How to deal with an alcoholic father

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I need some help please , i will take help from anyone at any age and any opinions, but i am hoping that someone with more wisdom or perhaps a father can help me,

my problem arises out of the abuse of alcohol in my family, this is nothing new to me and has been ongoing where my father drinks, he seems content and happy as one but i have been down that road and i know its not safe

what always comes to my mind is the scripture that says and i am not sure which scripture sorry, but that alcoholics shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven…

this scares me in that deep down i love my dad, but he has been away from the church, perhaps has his own world views, and continues to drink in secret… i feel so much pressure on me to save him and i will feel guilty if i am responsibl for not doing so…

my method has been avoiding him, maybe i should talk to him about religion? i dont feel mature enough to do so but maybe i am wrong

please help it seems alchol plagues my family
 
not clear why you think your father has a problem with drink ?
 
I need some help please , i will take help from anyone at any age and any opinions, but i am hoping that someone with more wisdom or perhaps a father can help me,

my problem arises out of the abuse of alcohol in my family, this is nothing new to me and has been ongoing where my father drinks, he seems content and happy as one but i have been down that road and i know its not safe

what always comes to my mind is the scripture that says and i am not sure which scripture sorry, but that alcoholics shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven…

this scares me in that deep down i love my dad, but he has been away from the church, perhaps has his own world views, and continues to drink in secret… i feel so much pressure on me to save him and i will feel guilty if i am responsibl for not doing so…

my method has been avoiding him, maybe i should talk to him about religion? i dont feel mature enough to do so but maybe i am wrong

please help it seems alchol plagues my family
How about going to several sessions of AlAnon. Those folks have been there and can probably give you significant help.
 
My advice is this
1 JUDGE not, that you may not be judged, 2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Don’t take it personal, its just good advice all around.
 
I think it might be helpful to perhaps see your doctor, tell him you’re worried about your dad and ask about the different services that are available for him and for you. As a family member, it must be difficult and stressful for you and there are organisations that can help you a lot and also point out ways to help your dad.

If your doctor is much help, then I suggest you Google help for family members. Where I live there are local services, and yes Al anon and also perhaps Adfam can be very useful. Your local church will help you too I’m sure.
 
i am sorry for judging and it seems i do this often and condemn certain people, i know i am no one to judge… but what about scripture that says alcholics will not enter heaven?

maybe im not certain about the stance on alcohol and therefor ignorant here, i dont know if its permissible or not, i have been reading alot lately that its probably forbidden, but it would relieve me to not judge as hard as i am, i am just worried for him thats all
 
How about going to several sessions of AlAnon. Those folks have been there and can probably give you significant help.
thanks that is an option but i was hoping to get some more concrete catholic advise, i have been to aa andalthough its a good fellowship it isnt scripturally or spiritually based , unless a certai nindividual is himself, but you can believe in a rock etc.
 
not clear why you think your father has a problem with drink ?
i believe he has a problem with drink because of the amount he drinks and how frequently… and because he hides it and pretends he is not drunk… maybe the amount is different for everyone because of weight and size but i am sure the frequency and amount and duration is nothing casual
 
My advice is this

Don’t take it personal, its just good advice all around.
thank you i am glad you brought that scripture up, i just pondered it and it seems to help

but what about scripture saying alcoholics cannot inheret the kingdom of heaven,

that is the one that scares me, alchoolics are thrown in with adulterers fornicators etc in that scripture i believe, and that is what scares me
 
thank you i am glad you brought that scripture up, i just pondered it and it seems to help

but **what about scripture saying alcoholics cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven,**that is the one that scares me, alchoolics are thrown in with adulterers fornicators etc in that scripture i believe, and that is what scares me
There are alcoholics, and then there are alcoholics. There is a world of difference between someone who loses his wife and children, his job for the love of alcohol and another one who can still function socially and professionally and be a reasonably adequate husband and father. Alcoholics aren’t monolith. In the end, final judgement belongs to God, we may be surprised by some of the people who’ll make it to Heaven ans some who won’t.
 
i believe he has a problem with drink because of the amount he drinks and how frequently… and because he hides it and pretends he is not drunk… maybe the amount is different for everyone because of weight and size but i am sure the frequency and amount and duration is nothing casual
Al-Anon/Alateen

In case you aren’t in the US, there is an international link on the Al-Anon website. I don’t know how old you are, but Alateen is very helpful for young people. If someone’s drinking is bothering you, you qualify for either program. Please go to several meetings - you will very likely find people who understand your situation and you will find support and tools to deal with your family. Alcoholism is a family disease so if that is your father’s problem, everyone in your family is affected in some way. You can do NOTHING about it. You didn’t cause it, you can’t control it, and you can’t cure it.
 
thanks for all the help guys and more comments and advice is always appreciated too, maybe ishouldnt condemn so hard and quickly, and if it continues to bother me i will attend and learn some coping mechanisms
 
I think you are thinking about St. Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians. They were a pretty rowdy lot and needed quite a bit of stern direction. Basically, St. Paul says that wrongdoers will not enter the kingdom of heaven, and then goes on to enumerate some of those sins. BUT he finishes up with: “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (6:11).

So the best thing you can do for your father’s soul is to pray for him. Only God can judge his heart, because only God has all the pieces to the puzzle. An act can be objectively sinful, but how guilty we are of that sin depends on a lot of factors, such as how much our reason and will are engaged. God will take into account how much we know, and how capable we are of freely choosing. So, if a person struggles with a mental illness or addiction, God will also take that into account in the final reckoning. Pray for your father’s conversion, and trust in God’s mercy. Look at how Christ forgave the good thief on the cross and promised him he would enter paradise that day! (And “swindlers” were also among the wrongdoers mentioned in St. Paul’s letter). With God, all things are possible.
 
I need some help please , i will take help from anyone at any age and any opinions, but i am hoping that someone with more wisdom or perhaps a father can help me,

my problem arises out of the abuse of alcohol in my family, this is nothing new to me and has been ongoing where my father drinks, he seems content and happy as one but i have been down that road and i know its not safe

what always comes to my mind is the scripture that says and i am not sure which scripture sorry, but that alcoholics shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven…

this scares me in that deep down i love my dad, but he has been away from the church, perhaps has his own world views, and continues to drink in secret… i feel so much pressure on me to save him and i will feel guilty if i am responsibl for not doing so…

my method has been avoiding him, maybe i should talk to him about religion? i dont feel mature enough to do so but maybe i am wrong

please help it seems alchol plagues my family
Your father entering into heaven is not your responsibility; it’s his and only his; you cannot save him. Alcoholism is a disease and there are many treatments available to him but he has to do it on his own and until then you can pray for him and set a good example by living your faith. If Al-Anon doesn’t work for you, you can make an appointment and speak with a priest.
 
If you are a school kid talk to a school counseller.
Or talk to AlAnon or even AlaTeen
Of phone the kids help phone line (or local version)
Or talk to your priest.

Whoever you feel safe with.

It sounds like you need some prayers.

I’ll pray for you.👍
 
How about going to several sessions of AlAnon. Those folks have been there and can probably give you significant help.
I am sure there are many people that have gotten a lot out of Al-Anon.

But for me, I felt like it was a bunch of people that never wanted to move on or get better. There were people there that had been members for years and years but they were still working on step 1 - 5. Sorry, at that point, you either don’t want to move on or you need professional help.

For the OP, how old are you? Do you live at home? Do you have a trusted adult to speak to, if you are a minor? Can you give us a little more information?
 
I am sure there are many people that have gotten a lot out of Al-Anon.

But for me, I felt like it was a bunch of people that never wanted to move on or get better. There were people there that had been members for years and years but they were still working on step 1 - 5. Sorry, at that point, you either don’t want to move on or you need professional help.

For the OP, how old are you? Do you live at home? Do you have a trusted adult to speak to, if you are a minor? Can you give us a little more information?
The reason people go through the steps more than once is that life happens in spite of recovery. And many Al-Anons grew up with alcoholism as well as marrying it and some also give birth to it. So their lives are forever affected. If someone has been in Al-Anon (or AA, or any 12-step group) for years and hasn’t done the steps at least once, then they probably need a new sponsor or they are still in denial. But Al-Anon is a gentle program and never forces people to act before they are ready. Some come and go, some “graduate” and then return.

I get a lot from others’ experience, strength and hope. Maybe you went to an unhealthy meeting or two?
 
Try to remember that its not up to you to save him. You can pray for him, but Jesus is the one who saves! My mother has been an alcoholic my entire life. At 78, she still hits it hard every night and her health is terrible. My peace with her disease came when I confessed my resentment and lingering anger to my priest. I came to understand that her drinking doesn’t have anything to do with me - its her way of coping with her physical and emotional pain and that she never made it a goal to become dependent. I try to focus on her wonderful qualities, only visit and call when she is sober, and talk often about our shared faith.
My advice - pray the rosary and ask our Lady to intercede for your dad’s conversion - whether or not he kicks the bottle is a separate matter. The Seven Sorrows Rosary is a wonderful weapon against the powers of addiction, and it brings me peace.

Blessings,
Kathy
 
i am sorry for judging and it seems i do this often and condemn certain people, i know i am no one to judge… but what about scripture that says alcholics will not enter heaven?

maybe im not certain about the stance on alcohol and therefor ignorant here, i dont know if its permissible or not, i have been reading alot lately that its probably forbidden, but it would relieve me to not judge as hard as i am, i am just worried for him thats all
I think you mean this one: “Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God”. 1 Cor. 6:9-10

Remember that a decision to sin must be made with a free (although not *totally *unmitigated) exercise of the will in order to be mortal. If a man becomes an alcoholic more by gradual unwitting enslavement than by an act of will, or if he repents of the willful decisions by which he got himself into that position but then falls again into bouts with drunkenness because his self-control is mitigated by not having the illness of addiction under control, then this is not the same as positively choosing a life of regular drunken flings, knowing that this is forbidden by God…which is what St. Paul was referring to.

You are being tempted down the slippery path of co-dependence…I can tell because you said “I feel so much pressure on me to save him and I will feel guilty if I am responsibl for not doing so”. The first thing to get through your head is that you are not a Savior. Christ is The Savior. You are his servant, you are his instrument, but you have no control over your dad or your dad’s eternal destiny…None. Let that sink in: None. You have your part to do as far as living out your love of God and neighbor, your dad has his, but the salvation of your dad will be accomplished by Christ, by the work of the Holy Spirit, with the cooperation of your dad. By the economy of grace, the service you render God as a part of cooperating with your own salvation may be a help to your dad, but this is all in the hands of God and subject to the free will of your dad.

I would suggest you read Melody Beattie’s Book “Co-dependent No More”. It is out in a new edition; most libraries have it. She describes very well the thinking by which people become unhealthy themselves by not knowing how to deal with the chaos introduced into their relationships by alcoholics and other kinds of addicts. She has some useful strategies. She found Al-Anon very useful herself, but her advice does not hinge on going to meetings. It is the useful stuff that she learned by being in recovery from both her own addiction and from desparately trying to be the outside control over *someone else *with an addiction.

She loves the Serenity Prayer in its entirety, so I will paste it here on this forum again:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.

See? Nothing about being a savior in there. It’s all service, with the results left up to God. Were I you, I’d consider trying some Al-Anon meetings, to see if one near you might help you put the supports in place you’ll need to get through this. If it doesn’t help, well, you tried. You might try another group; I’ve heard some are more helpful, others do a bit more on the end of wallowing in how difficult it all is, and so on. In any event, even if no particular group works out to be a good support for you, you’ll probably learn some stuff there that you can use on your own, too, and hear some stories that tell you you’re not alone. After that, well, just watch and see what helps and what doesn’t.
 
The reason people go through the steps more than once is that life happens in spite of recovery. And many Al-Anons grew up with alcoholism as well as marrying it and some also give birth to it. So their lives are forever affected. If someone has been in Al-Anon (or AA, or any 12-step group) for years and hasn’t done the steps at least once, then they probably need a new sponsor or they are still in denial. But Al-Anon is a gentle program and never forces people to act before they are ready. Some come and go, some “graduate” and then return.

I get a lot from others’ experience, strength and hope. Maybe you went to an unhealthy meeting or two?
Maybe an unhealthy meeting or 6. I attended a bunch of different ones and went for about a year. Including ones that were not in our town or in our state.

They were all the same. Generally a bunch of women still talking about how hard their life was when “he” was drinking. Then I would find out that “he” had stopped drinking 10 years ago.

It didn’t give anyone a lot of hope or strength. It did tell me that if I stayed there, I to would still be blaming anything bad in my life on my “him” 10 years from now.
 
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