How to contact Guido Marini, Master of Papal Ceremonies?

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Does anyone know the mailing address for Msgr. Guido Marini, the new Master of Papal Ceremonies?
 
Maybe you already have this, but the phone and fax from the vatican website:

GENERAL AUDIENCES OF THE HOLY FATHER AND PONTIFICAL CEREMONIES:
Enquiries: Prefect of the Pontifical Household Ph. +39.06.69884857 fax +39.06.69885863

I’m not at all curious why you want this info…Nope, not my business…

OK, maybe a little curious.
 
ac_claire said:
I’m not at all curious why you want this info…Nope, not my business…

OK, maybe a little curious.
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Quite honestly, I want to write to him in thanksgiving for the work he is doing with His Holiness to restore dignity and sacredness to the celebration of Mass. And to ask him a question about patience. :o
 
John_Lilburne said:
Based on the information at vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/documents/ns_lit_doc_20071106_personale_it.html I suggest:

Mons. GUIDO MARINI
Maestro delle Celebrazioni Liturgiche Pontificie
00120 Città del Vaticano
Palazzo Apostolico Vaticano
Vatican City, Europe

It also has two phone numbers
06.69.88.32.53;
06.69.88.52.64;
And a fax number: 06.69.88.54.12
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John, you don’t happen to have the same information for Francis Cardinal Arinze, do you? We may need it.
 
japhy said:
Quite honestly, I want to write to him in thanksgiving for the work he is doing with His Holiness to restore dignity and sacredness to the celebration of Mass. And to ask him a question about patience. :o
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I imagine he would be pleased to hear this from you. 🙂
 
benedictgal said:
John, you don’t happen to have the same information for Francis Cardinal Arinze, do you? We may need it.
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Cardinal Francis Arinze
Congregation For Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,
Palazzo Delle Congregazioni
Piazza Pio XII 10 00120 CITTÀ DEL VATICANO
Vatican
 
japhy said:
Quite honestly, I want to write to him in thanksgiving for the work he is doing with His Holiness to restore dignity and sacredness to the celebration of Mass.
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Excellent idea. 👍 I think I will do this also. He needs to know there are Catholics who really do hunger for this in the Mass.
 
benedictgal said:
John, you don’t happen to have the same information for Francis Cardinal Arinze, do you? We may need it.
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Not to rain on your parade, but you should realize that Vatican office cardinals almost always necessarily simply relay the complaint back to the diocessan ordinary to handle and at most may ask for a report back on the resolution of the issue (if they even ask for that). Your bishop is the most important person for resolving complaints or problems if you do not get resolution from your pastor. Writing to cardinals in Rome is like writing to your bishop - only the letter goes across the world first before reaching his desk.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
Not to rain on your parade, but you should realize that Vatican office cardinals almost always necessarily simply relay the complaint back to the diocessan ordinary to handle and at most may ask for a report back on the resolution of the issue (if they even ask for that). Your bishop is the most important person for resolving complaints or problems if you do not get resolution from your pastor. Writing to cardinals in Rome is like writing to your bishop - only the letter goes across the world first before reaching his desk.
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You may not have read the final part of Redemptionis Sacramentum wherein it states that if your bishop has not responded to your concerns, you have the right to appeal directly to the Holy See. So, if the bishop is unresponsive, then the faithful have that right to go to the Holy See, in this case the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.

Incidentally, if one were to write to the Papal Nuncio to relay a complaint, that’s when it gets sent back to your bishop.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
Not to rain on your parade, but you should realize that Vatican office cardinals almost always necessarily simply relay the complaint back to the diocessan ordinary to handle and at most may ask for a report back on the resolution of the issue (if they even ask for that). .
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Yep, but it has a different effect on bishops.

It is a lot like being in the Military. If your Company CO didn’t do something they were supposed to, and you mentioned it to them, it might not go far.

But if you mentioned it to the Colonel, and he, in turn, tells the Captain to resolve it, it gets done.

In both cases, it was the Captain who resolved the issue, but the effect of having a someone from Regiment sent the issue down is different that having a Sgt bring the issue up.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
Not to rain on your parade, but you should realize that Vatican office cardinals almost always necessarily simply relay the complaint back to the diocessan ordinary to handle and at most may ask for a report back on the resolution of the issue (if they even ask for that). Your bishop is the most important person for resolving complaints or problems if you do not get resolution from your pastor. Writing to cardinals in Rome is like writing to your bishop - only the letter goes across the world first before reaching his desk.
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Yes the bishop should recieve a complaint first…actually the priest first and if and when the priest ignores then the bishop…if and when the bishop ignores then the vatican. FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THE VATICAN WILL RESPOND. Contrary to the belief (and wishes) of some on these forums.

A liturgist scoffed at the idea of the vatican responding…only to eat their words a few months later…Of course the liturgist thought they were part of the chain of command…
Arinze has a very large staff.
 
THurifer2 said:
Yes the bishop should recieve a complaint first…actually the priest first and if and when the priest ignores then the bishop…if and when the bishop ignores then the vatican. FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THE VATICAN WILL RESPOND. Contrary to the belief (and wishes) of some on these forums.

A liturgist scoffed at the idea of the vatican responding…only to eat their words a few months later…Of course the liturgist thought they were part of the chain of command…Arinze has a very large staff.
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If the liturgist was serving at the pleasure of the bishop or pastor, he or she WAS in fact part of the chain of command.

Yes, you are correct that the Vatican does respond in some cases. I personally know of a case in which they did here in this diocese. In fact, much more “serious” complaints had been made before that were sent back to the bishop, whereas a relatively minor complaint was actually responded to.

I must, however point out that for the one case I am aware of in which the Vatican immediately responded and made a judgement, I am aware of many, many other cases that were referred back to the local bishop. It really all depends.

I am also aware of a case where people went to Cardinal Arinze’s office complaining about piano music at mass. The end resolution was the bishop’s representative (here) called these people and said “Please stop writing the Vatican; they have declined to take issue with this and our bishop has as well.” Once again, it really does depend on the situation and circumstances.

Oh, and contrary to your “evil conspiracy” theories, I would welcome the Vatican being able to respond to each inquiry or complaint. I am the last one wanting to push my agenda upon the Church; I only want to do the right things.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
If the liturgist was serving at the pleasure of the bishop or pastor, he or she WAS in fact part of the chain of command.

Yes, you are correct that the Vatican does respond in some cases. I personally know of a case in which they did here in this diocese. In fact, much more “serious” complaints had been made before that were sent back to the bishop, whereas a relatively minor complaint was actually responded to.

I must, however point out that for the one case I am aware of in which the Vatican immediately responded and made a judgement, I am aware of many, many other cases that were referred back to the local bishop. It really all depends.

I am also aware of a case where people went to Cardinal Arinze’s office complaining about piano music at mass. The end resolution was the bishop’s representative (here) called these people and said “Please stop writing the Vatican; they have declined to take issue with this and our bishop has as well.” Once again, it really does depend on the situation and circumstances.

Oh, and contrary to your “evil conspiracy” theories, I would welcome the Vatican being able to respond to each inquiry or complaint. I am the last one wanting to push my agenda upon the Church; I only want to do the right things.
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Howver, the bishop’s representative has no right to tell the people to stop writing to Cardinal Arinze if the local Ordniary has not responded (or, in our case, ignored, outright and legimate complaints). It is the right of the faithful to appeal directly to the Holy See when all other avenues have been exhausted. If the bishop refuses to act or tries to make seem as though the problem doesn’t exist, then Rome needs to intervene.
 
benedictgal said:
Howver, the bishop’s representative has no right to tell the people to stop writing to Cardinal Arinze if the local Ordniary has not responded (or, in our case, ignored, outright and legimate complaints). It is the right of the faithful to appeal directly to the Holy See when all other avenues have been exhausted. If the bishop refuses to act or tries to make seem as though the problem doesn’t exist, then Rome needs to intervene.
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I would agree with you in general. However this was a case when Cardinal Arinze also deemed the complaints to be unwarranted and without cause. I got the distinct impression that the general tenor of the correspondence from him back to our bishop was “These people shouldn’t be wasting our time with this, get them off my back please.”
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
If the liturgist was serving at the pleasure of the bishop or pastor, he or she WAS in fact part of the chain of command.

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This is not true. Contrary to the belief of many many many liturgists…they are not part of the Hierarchy.

No one is required to check with a Liturgist first…If a Liturgist is in the mix…it is this unnecessary circumstance that likely caused the problem in the first place.

Take problems to the priest FIRST then move “upward” from there. Complaining to the liturgist is a lateral move…based on my experience with “liturgists”…it is a waste of time and I have learned my lesson to just ignore them.
 
THurifer2 said:
This is not true. Contrary to the belief of many many many liturgists…they are not part of the Hierarchy.

No one is required to check with a Liturgist first…If a Liturgist is in the mix…it is this unnecessary circumstance that likely caused the problem in the first place.

Take problems to the priest FIRST then move “upward” from there. Complaining to the liturgist is a lateral move…based on my experience with “liturgists”…it is a waste of time and I have learned my lesson to just ignore them.
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If you came to my parish and complained to the pastor on matters of music and liturgy, you would be referred first to me.

Better yet, call our bishop and complain to him. His office will send you to the office for Worship and tell you that if you don’t get satisfaction from the director there, you can call back.

Tell me, who taught you liturgy when you were in formation for the permanent diaconate? Was it gasp a liturgist?

You hate the position because you’ve had bad experiences. It’s a personal thing. But it is a necessary position in the church, as are experts of church history, cannon lawyers, et al.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
I would agree with you in general. However this was a case when Cardinal Arinze also deemed the complaints to be unwarranted and without cause. I got the distinct impression that the general tenor of the correspondence from him back to our bishop was “These people shouldn’t be wasting our time with this, get them off my back please.”
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Just out of curiousity, do you work at the Chancery? How would you be privvy to what Cardnial Arinze said (or what he thought, for that matter)?

Not to be disrespectful, but the situation we are facing is not some minor hand-slap. There are some serious things that haven’t been addressed and need to be. Rome is the last resort, as Redemptionis Sacramentum notes. The bishop, being the chief liturgical steward, must tend to the serious issues in his diocese. If he does not, then we do have the right to go to Rome.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
If you came to my parish and complained to the pastor on matters of music and liturgy, you would be referred first to me.

Better yet, call our bishop and complain to him. His office will send you to the office for Worship and tell you that if you don’t get satisfaction from the director there, you can call back.

Tell me, who taught you liturgy when you were in formation for the permanent diaconate? Was it gasp a liturgist?

You hate the position because you’ve had bad experiences. It’s a personal thing. But it is a necessary position in the church, as are experts of church history, cannon lawyers, et al.
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I dont hate the position at all. I have never had a bad experience…and the Liturgy Portion of my training comes from the director of Liturgy in my diocese…who happens to be…GASP!.. a deacon!

Wow liturgists are on par with Canonists and Church Historians?

I cannot think of ONE church in my diocese that has a Liturgist…we must be out in the cold.!?
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
If you came to my parish and complained to the pastor on matters of music and liturgy, .
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I your pastor told me that I would tell him that I was going to the Bishop…and if the bishop was unresponsive I would go to the Vatican…thats the order things are to play out without exception.

Seems to me that it would expidite the complaint anyways.
 
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