How to convince a liberal Protestant Christian that God should have authority over our sexuality?

[Holly3278]

How do I convince a liberal Protestant Christian that God should have authority over our sexuality and the way we act when it comes to sexual matters such as fornication and such?

 

[Julian0404]

Live out the message you want to teach.

 

[FiberZilla]

How do I convince a liberal Protestant Christian that God should have authority over our sexuality and the way we act when it comes to sexual matters such as fornication and such?

You convince a liberal protestant the same way you convince a catholic priest, bishop or lay person involved in sexual sin. You confront them and expose their sin. Tell them to read their Bible and repent, or turn from their sin and confess it to God. If their deeds are illegal, such as child molestation you notify the authorities.

 

[JRKH]

You convince a liberal protestant the same way you convince a catholic priest, bishop or lay person involved in sexual sin. You confront them and expose their sin. Tell them to read their Bible. If their deeds are illegal, such as child molestation you notify the authorities.

Based on another post by Holly I suspect that the person she is refering to is her boyfriend and sexuality within their relationship. I do not think it involves any “illegal activities”.

Peace
James

 

[FiberZilla]

Based on another post by Holly I suspect that the person she is refering to is her boyfriend and sexuality within their relationship. I do not think it involves any “illegal activities”.

Peace
James

Liberal protestant or catholic… If he is consistently pressuring her to engage in sin, and believes that God has no authority over human sexuality, she needs to drop this loser immediately.

 

[JRKH]

How do I convince a liberal Protestant Christian that God should have authority over our sexuality and the way we act when it comes to sexual matters such as fornication and such?

I would explain that God has already clearly explained that He has governance over our sexuality by using the Bible. The Ten commandments forbids “Adultery” elsewhere “homosexuality” is condemned as well as contraception by “spilling ones seed on the ground”.
I would show him in the Bible where Christ not only condemned adultery but even looking lustfully at a woman.

So - God has clearly demonstrated that We are to be obedient to Him in our sexual lives. The Teachings of the Catholic Church in these matters reflects this obedience to God’s revealed Truth.

If he feels that God should not have governance over this part of His life, in spite fo the fact that the Bible clearly shows God says otherwise, then he is clearly demonstrating that He has chosen not to follow Christ with his whole heart.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Liberal protestant or catholic… If he is consistently pressuring her to engage in sin, and believes that God has no authority over human sexuality, she needs to drop this loser immediately.

I agree that the relationship may need adjustment. BUT I also think that, as a Loving Christian, she should employ Mt 18:15-18. She should show him is sin, and bring witnesses if he will not listen to her. If witnesses are insufficiant, then we have a problem because, since they are of different faith communities, there is no way for them to, “Tell it to The Church”.
But yes, if attempts to show him bible references to God excersizing control over our sexuality does not work, she needs to break off any romantic relationship with him.

Peace
James

 

[Bold_Sexton]

I consider myself a moderate (leaning toward liberal) protestant, but I definitely believe in a level of sexual ethics, but they certainly don’t follow Catholic doctrine.

 

[JRKH]

I consider myself a moderate (leaning toward liberal) protestant, but I definitely believe in a level of sexual ethics, but they certainly don’t follow Catholic doctrine.

So you do believe that God has a role to play in our sexual lives - correct?

Peace
James

 

[Holly3278]

Based on another post by Holly I suspect that the person she is refering to is her boyfriend and sexuality within their relationship. I do not think it involves any “illegal activities”.

Peace
James

You are right that it is my boyfriend I am talking about. However, it is not about sexuality within our own relationship. We are in a chaste relationship at this time. I am simply trying to address his belief that God should have no control over our sexuality.

Liberal protestant or catholic… If he is consistently pressuring her to engage in sin, and believes that God has no authority over human sexuality, she needs to drop this loser immediately.

Don’t worry, he is not pressuring me to engage in sin. We are in a chaste relationship at this time and he does not pressure me to sin.

 

[1ke]

How do I convince a liberal Protestant Christian that God should have authority over our sexuality and the way we act when it comes to sexual matters such as fornication and such?

Holly,

In another thread you mentioned this person is your boyfriend-- an anti-Catholic United Church of Christ member.

This cannot go anywhere good.

The purpose of dating is to discern marriage. How can you even consider pursuing that path with someone who hates your faith and with whom it would be a constant battle regarding the moral laws of the Church?

I don’t get this idea that you can just “convince” him of everything Catholic and it will be OK. I think you are being very naive.

I think instead of trying to remold the boyfriend, you need to find someone who fits the mold already-- someone with whom you SHARE the most important part of who your are: your Catholic faith.

 

[hellopeople]

Holly,

In another thread you mentioned this person is your boyfriend-- an anti-Catholic United Church of Christ member.

This cannot go anywhere good.

The purpose of dating is to discern marriage. How can you even consider pursuing that path with someone who hates your faith and with whom it would be a constant battle regarding the moral laws of the Church?

I don’t get this idea that you can just “convince” him of everything Catholic and it will be OK. I think you are being very naive.

I think instead of trying to remold the boyfriend, you need to find someone who fits the mold already-- someone with whom you SHARE the most important part of who your are: your Catholic faith.

I disagree with this. If someone disagrees with your religion, but is respectful of it, it shouldn’t matter at all. If they are constantly giving you problems about it, then it probably isn’t going to work, but people of different faiths can and should get married.

 

[JRKH]

I disagree with this. If someone disagrees with your religion, but is respectful of it, it shouldn’t matter at all. If they are constantly giving you problems about it, then it probably isn’t going to work, but people of different faiths can and should get married.

Perhaps it was on the other thread, but Holly tells us that her boyfriend is anti-catholic so obviously there is a problem just in this.

Overall, ni choosing a lifemate it is essential that we discern carefully -
(take it from someone who did not the first time)

Peace
James

 

[1ke]

I disagree with this. If someone disagrees with your religion, but is respectful of it, it shouldn’t matter at all. If they are constantly giving you problems about it, then it probably isn’t going to work, but people of different faiths can and should get married.

It matters greatly.

• It matters how the children will be raised.
• It matters whether she will be able to bring the practice of her faith into her home and family life-- advent wreaths, fasting/abstaining from meat during Lent, praying the rosary, teaching the children their prayers and the faith.
• It matters that contraception is a mortal sin and he may want to use it.
• It matters that “other” sexual things he may want to do instead of intercourse are mortal sins that she cannot condone or participate in.
• It matters how he views marriage and sexuality.
• It matters that he is anti-Catholic.

 

[kage_ar]

The Bible. It is crystal clear when it comes to fornication sending you to hell.

 

[hellopeople]

The Bible. It is crystal clear when it comes to fornication sending you to hell.

The Bible is also clear that you should kill your child if they curse you.

 

[JRKH]

The Bible is also clear that you should kill your child if they curse you.

You are off topic here.
The subject of this thread is Sexuality and God’s role as it should be understood by two Christians, one Catholic and one non-catholic. In this case, God is clear.

Please try to remain on topic.

God

 

[hellopeople]

You are off topic here.
The subject of this thread is Sexuality and God’s role as it should be understood by two Christians, one Catholic and one non-catholic. In this case, God is clear.

Please try to remain on topic.

God

Did you just sign your post as God .

Anyway, I was just mentioning that there are other things that the Bible says explicitly that Catholics don’t agree with.

 

[JRKH]

Did you just sign your post as God .

I guess I was starting another thought when I was distracted earlier.

Anyway, I was just mentioning that there are other things that the Bible says explicitly that Catholics don’t agree with.

Point taken but these kinds of things can derail a thread very quickly.
Just out of curiousity could you provide the location of this command?

Peace
James

 

[Contarini]

How do I convince a liberal Protestant Christian that God should have authority over our sexuality and the way we act when it comes to sexual matters such as fornication and such?

Well, for starters, don’t approach the question that way. That’s not the point a liberal Protestant is likely to dispute. Rather, a liberal Protestant is likely to argue that God’s law can be summarized in the command to love one another. Therefore, sexual behavior that is abusive or manipulative is wrong (and a liberal Protestant might even suggest that failing to use birth control might be unloving behavior on the part of a man under certain circumstances). But a liberal Protestant may see nothing wrong with consensual intercourse within a relationship characterized by trust, affection, and respect, and they are particularly likely to press that argument in the case of gays, divorced people, etc., for whom conservative Christians would argue that celibacy is the only option (well, since the Orthodox allow divorce and remarriage perhaps I should qualify that, and of course a homosexual may engage in heterosexual marriage with or without some kind of therapy to attempt to change orientation).

In other words, your job is not to convince your friend that God’s authority extends to sex, but that God disapproves of sexual relationships which have all the subjective qualities of trust and affection and mutual care that would characterize a good marriage.

Edwin