You haven’t answered the ultimate question.
I think that you are again placing human characteristics on an eternal being or force. My guess is that he watches creation with fascination. I think that we have all done something similar on a vastly smaller scale.You haven’t answered the ultimate question.
Why does the Deist God create a vast universe and then turn his back on it?
This goes against our natural reasoning and requires an answer, not a mere shrug of the shoulders, which is all I’m getting from you.
I gather you weren’t looking for an answer so I’ll let you do the searching. It’s all in the last few months…basically since Christmas, in the philosophy thread. You’ll either look at them or not…all the same to me.
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Maybe God does know we’re here, and is with us all the way.
Maybe because I have too much respect for the Deity to lay any part of this mess at His feet. Daily I see things that should not exist under an all-loving, all-knowing, ever-present God, no matter how someone tries to rationalize it.
Your belief that “things that should not exist” implies that you are aware of feasible alternatives. How would you justify that claim?
In that case we shouldn’t take your arguments seriously! Blips are more likely than not to make slips…
An ignorant Creator of this universe is an oxymoron. Biomimicry implies an intelligent Source of co-ordination and development.
To class **all **posts as equally probative implies a superior degree of knowledge! What gives you such privileged insight?
You seem to be contradicting yourself! How can you respect a God who either doesn’t know, doesn’t care or cannot rectify what is happening? In at least one respect you must be superior to your Creator.
The incredible power required to create an immensely complex and orderly system of development which has produced rational beings implies the power to intervene. Otherwise the effect is greater than the cause.
It implies nothing of the sort, but rape, murder, abortion ,war, plague, etc. are a real issue for an omniscient God. If I had the alternatives, beyond untried theories I mean, I would have said so long ago.Your belief that “things that should not exist” implies that you are aware of feasible alternatives. How would you justify that claim?
The old watch statement again…I disagree.In that case we shouldn’t take your arguments seriously! Blips are more likely than not to make slips…
An ignorant Creator of this universe is an oxymoron. Biomimicry implies an intelligent Source of co-ordination and development.
It doesn’t require much insight to realize that people down through the ages have not been able to prove the existence of any deity, regardless of the religion. That is why mankind invented philosophy…the legal profession of free thought.To class **all **posts as equally probative implies a superior degree of knowledge! What gives you such privileged insight?
No, I respect a God who does not create sentient life so they will love Him, doesn’t include a comprehensive statement, leaves the system to others of his creation, then creates a place of torment for those who don’t get it.You seem to be contradicting yourself! How can you respect a God who either doesn’t know, doesn’t care or cannot rectify what is happening? In at least one respect you must be superior to your Creator.
It would be more consistent to abandon deism rather than cling to an inadequate notion of the deity. “By their fruits you shall know them” is as true now as it was when those words were spoken by Jesus.
We aren’t even sure how much power was needed at the beginning of the universe, He just set it in motion.The incredible power required to create an immensely complex and orderly system of development which has produced rational beings implies the power to intervene. Otherwise the effect is greater than the cause.
The human soul, once created, must necessarily continue to exist because nothing can destroy it.
Something that is created but necessarily continues to exist is not the result of chance but design.
Not really…I can observe that human being have attained the state of sentience, the stage where we are self-aware, have a notion of good and bad, can create, etc…some might call that a soul. Whether it can maintain enough coherence post-death to allow for an after-life, I’m not certain.
Something that can be created by chance rather than design is created by the universe which can also destroy it, and it will be destroyed since it is scientifically known that the universe will expand forever and disintegrate into chaotic energy, even, in the very distant future, protons will decay to energy. The universe is doomed.
This is not a mess at his feet. If it was truly a mess, we would all kill ourselves.
