How to defend this apparent discrepancy: Non-Catholic pastors can validly baptize, but NOT administer a valid Eucharist

[Bookcat]

Valid Sacrament of Holy Orders (of Ministerial Priest) is needful in terms of the Eucharist. I as a lay person cannot either…nor can a ordained Catholic Deacon.

But Baptism simply does not require a Priest for valid baptism.

 

[Pilosopo]

CONSIDER this:

Jesus our PERFECT [unerring] God

Told only HIS Apostles: Directy; spcifically and exclusively" “do this in menoory of me”
Luke 22:21 & Paul: 1st/ Cor. 11:23-26

AND look at my previous POST and you’ll see that ONLY the Apostles and by necessary succession; todays CC’s and the eastern Churches in Schism; DO HAVE direct Apostolic Succession.

Are we to presume that God did not plan for contingencies

HERE"S WAY sicincly:

Every other church and set of faith beliefs is:

MAN-Originated: [Not God-FOUNDED!]

&** In Competition **with Christ One and ONLY Church

Because there is ONLY One God

Because God IS Good and Perfect

God can ONLY Hold One set of Faith beliefs on LONG-defiend issues,

CERTAINLY God did not wait for the Protestant Revolution to expose His Singular truhs.

I pray this clarifies it for you.

And regarding deacons… deacons can minister communion as in distribute Holy Communion, but cannot consecrate bread and wine into the Body & Blood of Christ?

Thanks.

 

[PJM]

=Pilosopo;10734172]And regarding deacons… deacons can minister communion as in distribute Holy Communion, but cannot consecrate bread and wine into the Body & Blood of Christ?

Thanks.

Correct
BUT the Ordianry ministers of Holy Communion are Preist, Bishops and Deacons.

God Bless you,
Pat

 

[PacoG]

And regarding deacons… deacons can minister communion as in distribute Holy Communion, but cannot consecrate bread and wine into the Body & Blood of Christ?

The Bishop and the Priest are the only ministers of the Eucharist. Only they can consecrate.

The Bishop, Priest and Deacon are the Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. I seem to remember that instituted acolyte is also an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion. i may be wrong (some correct me if I am.) Lay people by delegation are Extra-ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

It is quite simple. It is a link to the Priesthood from before Christ. Only A priest can offer a sacrifice. The Eucharist is a sacrifice and therfore can only be offered by a priest of Chirst. Baptism is not a sacrafice. Now so as to not start another debate it is not a new sacrifice it is Joining with the High Priest Chirst in the sacrifce that he offered in the Upper Room and on Calvery, once and for all throughtout time. And through the Grace and mystery of God we are Joined to it in time eternal at the Mass.

 

[owensjo]

Just to add a word of emphasis. The non-Catholic does not need to be a Christian, or believe in the existence of God. ANYONE can baptize validly in an emergency.

BECAUSE this is the gateway to all other sacraments and to salvation. It must be readily available in emergencies.

For the baptism to be valid, the baptizer must intend to do what the Church does.

 

[jmcrae]

A complaint from a Protestant friend:

So, if a non-Catholic pastor can validly baptize – which even the Catholic church recognizes. Why can’t a non-Catholic pastor validly consecrate the Eucharist? (for example, let’s say in the Lutheran or Anglican tradition). That seems inconsistent

Thanks for your help!

Anyone can baptize, and that includes Protestants who are pastors of their congregations.

A priest is ordained by his Bishop, who in his own turn is chosen by the Pope (The Bishop of Rome, which is the leading city of the Church) who is the successor of Peter, an Apostle of Jesus Christ. Jesus gave power to Peter to bind and loose, which means that Peter has the authority to give authority to others.

Authority that does not come from Peter is not authentic. Protestants, because they refuse the authority of the Bishop of Rome, therefore have no authority of their own to confect the Eucharist, nor any of the other things that belong to the successors of the Apostles (ie: hear Confessions, establish churches, ordain priests, and so on).