How to deal with rude comments from *some* Orthodox people

[wynd]

After all, if the Latin Church is allowing Pastoral Provision, it should certainly allow – no, encourage – expression and recognition of Sacraments of Churches with whom the Latin Church is already in Communion. Full communion.

It always seemed weird to me that Rome allows “pastoral provisions” for a church that has a traditionally celibate clergy, but still officially forbids the ordaining of married men in churches that traditionally have married clergy.

 

[Miserissima]

Catholics

It always seemed weird to me that Rome allows “pastoral provisions” for a church that has a traditionally celibate clergy, but still officially forbids the ordaining of married men in churches that traditionally have married clergy.

We may be speaking of two different things, but i get where you’re coming from.

Pastoral Provision allows for married (non Catholic) clergy to become clergy in the Catholic church and to remain married.

Yet, local Ordinaries forbid the Eastern Catholics, married before receiving Holy Orders, to say Divine Liturgy (…in some places, of course). Boggles the mind! Either we accept the Eastern expression / practice or we don’t.

What example does that give to our Orthodox brethren?

 

[Seraphim73]

What example does that give to our Orthodox brethren?

It makes every promise to respect our rights completely hollow. Until Rome not only begins to truly respect the Eastern Catholic Churches as sister Churches but also completely renounces the idea that it even has the authority to deny Eastern Churches the right to ordain married men or unilaterally confirm primatial elections of other Churches etc there will be no reunion.

 

[Miserissima]

It makes every promise to respect our rights completely hollow. Until Rome not only begins to truly respect the Eastern Catholic Churches as sister Churches but also completely renounces the idea that it even has the authority to deny Eastern Churches the right to ordain married men or unilaterally confirm primatial elections of other Churches etc there will be no reunion.

You know, we can talk about “understanding each other” all day.

What are the non compromisesables that we can reconcile?

Which actually affect Joe Snuffy, the “everyman?”

 

[Seraphim73]

You know, we can talk about “understanding each other” all day.

What are the non compromisesables that we can reconcile?

Which actually affect Joe Snuffy, the “everyman?”

In my opinion the things neither side would be willing to compromise on is Papal Infallibility and Papal Supremacy. Most of the other stuff I think both sides could work out in a way that could be accepted. You could maybe throw in the Immaculate Conception and maybe created Grace.

 

[twf]

People forget how vast the Latin Church is. As far as I know, married men have only been ordained to the Latin priesthood, under the Pastoral Provision or the Anglican Ordinariates, in the Anglo-Latin Church…meaning the Latin Church within the UK, Canada, Australia, and the USA. The Latin bishops of these countries don’t have a problem with married Eastern clergy. The bishops of places such as Italy, where the Pastoral Provision isn’t even on the radar, have different views. Don’t paint the Latin hierarchy with one brush. Rome typically respects the decisions of the local hierarchy.

 

[Miserissima]

People forget how vast the Latin Church is. As far as I know, married men have only been ordained to the Latin priesthood, under the Pastoral Provision or the Anglican Ordinariates, in the Anglo-Latin Church…meaning the Latin Church within the UK, Canada, Australia, and the USA. The Latin bishops of these countries don’t have a problem with married Eastern clergy. The bishops of places such as Italy, where the Pastoral Provision isn’t even on the radar, have different views. Don’t paint the Latin hierarchy with one brush. Rome typically respects the decisions of the local hierarchy.

ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/first-married-man-ordained-priest-us-maronite-catholic-church

 

[Rob_Arnzen]

Until Rome not only begins to truly respect the Eastern Catholic Churches as sister Churches but also completely renounces the idea that it even has the authority to deny Eastern Churches the right to ordain married men or unilaterally confirm primatial elections of other Churches etc there will be no reunion.

I wouldn’t consider the internal discipline of the Catholic Church vis a vis celibacy and the Eastern Catholics as constituting an impediment to reunion with the Orthodox churches.

It has been, and continues to be, the position of the Catholic Church that while it is a matter of discipline, the existence of married clergy was always an accommodation to mission areas rather than a norm. The fact that the Orthodox only select bishops from the celibate priesthood is a remnant of this earlier universal ideal.

There are much more fundamental theological issues which stand in the way of reunion, as well as the practical matter that while the Catholic Church can speak with a synoptic voice, the Orthodox churches cannot.

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[Micko]

Anyone who persecutes another based on their faith is not of body of Christ.

 

[MorEphrem]

I’ve been looking at this thread for a while and considering whether or not I should post. The very premise of the thread is kind of insulting since it creates a categorical distinction for rude comments from the Orthodox. An interesting situation to consider is how would people react if an analogous conversation were brought up - something to the effect of “How to deal with rude comments from some white people” or “black people” or whatever substitution one feels proves the point most aptly.