How to Combat the New Intolerance, ‘a Rival Faith, Rooted in the Sexual Revolution’

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Have we done in 1984 exactly what Our Lady requested to convert Russia? Some say yes and some (including Sister Lucy, I understand) say no, so why not try the consecration to her Immaculate Heart again, this time in the manner Our Lady requested?

Perhaps we could find the time to wedge it in between some of the really important things going on, but don’t hold your breath. Well over half of “Catholics” today couldn’t tell you what Our Lady of Fatima means, but they can tell you why it’s important to elect a woman president.
I thought Russia was, no…?

In all fairness, private revelations are not required for salvation, but Our Lady’s message is the Gospel: repentance, amendment of life, prayer, etc.

But you make a good point that priorities have certainly been secularized. Often times, I have to bite my tongue when Catholics are pro-gay marriage and/or think the pope is not liberal enough.
 
Actually it started way, way earlier. Playboy was founded c. 1952. One of the leading female characters in “Goldfinger” by Ian Fleming (one of JFK’s favorite authors) published in 1959: “”(slang term for vagina) Galore". “The greatest generation” was awash in pornography, adultery, fornication.

But of course everything must be blamed on those dirty communistic hippies.
That information is inaccurate. Awash in pornography? No. And what was available was called artistic and consisted of scantily clad, partly nude or nude photos.

I had Hippie friends. Morality was out, especially sexual morality. The Church didn’t matter. Fornication was called ‘performing natural acts,’ and by the time the graphic porn appeared, that was OK. They came into our neighborhoods and preached and lived their lifestyle. Live with your girlfriend, have sex with anybody. Smoke lots of dope. Make sure to use a lot of profanity. Sex was the biggest thing. And when their parents called: “Son, if you love the girl, why don’t you just get married?” The answer was that they were free. The ‘greatest generation’ couldn’t understand. They were doing their best to lead people to love the flesh. Across the street from Wayne State University was a bookstore filled floor to ceiling with books about Eastern mysticism. Marriage was just a piece of paper - unnecessary.

Needless, to say, mom and dad were portrayed as “sexually repressed,” along with young Catholics who were taught “NO sex until marriage.” But they were as evangelical as any religious evangelical. “Don’t trust anyone over 30!” I was there. I heard that. Along with, “We’ll burn this country down if we have to.” But those were the most radical.

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I agree with much of what you are saying, and I also agree there’s cross-over between greed and sexual immorality, but I’m not sure that preaching against greed will make people more receptive to Christian sexual mores. I’ve heard it’s selfish to have more than two children. That represents a sensitivity to greed, but not a sensitivity to the Christian ethos.
There are many many people of apparent good will who are completely turned off by the apparent acceptance of the Christian church (as represented by its most prominent voices) of Greed as an acceptable motivating force in individuals’ lives and as a driving force in the economy, and acceptance of unlimited accumulation of wealth by some individuals while others live in want. They are led to reject Christian sexual morality because of the inconsistency in morality. I have talked to many such people personally, and have observed many many more on internet forums, etc.
 
I thought Russia was, no…?

In all fairness, private revelations are not required for salvation, but Our Lady’s message is the Gospel: repentance, amendment of life, prayer, etc.
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It’s true that private revelations are not required for salvation. But then neither is the survival of America’s uniqueness required for salvation; nor are wheat, potatoes, meat or shoes. We are free to use all the tools we are offered to attain salvation, or not; our choice. This particular private revelation, however, seems to me to be a bit different:

The apparitions at Fatima were confirmed by a public miracle witnessed by 70,000 people—the Miracle of the Sun. Pope John Paul II himself declared at Fatima in 1982 that the Message of Fatima “imposes an obligation on the Church”, and he publicly attributed to Our Lady of Fatima his escape from death in the assassination attempt of May 13, 1981—the very anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima. fatima.org/apostolate/faqconse.asp

But, it’s true, a Catholic would be correct in saying that St. JP II’s belief in the matter is not required for salvation or, insofar as we know, the survival of traditional America.
 
There are many many people of apparent good will who are completely turned off by the apparent acceptance of the Christian church (as represented by its most prominent voices) of Greed as an acceptable motivating force in individuals’ lives and as a driving force in the economy, and acceptance of unlimited accumulation of wealth by some individuals while others live in want. They are led to reject Christian sexual morality because of the inconsistency in morality. I have talked to many such people personally, and have observed many many more on internet forums, etc.
If they were introduced to poor religious, would they accept the teaching about chastity? There are lots of examples of people who walk the walk.
 
How are you being forced to recognize and play along? They devised a rainbow slip to send you in the mail and like jury duty you have to report legally to the nearest wedding between two people of the same gender?

You know your own beliefs on the subject, so who is forcing you to do anything?
THe State is doing the forcing, and the list is getting longer. Or perhaps a State imposed penalty of $135,000 for failing to make a cake for a gay couple going through a civil ceremony the State calls a wedding is not forcing? and that is merely one example.
 
THe State is doing the forcing, and the list is getting longer. Or perhaps a State imposed penalty of $135,000 for failing to make a cake for a gay couple going through a civil ceremony the State calls a wedding is not forcing? and that is merely one example.
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No one is forcing a christian to use contraception or have an abortion or get married to someone of the same gender, for example.
How are you being forced to recognize and play along? They devised a rainbow slip to send you in the mail and like jury duty you have to report legally to the nearest wedding between two people of the same gender?

You know your own beliefs on the subject, so who is forcing you to do anything?
I don’t think many (any?) Christians are afraid that the state will coerce them into having an abortion or a same-sex marriage. The fear is that to be a member of the public sphere will require one to affirm various widely held beliefs. It’s the modern equivalent of burning a pinch of incense to satisfy Caeser.

I suppose, ultimately, it really depends on where you set the bar. I, personally, have absolutely zero fear that it will be illegal to be an orthodox Christian in the foreseeable future. I am afraid that being an orthodox Christian will bar one from politics, various professions (primarily Law and Medicine, although I’m sure there are others) and business. I’m concerned that institutions (Church’s, Schools, Charities) will either be forced to “get with the program” or be regulated out of existence. I’m afraid that we’re coming to a situation where in certain quarters, to be known as an orthodox Christian is to be shunned from society for allegedly “bigoted” or “regressive” beliefs.

For what it’s worth, as a graduate student and professional student, I tend to dread being “outed” as Catholic (yes, this doesn’t speak well of me, but that’s the reality). I dread the day when a colleague asks why I can’t eat meat on Friday, why I may not be eating that particular day, why I go to the chapel in the morning, or why I can’t meet on Sunday mornings. I dread it because of the fear of the consequences of such a revelation, both real and imagined. Now this is in a country that still predominately identifies as Christian. We all know that won’t always be the case. My experience with the predominate “progressive” strain is that tomorrows leaders will only become more intolerant of traditional beliefs on sex and marriage, less likely to support their rights to speech and participation and the public sphere, and more openly intolerant about people they disagree with. I hope I’m wrong.
 
I don’t think many (any?) Christians are afraid that the state will coerce them into having an abortion or a same-sex marriage. The fear is that to be a member of the public sphere will require one to affirm various widely held beliefs. It’s the modern equivalent of burning a pinch of incense to satisfy Caeser.

I suppose, ultimately, it really depends on where you set the bar. I, personally, have absolutely zero fear that it will be illegal to be an orthodox Christian in the foreseeable future. I am afraid that being an orthodox Christian will bar one from politics, various professions (primarily Law and Medicine, although I’m sure there are others) and business. I’m concerned that institutions (Church’s, Schools, Charities) will either be forced to “get with the program” or be regulated out of existence. I’m afraid that we’re coming to a situation where in certain quarters, to be known as an orthodox Christian is to be shunned from society for allegedly “bigoted” or “regressive” beliefs…
Your fears already are being realized. Here’s a partial list:

President Obama announced to the Muslim world shortly after election that America is not a Christian country. Later, during a traditional prayer breakfast at the White House, he revised history and announced that Christians (the people currently undergoing genocide by ISIS) shouldn’t get uppity about Muslim barbarianism; why, haven’t we ever heard of the Christian Crusades?

Christians, even the Little Sisters of the Poor, are required by Hilary/Obamacare to purchase “health insurance” for contraception including abortafacients.

Before the president would agree to speak at Catholic Georgetown University, the school was required by the White House to remove or cover nearby religious symbols. This was confirmed and complied with by Georgetown.

In some schools, children are taught (with their parents’ tax dollars) to consider homosexuality as just another acceptable life style.

Catholic orphanages have been forced to close because they won’t allow homosexual partners to adopt.

Christian tradesmen such as photographers and bakers are not permitted to live their Faith by giving homosexual clients a list of tradesmen who would be happy to provide all the services being requested–even though those particular tradesmen were selected by the homosexual clients precisely to force the tradesmen to violate their Faith or else.

Christians in the military have been discriminated against for years. Just a taste: allenbwest.com/allen/disturbing-christian-persecution-us-army
And here’s Hillary, that tower of inclusiveness and rights: lifenews.com/2015/04/27/hillary-clinton-force-christians-to-change-their-religious-views-to-support-abortion/

A few years ago, some Congressmen wanted to make it unlawful for Clergy in the pulpit to quote scripture regarding homosexuality, a la’ pagan Canada. Don’t ever doubt that we could be living that subjugation if things go against the Church this year. Moreover, if things do go bad this year, how long do you think it would take for the Church to be forced by the Supreme Court to “marry” homosexuals or give up officiating at Catholic marriages? Congress would be powerless to do anything about it.

But this is the one that broke my heart. My hero, Archbishop Chaput (that’s sincere) just said this to his flock: “Both major candidates are – what’s the right word? so problematic – that neither is clearly better than the other.” He wants Catholics to figure it out for ourselves.
Since 70% of “Catholics” have no clue about what I wrote above, they will vote for “free stuff”. Good by religious freedom.
 
My experience with the predominate “progressive” strain is that tomorrows leaders will only become more intolerant of traditional beliefs on sex and marriage, less likely to support their rights to speech and participation and the public sphere, and more openly intolerant about people they disagree with. I hope I’m wrong.
I agree, and I’ve been out of that environment for six years. It troubled me then. I was that person who produced a line of five chasubles for my capstone. Lol. Ironically, that alone probably contributed more genuine “diversity” to the apparel program than many other lines. Took some chutzpah to present that though. Got to talk about liturgical seasons to the entire class and judges, as we had to do five different garments. 😃 And to my professor’s credit, they didn’t attempt to dissuade me. One of them actually encouraged it.

But, I think there’s a real strong undercurrent that is increasingly hostile to Christian anthropology.
 
I will agree with the poster who cited Playboy Magazine as a pivot point in the culture. I truly think it was too.

But while I think it was an accelerant to evil, it wasn’t the igniting spark or even the first flames.

I think we need to go back a long way to see the roots of it. To my mind, the roots of it all are moral relativism. That was the subject of the works of some very find minds, including Pope St. Pius X in his condemnation of “modernism”. “Modernism” is not “being modern” it’s moral relativism. Even Nietzsche wrote about it. It was what he mean by the “Death of God”. In other words, principles thought in previous ages to be objective truth were no longer accepted as such. What is “true” is what’s “true for me”, a subjective standard.

And so, if I am persuaded (or perhaps persuade myself) that homosexual acts are equivalent to sex within marriage, that’s “true for me” and therefore asserted as simply “true”, without reference to any standard (like Church teaching or the bible) that says it’s objectively “false”.

For us in the west, (and there are eastern analogues) the real spark was the protestant reformation. Protestantism means “I accept this part of former theology, but I reject that part. And I reject those teachings because I have arrived at a ‘truth’ of which I am personally convinced concerning that.”

How do we know something is objectively true versus simply subjective judgment? Well, some things are physically obvious, like the fact that large granite blocks are heavy or a certain level of radiation will kill. But in the moral sphere, we as faithful Catholics accept on faith (and some evidence as well as consequences) that Jesus is God and that He gave the Church the power to declare what is objectively good and objectively evil, with His own authority.

But most do not accept that, even a lot of Catholics don’t. They do not accept that they are rejecting the truth of God, but opt for the “truth” according to themselves without ever quite realizing that they are building a moral house on sand.

And so, when a society declares that, say, homosexual “marriage” is “good”, that’s an entirely subjective judgment based on the human arguments made in its favor. And if we accept that because so many do or because we get ourselves persuaded of it, we’re still opting for subjective determination of “truth” and rejecting the only objective truth available to us. It’s a habit of mind.

And further, when we think it’s entirely okay for children to be indoctrinated that it’s “good” or that abortion on demand is “good”, we’re rejecting the objective stated by Jesus Himself; “it were better than he hang a millstone around his neck and cast himself into the sea than to scandalize one of my little ones…” And we accept that on the flimsy ground that “…well, children need to know the issues of the day, so they can judge for themselve…”

But in a society in which we are persuaded that prohibition against “establishment of religion” means the society must be utterly secular; without even the assertion or tacit acceptance that there is an objective truth to follow, we’re all simply blowing in the moral wind, in which each man is his own judge and in which every subjective “truth” is equally valid with every other “truth”. The only real question is who has the power to impose his “truth” on others and the motivation to do it.

And subjectivism does, inevitably, lead to establishment of “truth” by “power” alone. Nietzsche posited the “Superman”; the man who is “beyond good and evil” (objectively) and who imposes his views on a populace that, by persuasion or force, accepts them.
But we say we don’t have such people; “that’s Hitler stuff or Lenin stuff”. But we do. We just have a lot of minor ones rather than a single major one. Roe vs. Wade was essentially decided by one man; the deciding vote on the Supreme Court. So was imposition of homosexual “marriage”. One man. Just one; the deciding vote on the Court. We have the “regulation” of one man requiring the Little Sisters to violate conscience or face punishment, and even some Catholics defend it. We delude ourselves if we think there are no “supermen” who are telling us what our morals should be and doing that which is (presently) in their power to make us act on them whether we accept them internally or not.

And, truth be told, there is a lot of it in the Church presently. Even here on CAF, we see citations to “church people” who are extremely dissident in many ways. “…it would be better if they hung a millstone…” But we don’t see it.
 
I will agree with the poster who cited Playboy Magazine as a pivot point in the culture. I truly think it was too.

But while I think it was an accelerant to evil, it wasn’t the igniting spark or even the first flames.

I think we need to go back a long way to see the roots of it. To my mind, the roots of it all are moral relativism. That was the subject of the works of some very find minds, including Pope St. Pius X in his condemnation of “modernism”. “Modernism” is not “being modern” it’s moral relativism. Even Nietzsche wrote about it. It was what he mean by the “Death of God”. In other words, principles thought in previous ages to be objective truth were no longer accepted as such. What is “true” is what’s “true for me”, a subjective standard.

And so, if I am persuaded (or perhaps persuade myself) that homosexual acts are equivalent to sex within marriage, that’s “true for me” and therefore asserted as simply “true”, without reference to any standard (like Church teaching or the bible) that says it’s objectively “false”.

For us in the west, (and there are eastern analogues) the real spark was the protestant reformation. Protestantism means “I accept this part of former theology, but I reject that part. And I reject those teachings because I have arrived at a ‘truth’ of which I am personally convinced concerning that.”

How do we know something is objectively true versus simply subjective judgment? Well, some things are physically obvious, like the fact that large granite blocks are heavy or a certain level of radiation will kill. But in the moral sphere, we as faithful Catholics accept on faith (and some evidence as well as consequences) that Jesus is God and that He gave the Church the power to declare what is objectively good and objectively evil, with His own authority.

But most do not accept that, even a lot of Catholics don’t. They do not accept that they are rejecting the truth of God, but opt for the “truth” according to themselves without ever quite realizing that they are building a moral house on sand.

And so, when a society declares that, say, homosexual “marriage” is “good”, that’s an entirely subjective judgment based on the human arguments made in its favor. And if we accept that because so many do or because we get ourselves persuaded of it, we’re still opting for subjective determination of “truth” and rejecting the only objective truth available to us. It’s a habit of mind.

And further, when we think it’s entirely okay for children to be indoctrinated that it’s “good” or that abortion on demand is “good”, we’re rejecting the objective stated by Jesus Himself; “it were better than he hang a millstone around his neck and cast himself into the sea than to scandalize one of my little ones…” And we accept that on the flimsy ground that “…well, children need to know the issues of the day, so they can judge for themselve…”

But in a society in which we are persuaded that prohibition against “establishment of religion” means the society must be utterly secular; without even the assertion or tacit acceptance that there is an objective truth to follow, we’re all simply blowing in the moral wind, in which each man is his own judge and in which every subjective “truth” is equally valid with every other “truth”. The only real question is who has the power to impose his “truth” on others and the motivation to do it.

And subjectivism does, inevitably, lead to establishment of “truth” by “power” alone. Nietzsche posited the “Superman”; the man who is “beyond good and evil” (objectively) and who imposes his views on a populace that, by persuasion or force, accepts them.
But we say we don’t have such people; “that’s Hitler stuff or Lenin stuff”. But we do. We just have a lot of minor ones rather than a single major one. Roe vs. Wade was essentially decided by one man; the deciding vote on the Supreme Court. So was imposition of homosexual “marriage”. One man. Just one; the deciding vote on the Court. We have the “regulation” of one man requiring the Little Sisters to violate conscience or face punishment, and even some Catholics defend it. We delude ourselves if we think there are no “supermen” who are telling us what our morals should be and doing that which is (presently) in their power to make us act on them whether we accept them internally or not.

And, truth be told, there is a lot of it in the Church presently. Even here on CAF, we see citations to “church people” who are extremely dissident in many ways. “…it would be better if they hung a millstone…” But we don’t see it.
Wonderful summation. I was listening to a teacher of Theology of the Body, and he referenced Descartes,’ “I think, therefore I am.” “I think I am a man, therefore I am.” While I personally am ambivalent as to the real meaning behind Descartes’ words, that is perhaps one way to interpret them. Frankly, all wrongheaded strains of thought trace themselves back to the Devil. Ideas have spiritual and historical genealogies too.

I myself have been wondering why Theology of the Body isn’t more widespread on a catechetical level, especially amongst teens. Truly, it is the answer. It was certainly true in my own case. Learning the deeper reasons behind Church teaching about contraception was like the first domino fall of Stonehenge monoliths. It was the missing key. It isn’t ultimately about bedroom behavior, but the sacraments and the nature of God Himself. Is God a Trinity, or not? Is the family a reflection of Him, or not?

So, I’ve been wondering why on earth we don’t hear more about it. This same teacher I heard said it really boils down to spiritual warfare. Because it is the answer, the Devil thwarts it getting out. Simple. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that.
 
It’s true that private revelations are not required for salvation. But then neither is the survival of America’s uniqueness required for salvation; nor are wheat, potatoes, meat or shoes. We are free to use all the tools we are offered to attain salvation, or not; our choice. This particular private revelation, however, seems to me to be a bit different:

The apparitions at Fatima were confirmed by a public miracle witnessed by 70,000 people—the Miracle of the Sun. Pope John Paul II himself declared at Fatima in 1982 that the Message of Fatima “imposes an obligation on the Church”, and he publicly attributed to Our Lady of Fatima his escape from death in the assassination attempt of May 13, 1981—the very anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima. fatima.org/apostolate/faqconse.asp

But, it’s true, a Catholic would be correct in saying that St. JP II’s belief in the matter is not required for salvation or, insofar as we know, the survival of traditional America.
All Catholics would be very wise to learn about and do as Our Lady at Fatima has ask of us. Learn what ALL the Popes since Fatima, have said about it. The World Apostolate of Fatima , Blue Army, is a Public International Association, under the Council for Laity. It is the ONLY Fatima organization in the World which speaks, “in the name of the Church” and with the “authority of the Church” on Fatima. www@bluearmy.com God Bless, Memaw
 
G. K. Chesterton has a great quote that applies (from 100 years ago):

“There are those who hate Christianity and call their hatred an all-embracing love for all religions.”
 
We must stand strong against the Cultural Marxist New World Order agenda. All Christians should unite under the banner of truth to stop it. We need to put aside our differences in order to take part in the global resistance. It is our only hope until Christ returns. Tear down the hammer and sickle. Tear down the rainbow banner. Tear down the Illuminati pyramid. Raise up the cross. There will be no surrender. Our Lady of Fatima warned us about communism. Russia spread the error of Marxism throughout the world. We must extinguish it.
 
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