How to effect the mass conversions very quickly

[John_Russell_Jr]

A theory on How to effect the mass conversions very quickly … … first , there is only the mystical body of Christ and mystical body of satan , there is no in between or nothing else at all , the important thing to note here is anybody in grace is a member of the mystical body of christ and anybody outside grace a member of the mystical body of satan , you can go between them with sin for instance , we know very many non – catholic’s and even non – Christians such as Buddhists , hindus , muslims and many others are in grace because if they were not they would go to hell upon dying , we know about the baptism of desire for instance – those are baptized into the mystical body of Christ of course , the catholic church may not realize that to effect the mass conversions before the end which can be soon even , all it needs to do is acknowledge that all members of the mystical body of Christ are members of gods church – the catholic church , once this is official from the pope the mass conversions are done – but must be formalized as much as possible until the end by making the non – catholics fully fledged catholics as much as possible , it is not accepting other faiths or even pagan beliefs but accepting the person – it is quite different I’m sure you’ll understand , as regards the sacraments other than baptism / of desire that is another question , especially marriage , and it must be looked at closely , if they are in grace can they not worthily receive sacraments ??? you cannot be sure which ones are in grace of course , so the formalization of the incorporation into the church is mostly needed – especially for non – Christians , but it is that easy to effect the mass conversions that must happen , it is , has anyone thought of this simple plan of attack to bring about the mass conversions ??? I don’t think so .
what are your thoughts if any ?

… god bless you …

… john …

 

[MarcusAndreas]

Mystical body of Satan?

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

Mystical body of Satan?

… my dear friend …

… go to therealpresence.org/archives/Christian_Morality/Christian_Morality_003.htm for a good lesson on this , a quote follows from it though …

Then Christ’s exorcisms: One the most remarkable features of the Gospels are the number of exorcisms performed by the Savior. The Fathers of the Church explained these exorcisms in telling us why. For the coming of Christ, the devils saw that their power over the world was being broken and they reacted in dramatic, shall I say, in demonic self-defense. In our day there is extraordinary attention given to the devil. He must be extraordinarily active. One reason, told me by my friend, the chief exorcist of Rome, is that people preoccupied with worldly pursuits are an easy prey to the prince of this world. Satanism is widespread, I never thought I’d have to say this, but say it I must, Satanism has penetrated the Catholic Church and even, may God have mercy on them, religious communities. We close part one of our meditation by reflecting on the contrast between the Church militant and what the early Fathers of the Church call the mystical body of Satan. There are two mystical bodies, one of Christ and one of Satan. The devil, the devil is highly organized and unless the followers of Christ are correspondingly, deeply motivated, strongly organized and zealous, profoundly, heroically zealous, they are no match for the followers of the evil spirit. Which leads us to part two of our meditation.

… god bless you …

… john …

 

[lutherlic]

I am not sure I follow all of that…

We can’t simply make non-Catholics into Catholics by decree. We are Catholic because we accept the teaching of the Church as the truth. Non-Catholics to varying degrees reject that. When we receive the sacraments, we do so with the understanding of what they are. A non-Catholic receiving the Eucharist without the necessary dispositions (e.g. state of grace, belief in the real presence, etc.) would gravely harm their souls as St. Paul pointed out.

Put another way, everyone is invited to receive the sacraments, but to do so they must fully understand and accept what they are - which is accomplished by becoming Catholic.

A final thought - there is a “mass conversion” of some non-Catholics when they die! While they may die as non-Catholics, they enter heaven as Catholics. There are only Catholics in heaven.

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

I am not sure I follow all of that…

We can’t simply make non-Catholics into Catholics by decree. We are Catholic because we accept the teaching of the Church as the truth. Non-Catholics to varying degrees reject that. When we receive the sacraments, we do so with the understanding of what they are. A non-Catholic receiving the Eucharist without the necessary dispositions (e.g. state of grace, belief in the real presence, etc.) would gravely harm their souls as St. Paul pointed out.

Put another way, everyone is invited to receive the sacraments, but to do so they must fully understand and accept what they are - which is accomplished by becoming Catholic.

A final thought - there is a “mass conversion” of some non-Catholics when they die! While they may die as non-Catholics, they enter heaven as Catholics. There are only Catholics in heaven.

… my dear friend …

… i know the difficulty with the sacraments , but you wisely touch on the heart of my argument when you say all men in heaven are catholics even non- catholics and heaps of them are there , we are in " now " where all is present at once and if your catholic at any point in eternity you are catholic already now , that is the trick to this although it is no trick , the church just needs to formalise a reality that is already real , then the process of conversion goes on and may well be easier for the universal church which is far more universal than it knows or realises perhaps ???

… god bless you …

… john …

 

[FCEGM]

A theory on How to effect the mass conversions very quickly … … first , there is only the mystical body of Christ and mystical body of satan , there is no in between or nothing else at all , the important thing to note here is anybody in grace is a member of the mystical body of christ and anybody outside grace a member of the mystical body of satan , you can go between them with sin for instance , we know very many non – catholic’s and even non – Christians such as Buddhists , hindus , muslims and many others are in grace because if they were not they would go to hell upon dying , we know about the baptism of desire for instance – those are baptized into the mystical body of Christ of course , the catholic church may not realize that to effect the mass conversions before the end which can be soon even , all it needs to do is acknowledge that all members of the mystical body of Christ are members of gods church – the catholic church , once this is official from the pope the mass conversions are done – but must be formalized as much as possible until the end by making the non – catholics fully fledged catholics as much as possible , it is not accepting other faiths or even pagan beliefs but accepting the person – it is quite different I’m sure you’ll understand , as regards the sacraments other than baptism / of desire that is another question , especially marriage , and it must be looked at closely , if they are in grace can they not worthily receive sacraments ??? you cannot be sure which ones are in grace of course , so the formalization of the incorporation into the church is mostly needed – especially for non – Christians , but it is that easy to effect the mass conversions that must happen , it is , has anyone thought of this simple plan of attack to bring about the mass conversions ??? I don’t think so .
what are your thoughts if any ?

… god bless you …

… john …

It’s with good reason that no one besides yourself has thought of this: it’s completely untenable that simply by “fiat” non-Catholic Christians and non-Christians are suddenly “converted” to Catholicism. The dignity and freedom of such would be perverted for the sake of a communion that would not be authentic, but rather a mockery of the Sacramental communion within the life of the Church.

we are in " now " where all is present at once and if your catholic at any point in eternity you are catholic already now , that is the trick to this although it is no trick , the church just needs to formalise a reality that is already real ,

Since we have no knowledge of who will or won’t be in Heaven, we cannot presume to force (similar to the proxy baptisms performed by the Mormons) any and all who have no desire to be in union with us in the Church on earth now in the reality of the creation into which we are born. Your idea of universal salvation, unsupported by the teachings of the Church, has distorted your view of true communion with Christ in His Church. The Church cannot do what God Himself has not commanded and has, in fact, forbidden as we see from the writing of St. Paul.

What is a trick, john, are you own fancies which you embrace too enthusiastically.

 

[At_Trent]

, the important thing to note here is anybody in grace is a member of the mystical body of christ and anybody outside grace a member of the mystical body of satan , you can go between them with sin for instance , we know very many non – catholic’s and even non – Christians such as Buddhists , hindus , muslims and many others are in grace because if they were not they would go to hell upon dying , we know about the baptism of desire for instance – those are baptized into the mystical body of Christ of course , the catholic church may not realize that to effect the mass conversions before the end which can be soon even , all it needs to do is acknowledge that all members of the mystical body of Christ are members of gods church – the catholic church , once this is official from the pope the mass conversions are done.

Friend you are flirting with heresy.

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

Friend you are flirting with heresy.

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html

… my dear friend …

… i am incapable of heresy because it is never my intention or desire , and if i did make a mistake in my thinking that was a good intention , do you think god would think me a heretic ??? of course not , i’ll explain my thinking further but it is not an encyclical dear friend…

… god bless you …

… john …

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

It’s with good reason that no one besides yourself has thought of this: it’s completely untenable that simply by “fiat” non-Catholic Christians and non-Christians are suddenly “converted” to Catholicism. The dignity and freedom of such would be perverted for the sake of a communion that would not be authentic, but rather a mockery of the Sacramental communion within the life of the Church.

Since we have no knowledge of who will or won’t be in Heaven, we cannot presume to force (similar to the proxy baptisms performed by the Mormons) any and all who have no desire to be in union with us in the Church on earth now in the reality of the creation into which we are born. Your idea of universal salvation, unsupported by the teachings of the Church, has distorted your view of true communion with Christ in His Church. The Church cannot do what God Himself has not commanded and has, in fact, forbidden as we see from the writing of St. Paul.

What is a trick, john, are you own fancies which you embrace too enthusiastically.

… my dear friend …

… i’ll write more to explain this but don’t expect an encyclical

… god bless you …

… john …

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

… my dear friends — one and all …

… firstly , i am not trying to blur the distinction between catholic and non - catholic , i am trying to clarify the connection between them in many instances , i am certainly not saying non - catholics can come to mass and receive holy commnuion or any sacraments from the catholic church willy nilly either - i understand the gravity of sacrelige , but i will explain a few more things on this " theory " if you will allow me , and remember it is only brief and not a perfectly infallible book length encyclical - so don’t expect that please dear friends , i only wish to talk - cannot people just talk dear friends ??? …

… to be a catholic you just have to be in grace - the state of grace , this is evident by infant baptism and people who are extremely retarded being baptised , and others like what is medically termed vegetables - who are baptised though they never know anything about the catholic faith or what the catholic church teaches - yet if they are in grace they are catholic and eligible for any valid catholic sacraments , i understand in the event they gain the capacity to reject catholicism they lose the grace if they do , but it is not so clear cut as that — god looks deeper and sees if the person is genuinely guilty of rejecting the faith the same way one may well not be guilty of a mortal sin through serious mental illness , i have more to say though , please read on …

… non - catholics who are in grace , and it happens a lot - even with pagans , are not only our genuine brothers and sisters coming from the same parents - adam and eve , but they are children of god and members of his family , they are to be seen as a jesus and in grace they truly are jesus in a very real sense , they are members of christs mystical body , they are members of the elect - and hence they are members of gods church - the true universal chuch - the catholic church or universal assembling - of gods people , this is not an acceptance of non - catholic faiths or beliefs but rather an acceptance of the person and an acknowledgement that if in grace they are catholics , the biggest evidence is if they are in gace they have heaven in their souls already and that means whilst in grace they are already in heaven they just don’t experience that heaven yet ( some may a little though ) and we know once in heaven all are catholics , i am not saying we should not do all in our power to bring all non-catholics into the fold - indeed we should do as much as we can , and as i said we cannot hand out sacraments willy nilly but people should be careful how they treat non - catholics because if their in grace they are catholics - just not fully legitimised , and finally - god reads the non-catholics mind and heart and knows what they would do beyond their ignorance of the truth and if they knew the truth of the catholic church and faith and would most certainly accept it - god judges them on this , god does not judge on their ignorance or prejudices or other that have been taught them , god is a very compassionate god this way , but catholics ought to be damn grateful they have the potential to have the fullest knowledge of the truth and the mass and sacraments that so many partial - catholics ( we might say ) don’t have , it is an enormous blessing - an infinite blessing by god to have the full faith , an inestimable treasure that has infinite and eternal benefits , but be careful talking to non - catholics as in gods eyes they may well be catholics and you don’t know it - disseminate truth eternally though , bring them into the fold , into full communion — so they can have the full benefit of being catholic …

… the catholic church is the true church and all true men of god belong to it , but not all know it or receive the full benefit - that is our fault dear friends …

… i hope that makes my position more clear , please just talk rather than ridicule or condemn me dear friends , i’m happy to just talk …

… god bless you all …

… john …

 

[JimR-OCDS]

John,
I think you’re essentially saying what the Church teaches.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church;

Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

“Through not fault of their own,” can be the fact that for whatever reasons, they just can’t wrap their minds around Catholic doctrine. However, they still live a virtuous life and try to understand the divine creator who made all that there is.

Jim

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

John,
I think you’re essentially saying what the Church teaches.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church;

“Through not fault of their own,” can be the fact that for whatever reasons, they just can’t wrap their minds around Catholic doctrine. However, they still live a virtuous life and try to understand the divine creator who made all that there is.

Jim

… dear jim …

… thx very much , i am only saying what he church teaches + a bit extra , but i’m taking it to the empth and not contradicting it or in conflict with it …

… god bless you …

… john …