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Jacafamala
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Well, like what? What’s a good sandal in your estimation?
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EasterJoy
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It is up to the bishop, and there are practical limits in a pastoral sense on how a bishop can implement even what he thinks on the matter in his own diocese.
As for the rest of us, we’d be more in line with reality if we were to say what we’d do with 100 million dollars dropped on our laps tax-free, because we’re more likely to get it.
In a practical sense, it isn’t going to happen, so this is a moot discussion. Still, there were times when anyone who didn’t have these would be such an object of pity that someone would supply them, so they could have decent worship clothes. In those times, be sure that compliance was expected.
Still, it probably wouldn’t take a bouncer to keep you out of a church, even today. For instance, I don’t think you’d have much reason to stay, if it became clear that the priest was not going to start Mass until you decided to either leave or get some “proper” clothes on. You’re not the only stubborn guy to have darkened the door of a Catholic church. If the priest and parish were only enforcing the bishop’s policies, and the parish had offered to provide on the spot whatever you needed to come to Mass decently dressed, who would you complain to? You would not have a leg to stand on.
Places that have an enforced dress code don’t pull you out. They politely but firmly prevent you from going in, or else they refrain from starting whatever everyone has gathered for until all who will not comply with the prevailing rules have removed themselves. Such enforcement only requires a widespread consensus to work. Once that is in place, those who don’t agree will hardly garner national attention. That is why St. Peter’s Basilica has not been in the international news. There are lots of disgruntled tourists, but it is not news to anybody that the Pope has every right to enforce a reasonable dress code. Places that require men to wear a tie and jacket are not unknown in the US.
If clothes were supplied, so that the practical effect was in no way to prevent the destitute from worship, then in theory it could be done. It won’t be, but it could be.
Oregon’s former governor, John Kitzhaber, used to go everywhere in jeans, cowboy boots, and nice cowboy boots. It all depends on what the local sense of “dressed up” is. If you’re the governor, you get to decide what that is for whatever state function you attend.I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Jacafamala
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The pastor can set limits. Mine does. Problem solved.
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mkingdomlvr
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Me either. I have nice slacks and blazers that I wear and I’m much covering much more of my body than the dress and skirt wearing folks are.
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OhMalley
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I would use the same criteria for any foot covering.Well, like what? What’s a good sandal in your estimation?
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adstrinity
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A GOOD sandal? These are pretty good. Comfy. Non-neck breaking. PrettyWell, like what? What’s a good sandal in your estimation?
http://pinkmafia.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/s_flip-flops.jpg
I have seen women in these, though:
http://www.shoesique.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/chilli-pepper-sandals.jpg
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CFI
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In India the best way to attend church is in bare feet.
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Grimble
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As an Ex-Pagan we used to wear ritual robes for celebrations etc as to change from everyday normality and it used to aid focus. However not everyone who came along had ritual robes and would stay in whatever they were wearing.
I certainly would not turn anyone away as it was fantastic that they came, as long as there intentions were right.
Life’s to short to pick on people who you think may be out of order in what they are wearing, there are enough worries in the world and I really believe that Jesus would not think for one second in what you or anyone else was wearing, he would love you no matter how you are presented.
It’s petty debates like this that divide people, friends, communitys, countries etc. and for what. Pieces of material drapped accross your already beautiful body.
Look at the problems with women in Iran & Gaza, they are shouted off the streets if they do not wear a head covering.
Time to evolve, time to show love instead of judgement.
(Pardon for any grammatical errors as I have dyslexia)
I certainly would not turn anyone away as it was fantastic that they came, as long as there intentions were right.
Life’s to short to pick on people who you think may be out of order in what they are wearing, there are enough worries in the world and I really believe that Jesus would not think for one second in what you or anyone else was wearing, he would love you no matter how you are presented.
It’s petty debates like this that divide people, friends, communitys, countries etc. and for what. Pieces of material drapped accross your already beautiful body.
Look at the problems with women in Iran & Gaza, they are shouted off the streets if they do not wear a head covering.
Time to evolve, time to show love instead of judgement.
(Pardon for any grammatical errors as I have dyslexia)
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rwillenborg
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I think you’re absolutely right on this grimble.
SO many people take comments and actions the wrong way.
When someone says ‘So and so is not dressed appropriately for church’ what that person HEARS, very often, is ‘They think I’m not good enough to be here. They think I’m not good enough to stand before the Lord?!?!’
That is not what is SAID mind you, but so often that is what is heard.
And when someone dresses inappropriately for Mass, that sends a message, too. The people in the pews next to them think that their dress shows a lack of love and respect for God. And who would be okay with someone they love not being respected?
So, I get it.
On both sides.
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Jacafamala
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I’d wear those pink ones to the beach. The chili peppers are more for ballroom dancing.
This to me says “summer church shoe”.
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“Little girls summer church shoe”
http://www.stagestruck.co.uk/acatalog/Lilly_Low_Heel.jpg
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mariyka
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You’ve said it perfectly.
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Zea_mays
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do discalced carmelites have to don dress shoes before they go to mass?
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tecvba
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Clean, modest and appropriate. Stylish isn’t really required. Some folks may not be up to date in current styles but they certainly **intend to be respectful **in their dress. There is nothing instinsically special about a suit for men but it shows that they recognize the specialness of where they are going and Who they are going to see.
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OhMalley
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If that priest had the same idea about what constitutes “proper” clothes as some do here (ie. no sandals) then he would be waiting a LONG time to start the Mass.
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dachsiemom
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I wear casual dress for work and will not wear anything to mass that I wouldn’t wear to work. My neices visited this summer and brought shorts, sleeveless tops, T-shirts and casual wear. I took them shopping and bought each an outfit for mass - without spending a fortune. I have seen some real sites - hot pants, athletic wear, men wearing running shorts. The pastor did place a notice in the bulliten at the beginning of summer reminding parishioners about proper dress. The old pastor who was in his 80s would remind parishioners regularly of proper attire for mass during the summer months.
Interestingly, I worked with someone who is a Jehovah Witness. One Sunday her husband and 3 young boys stopped in to say hello after attending their service. All were dressed in suits and ties - even the school aged boys. When she left work to go to services afterwards she would change into a dress and wear nice shoes.
It can be done.
Interestingly, I worked with someone who is a Jehovah Witness. One Sunday her husband and 3 young boys stopped in to say hello after attending their service. All were dressed in suits and ties - even the school aged boys. When she left work to go to services afterwards she would change into a dress and wear nice shoes.
It can be done.
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Jacafamala
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They get a special dispensation, for sandals. Because no one can see their feet from behind the grill.
Only God can.Now hush up and go change your shoes. It’s time for Mass. And don’t give me that look! You’re like a bunch of teenagers. Rebels.
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EasterJoy
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There are limits on what kind of limits a pastor can set, in absence of approval by his bishop.
My old parish was started by the congregation of a priest who, back in Minnesota in the 1880s or so, gave a Sunday homily in which he forebade hoop skirts in church. In those days, there was apparently a Sunday afternoon service, too. When the young ladies showed up in their hoop skirts, he drove them from the church with a stick.
He was placed under interdict by his bishop for this. Although he tried to contact the bishop and clear the matter up, he died before the penalty was lifted. He was revered as a saint by his congregation nonetheless, and they took his body with them when they moved to Oregon.
Remember that you would probably not be the only stubborn man waiting for Mass to start. I know too many guys who would make a posse and eject anybody their pastor wanted out of the church, particularly if it was holding up Mass. If Father said “No sandals”, then it would be “no sandals” and no guff from anybody who didn’t like it, and that would be that. If you wouldn’t leave, they would unceremoniously pick you up and carry you out, even if you were as big as a horse and as ornery as a mule and it took 20 of them to do it, because that is the way they were raised. You may be as stubborn as any O’Malley ever born, but you don’t want to single-handedly take on a pastor whose congregation is full of Catholic men from Germanic or Eastern European farm stock. You may as well try to mess with the Pope in the presence of the Swiss Guard. Right or wrong, you will not win.
I don’t think that the point will ever come to a practical test, however, which is a relief.
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eiram
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There is a major problem these days with the “fashion’s” of today and some of the men, women, boy’s and girl’s who attend mass. Why do they think it ok to let their underwear show?? I don’t understand. I am one woman who does not want to see anyone’s (men’s or women’s) briefs or thongs, I also do not want to see any part of other women’s bra’s!
I am a very short woman and I can not always see the priest during mass when everyone is standing. It’s VERY difficult for me to concentrate on my prayer’s when the woman in front of me either has very low cut jeans on, or dress pants and her underwear is sticking out! Then she turns around and parts of her bra is showing. I am also starting to see women in halter tops and dresses. I wish someone (like our priest) would talk to these men and women and tell them to have more respect for this place of worship. I am praying that our Lord reminds these people somehow to pay more attention to what they are wearing to his house of worship.
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I am a very short woman and I can not always see the priest during mass when everyone is standing. It’s VERY difficult for me to concentrate on my prayer’s when the woman in front of me either has very low cut jeans on, or dress pants and her underwear is sticking out! Then she turns around and parts of her bra is showing. I am also starting to see women in halter tops and dresses. I wish someone (like our priest) would talk to these men and women and tell them to have more respect for this place of worship. I am praying that our Lord reminds these people somehow to pay more attention to what they are wearing to his house of worship.
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adstrinity
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Careful, you may get women who no longer wear underwear and bras in front of you.
Also, what is wrong with a t-shirt with a skull on it? It seems to me many people take issue with that. A skull is a constant reminder, now then, isn’t it? I have one on my desk and another on a poster in my library here. I would think a skull on a t-shirt wouldn’t pose an issue in a Catholic Church…maybe even one with a snake. I mean, it’s why we’re there, people.
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