How to deal with rude families at Mass

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My family and I sometimes sit in the chapel in the back of our church for mass. It doubles as a cry room. Recently we entered, and observed only two elderly couples there before us (sometimes parishioners on oxygen or who have trouble moving for others to pass will sit there, so as not to disturb others). I noted that these people were deep in prayer, and kept an extra careful eye on my girls (ages 6 yrs and 19 months) so that they didn’t disturb these people. I also encourage them to be quiet, as there are no speakers in the chapel, and it’s difficult to hear mass.

After mass began, lots of people filed in, mostly adults with teenage kids or just latecomers. One family marched in proudly, plunked themselves right beside us, and proceeded to do everything but observe mass for the next hour. The teenage daughter beside me began putting on lip gloss, while her younger brother (about 12) repeatedly removed his shoe and shook the contents on to the floor of the chapel. The mother only admonished him once. There was no father present. Then the other teenage girls had an extended animated conversation in hoarse stage whispers with their brother and mother about what I couldn’t tell you, but it was unrelated to mass. At points it escalated to a disagreement. THen the teenage girl next to me proceeded to check her recent calls on her cell phone. All the while, my girls didn’t make a peep, and I struggled to keep my toddler in my arms so that she wouldn’t run amuck. Eventually she fell asleep. THen the teenage girl next to me began to send a lengthy text message and only stopped when her mother noticed after several paragraphs were composed. She put it away, only to take it back out again shortly to hit the send button. All the while, the mother sat with her arm on the back of the chair beside her, propping her head up casually, looking like she could barely be bothered to stay awake.

THis family was dressed appropriately for a picnic or a day at the amusement park. They had absolutely NO interest in Mass whatsovever, and served as a very serious challenge to my own focus, (and my temper) and that of my family. I very nearly spoke to them, but I’m glad I didn’t, because I think it would have been a distraction to the other parishioners in the chapel. My husband and I couldn’t stop wondering, “Why are you even HERE?”

I might add that the lector wore short shorts and a tank top and sneakers, which not only were inappropriate, but her big fat bubble butt was a prominent disgrace on the altar. I thought, 'You make the teenage altar servers wear cassocks, why can’t you throw one over this broad?" I’m sick to death of eucharistic ministers dressed for a bowling game or the beach, and of the parishioners barely being able to rummage a clean t-shirt, while they tote their kids along wearing the latest hoochie mama short shorts and sleezy tank tops. Of course they are a distraction to my 6 year old, who marvels at their ‘pretty’ clothes. I struggle to help her remember that those clothes are immodest and inappropriate.

I have considered writing our pastor several times (I won’t go in to the renegade usher who revels in sucking down every drop of precious blood he can find and then smacking his lips and delcaring he could finish another one, or the old lady who sat behind us and yelled at my toddler for singing along loudly with the Hosanna). Our pastor is new to our parish, only here barely over a year, and I know he has a lot of things to deal with. I’ve often wondered if he is just ‘waiting for the right time’. Out of respect for him, I’ve held off. We don’t go to our parish every week, because the mass schedule is kind of odd, (we go to the cathedral instead) so I often wonder if he has ‘addressed’ it a mass we didn’t attend there. I don’t want to offend him, but he really needs to speak up. This is a middle to upper-middle class suburban parish, so these people aren’t too poor to own proper church clothes, and the kids are well educated.

Sigh. I don’t know what to do. However, I think that problems with families (like the one I described) DO need to be addressed directly, but I don’t know how.

Any suggestions?
 
Pray for an answer. I think becoming friends with the family might help and you can be a mentor. Sounds like this family is misguided and does understand the true intentions of Mass. I don’t know how to bring it up in conversation, because I am not good in conversation. I always try to use my good works or deeds to make a change. Find more about this family because I think they need spirtual help.
 
Well, I hate to sound like a broken reco…uhhh, defective CD, but RUN AWAY. :yup:

If I were you, I’d stick with the cathedral. Drop a note to the pastor telling him why you can’t support the parish anymore and never look back. Since you didn’t mention any liturgical abuses, it seems most of the problems are being caused by lay people. Maybe your note will inspire him to give a homily on Christian charity extending to consideration for others during Holy Mass.

I’d bet a good Depression would inspire some humility and devotion in some of these spoiled rotten affluent suburban American parishes. :cool:
 
Print out what you’ve written here and bring it with you when you meet with your pastor. Let him know you’d like to meet with him to a) learn how your talent & time may be of use to the parish and b) fill him in on some observations you have. His response will tell you whether you should stay or go.

Why have we all (as a society) become so timid about speaking up when people are being inappropriate? In the situation at mass you described, could you or your husband have tapped either of the teenagers on the shoulder and said, “I"m so sorry to bother you, but I’m having difficulty worshiping right now. Could that wait for just 45 minutes? Thank you SO much. You’re a sweetheart.” (Said with the tone of, “Of COURSE you understand…”)
 
All I can say is that is a Catholic Mass, where you will find saints, sinners, hypocrites and families who don’t pay attention and dress inappropriate. Remember this passage: (Luke 5: 30-32) 30: And the Pharisees and their scribes murmured against his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”
31: And Jesus answered them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick;
32: I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Pray for this family, pray for patience and petition your pastor to post signs stating proper attire at Mass.

God Bless you!
 
You all have great suggestions. I’ll work on them all. Thanks. 🙂
 
jaralenio said:
All I can say is that is a Catholic Mass, where you will find saints, sinners, hypocrites and families who don’t pay attention and dress inappropriate. Remember this passage: (Luke 5: 30-32) 30: And the Pharisees and their scribes murmured against his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”
31: And Jesus answered them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick;
32: I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Pray for this family, pray for patience and petition your pastor to post signs stating proper attire at Mass.

God Bless you!

Yeah, right.
Pray for patience as you begin to fight the good fight.
I agree with the poster that says to take your list of grievences to the pastor. If he is going to do anything about it, the shorts on the Altar will be your first sign. If you see appropriate dress start there, then something is being done. If not, go to the Cathedral. Write the pastor when you leave and explain why you cannot support the parish anymore.
There seems to be a bigger problem here than just the dress. Why are teenagers allowed in the cry room? Why are they allowed to talk? Our Ushers would have removed them and invited them to the main of the church.
Praying is good advice. But chalking it up to, “That is a Catholic Mass” is garbage. If the shepard leads his flock, none of this is done. We have announcements about turning off beepers and cellphones, appropriate dress and Ushers that escort crying or loud children to the cry room. It only happens if it is tolerated.

Yes Christ was the Doctor to the Sinners, but note the repentance part.
 
I would head for the nearest indult Tridentine Latin Mass. :clapping:

Kathie :bowdown:
 
jaralenio said:
All I can say is that is a Catholic Mass, where you will find saints, sinners, hypocrites and families who don’t pay attention and dress inappropriate. Remember this passage: (Luke 5: 30-32) 30: And the Pharisees and their scribes murmured against his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”
31: And Jesus answered them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick;
32: I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Pray for this family, pray for patience and petition your pastor to post signs stating proper attire at Mass.

God Bless you!

You can always point them to Miss Manners! 😉
 
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Mummybee:
You all have great suggestions. I’ll work on them all. Thanks. 🙂
I’m from suburban Pittsburgh too, so I’m nebby (ultra curious) to know what parish this. 😃

You can PM me if you’d prefer…
 
'm from suburban Pittsburgh too, so I’m nebby (ultra curious)
Aah…it’s a Pittsburghism!! My husband used to be all :confused: when I’d say “neb-nosed” or “neb-in”. Now he has started using it to.

There’s a couple more speech patterns, that I still get laughed at.
 
I’m not known to be a shrinking violet. I have actually gently excused myself for “interrupting” people who are chatting or otherwise engaged, and asked them if they would please be mindful of the fact that they are distracting me. I’ve never had anyone get mad at me for this. Presentation is everything. 🙂
 
when we travelling back from Ohio a couple of years ago we stopped for Mass, I think in Alabama or Texarkana, someplace rural and southern, a small country church. A large family came in after Mass had started, sat in the front pew (the one with no kneeler) right in front of the altar, and filled the whole pew. They were all dressed in jeans and work shorts, but all clean. the father took off his straw hat. they were well behaved but very curious, looking this way and that, often making comments (but quietly) to each other. the smaller kids often standing and moving closer to the altar to watch. they did not use missallettes, sing or make the responses. Although they were not obnoxious, because the church was so small, their presence was distracting.

there was a social after Mass so we stayed to eat so we would not have to stop for breakfast. I saw a nun speaking to the parents, and thought she might be admonishing them for their casual dress and behavior. she took them to the head of the line for juice and donuts, found them a table and chatted for a while. I talked to her later and she told me this Mexican family had just entered this country (legally) and were in the locale as migrant workers.
They had been told about the Spanish Mass, but they were a couple of hours early for it.

They are from southern Mexico, both parents and the two oldest were baptized Catholics, but the other 4 children were not, and the children had no catechesis and had not made communion, because in their region there had been no priest for over 20 years. The children had never been to Mass before, although they had visited churches a couple of times. The man was in awe that they would be welcomed there, and made arrangements with the sister for getting his kids started with instruction. The parents were almost in tears in gratitude at the opportunity to worship and bring their children to the faith.
 
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Mummybee:
All the while, the mother sat with her arm on the back of the chair beside her, propping her head up casually, looking like she could barely be bothered to stay awake.
There’s your problem with this family.

If an oh-so-polite comment in a condescending tone of voice doesn’t do the job, I’d excuse myself (saying I need to take my child to the toilet) and promptly go find an usher to remove them. That’s his job.

The cry room is for families with small children and the physically infirm, not for families who act like small children and mentally infirm.
Our pastor is new to our parish, only here barely over a year, and I know he has a lot of things to deal with. I’ve often wondered if he is just ‘waiting for the right time’. Out of respect for him, I’ve held off.
He’s been there a full year and he hasn’t done anything about this??? This priest is not likely to ever deal with it. A good new pastor’s wait-and-see period is about two weeks.

I vote with the others: join a new parish and write a letter to the priest, with a copy to the bishop.
 
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Mummybee:
Okay, I think maybe this is the right forum for this…

THis family was dressed appropriately for a picnic or a day at the amusement park. They had absolutely NO interest in Mass whatsovever, and served as a very serious challenge to my own focus, (and my temper) and that of my family. I very nearly spoke to them, but I’m glad I didn’t, because I think it would have been a distraction to the other parishioners in the chapel. My husband and I couldn’t stop wondering, “Why are you even HERE?”

I might add that the lector wore short shorts and a tank top and sneakers, which not only were inappropriate, but her big fat bubble butt was a prominent disgrace on the altar. I thought, 'You make the teenage altar servers wear cassocks, why can’t you throw one over this broad?" I’m sick to death of eucharistic ministers dressed for a bowling game or the beach, and of the parishioners barely being able to rummage a clean t-shirt, while they tote their kids along wearing the latest hoochie mama short shorts and sleezy tank tops. Of course they are a distraction to my 6 year old, who marvels at their ‘pretty’ clothes. I struggle to help her remember that those clothes are immodest and inappropriate.

I have considered writing our pastor several times (I won’t go in to the renegade usher who revels in sucking down every drop of precious blood he can find and then smacking his lips and delcaring he could finish another one, or the old lady who sat behind us and yelled at my toddler for singing along loudly with the Hosanna). Our pastor is new to our parish, only here barely over a year, and I know he has a lot of things to deal with. I’ve often wondered if he is just ‘waiting for the right time’. Out of respect for him, I’ve held off. We don’t go to our parish every week, because the mass schedule is kind of odd, (we go to the cathedral instead) so I often wonder if he has ‘addressed’ it a mass we didn’t attend there. I don’t want to offend him, but he really needs to speak up. This is a middle to upper-middle class suburban parish, so these people aren’t too poor to own proper church clothes, and the kids are well educated.

Sigh. I don’t know what to do. However, I think that problems with families (like the one I described) DO need to be addressed directly, but I don’t know how.

Any suggestions?
Mummybee,
When I read something like this, it makes me sad. Mainly because there are so many people who go to Mass and just don’t “get it”. On the other hand, it also saddens me to see the anger in your post and the “why are they even here” comment. If these people decide to stay home, their souls could be lost for all eternity.

Please don’t take this the wrong way (and I must point out that I often feel the same way about people), but I think those of us who do “get it” should try in some small way to reach out to those who “don’t get it”. Even if we don’t talk to strangers in Church, maybe there is someone in our family that needs to hear that in every Mass Jesus’ sacrifice at Calvary is made present to us. There are so many Catholics that don’t know what Mass really is. Rather, they see it as a weekly obligation. I know firsthand because not too long ago I was one of those that “didn’t get it”. I am thankful that the Lord kept me going to Mass (physically, but not mentally!) for many years before I started to understand the value of it. I owe so much to the people who took the time to explain things to me. One of my favorite gripes has always been that we need to be instructed more from the pulpit. In other words, it’s the priests’ fault that so many Catholics don’t understand what is happening at Mass. I have recently come to realize that while they do have the responsibility to educate Catholics (especially about proper attire for lay ministers), so do we! We may only touch a few people, but that’s ok. We need to start somewhere and there are people who we encounter in our daily lives (family, coworkers, etc), that need to hear the message.

I hope I didn’t offend you, but I just felt I needed to share these comments. On the other hand, I must commend you for your desire to do something to bring these folks around. Your desire to help will certainly please the Lord.

God Bless,
Gary
 
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puzzleannie:
when we travelling back from Ohio a couple of years ago we stopped for Mass, I think in Alabama or Texarkana, someplace rural and southern, a small country church. A large family came in after Mass had started, sat in the front pew (the one with no kneeler) right in front of the altar, and filled the whole pew. They were all dressed in jeans and work shorts, but all clean. the father took off his straw hat. they were well behaved but very curious, looking this way and that, often making comments (but quietly) to each other. the smaller kids often standing and moving closer to the altar to watch. they did not use missallettes, sing or make the responses. Although they were not obnoxious, because the church was so small, their presence was distracting.

there was a social after Mass so we stayed to eat so we would not have to stop for breakfast. I saw a nun speaking to the parents, and thought she might be admonishing them for their casual dress and behavior. she took them to the head of the line for juice and donuts, found them a table and chatted for a while. I talked to her later and she told me this Mexican family had just entered this country (legally) and were in the locale as migrant workers.
They had been told about the Spanish Mass, but they were a couple of hours early for it.

They are from southern Mexico, both parents and the two oldest were baptized Catholics, but the other 4 children were not, and the children had no catechesis and had not made communion, because in their region there had been no priest for over 20 years. The children had never been to Mass before, although they had visited churches a couple of times. The man was in awe that they would be welcomed there, and made arrangements with the sister for getting his kids started with instruction. The parents were almost in tears in gratitude at the opportunity to worship and bring their children to the faith.
Annie, why did you have to go and make me cry? I’m too old a man to be shedding tears!
 
Sounds like you are a saint for putting up with them. Some times you just have to tell people to stop.

bruce
 
Ya know I hate to sound like a broken record but I think God put you together for a reason. Maybe you are supposed to be a good example for this family, or maybe you are supposed to help the obviously out of control teens. I would have to say pray for them and for God’s will. This doesn’t mean that should you see them again, you shouldn’t say something to them if they are distracting you from mass. At least they were there…you know what I mean?
 
Hey, Gary…

No no no, you didn’t offend me! 🙂
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gez722:
Mummybee,

Please don’t take this the wrong way (and I must point out that I often feel the same way about people), but I think those of us who do “get it” should try in some small way to reach out to those who “don’t get it”.
This is my whole point. How on earth do you deal with these people? My biggest reason for not speaking to them was anticipating the antagonism that would come right back at me. I feared it would turn into a scene, and that would be even worse. People who are that disrespectful of others (and our Lord!) rarely would react without hostility to a scenario like that, no matter how mildly they are approached. Believe me, I don’t believe in kowtowing with silence, but I had to chose what was the greater good in the situation.

I certainly agree that they need prayers and guidance. However, in this world of rabidly hostile and worldly focused people, are they doing more harm than good?

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
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