I started attending, I was new in the parish, so I was very uncomfortable about having to stand up to some of the unorthodox things the leader was saying, but I politely and firmly would counter with what the Church taught, and I would also explain the *why *behind Church teaching. Over the past two years the women have come to better understand what the Church teaches, and the former leader of the group no longer participates or has an influence in teaching things not in line with the truth. We have completed and are now working on another Bible study (chosen by the group) that is completely orthodox Catholic. I would pray and ask God to give you the wisdom to know how to get the truth out to this group of men in a charitable, edifying way and that the Holy Spirit will open their eyes to the truth and enable them to believe an embrace it. Is there any way you could be in two groups – remain in the one you are in and start another one ? If you leave the group, these men may have no one else to teach them the truth. I have been very uncomfortable at times in the position I’ve been in at my parish, but my former priest said God has put me there for a reason, and I need to witness to the truth.

I’ll be praying for you!
 
I say hang in there and don’t withdraw. Be confident that you are right. Use scripture, the catechism, and charity. Another young man we all know and love stood against error as well. I’m in that 50 year old age group as well and know how easy we all try to avoid confrontation and conflict… I wouldn’t back down from their moral relevant attitude about right and wrong.

I will say a prayer of strength for you!👍
 
I’ve been in a similar situation with a women’s Bible study at my parish, although the majority are younger women (under 40) who simply don’t know the Catholic faith very well. However, the study originally started under the direction of our pastoral associate, an older woman, who definitely has liberal, dissenting ideas regarding Scripture and certain Church teachings. When I started attending, I was new in the parish, so I was very uncomfortable about having to stand up to some of the unorthodox things the leader was saying, but I politely and firmly would counter with what the Church taught, and I would also explain the *why *behind Church teaching. Over the past two years the women have come to better understand what the Church teaches, and the former leader of the group no longer participates or has an influence in teaching things not in line with the truth. We have completed and are now working on another Bible study (chosen by the group) that is completely orthodox Catholic. I would pray and ask God to give you the wisdom to know how to get the truth out to this group of men in a charitable, edifying way and that the Holy Spirit will open their eyes to the truth and enable them to believe an embrace it. Is there any way you could be in two groups – remain in the one you are in and start another one ? If you leave the group, these men may have no one else to teach them the truth. I have been very uncomfortable at times in the position I’ve been in at my parish, but my former priest said God has put me there for a reason, and I need to witness to the truth.

I’ll be praying for you!
Wait a minute, what happened to the original teacher?
Remember, Jesus went looking for the missing sheep.
 
Speaking as a young Catholic, whose pedigree involves Conservative (not to be confused with Republican) and Orthodox interpretations of the faith, how would one approach an older audience whose views tend to be liberal and protestant in nature?

The reason I’m asking is that I’m part of a men’s spirituality group within my congregation who’s majority membership is over 50 and who’s views tend to be passive on Church dogma and continually challenge (to say it lightly – challenge is good but teaching others on self described truths, contrary to the Church, equates to heresy) teachings of the Church.

During our meetings, I often hear (matter of fact like) that Jesus taught love and therefore we should have no barriers to our faith that would cause us to question legalized homosexual marriages, contraception or woman and married priests. If these issues were brought up as a topic to discuss, that’s one thing. But they’re typically presented in the “the Vatican needs to get their head out of the sand” approach. With all heads nodding politely.

Being that I’m new to the community and those presenting these ideas represent spiritual leaders of the Church community, I’m not comfortable playing the instigator (John the Baptist) role quite yet – potentially dissolving the group who’s majority might agree with them and considering that, as a group, they combine to promote charitable motions within the community.

Given that many of these men are truly interested in the moral wellness of our immediate and greater society, along with their influence into the community we have at our Church (given their senior leadership), I feel like my continuing on in the group will give me an opportunity to evangelize them toward a truer understanding of the faith. However, listening to dissent, undermining the teaching authority of the Church, under the current culture gives rise to levels of stress that frequently bars my ability to contribute to the group.

So… should I start my own men’s group with younger people (that tend to be more orthodox) or continue with the current group in hopes that I can possibly influence their position?
If you can start your own group that would be wonderful.
Do you know where to find them?
 
Wait a minute, what happened to the original teacher?
Remember, Jesus went looking for the missing sheep.
She wasn’t actually the “original teacher” more the leader. She bowed out on her own and hasn’t come back, not because she wasn’t welcome.
 
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