How to eliminate the "Islamic" violence?

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Salaam everyone.

Since for many people the “Islamic” violence is a given, I would like to ask our Catholic brethren on what in their eyes should be done to tackle that much talked about “Islamic” violence since the doulorous events of 9/11.

-What do you think is the best approach to contain the “Islamic” violence?

-If you think the “Islamic” terror cannot be contained, what do you think is the “final” solution?

-Do you think for example that the war on “terror” -which claimed so far a trememdous number of innocent people- is the right answer?

Thanks.

Salaam.
Joseph.
 
I don’t expect to see a decline in Islamic violence. Your comment about a “final solution” is most disturbing. I no more wish to see the extermination of the people of Islam than I desire to see the extermination of the Jewish people. I don’t see Christians in the street rioting against Islam nor have I seen Israelis rioting against the Palestinians.

This I know from history. Islam is an intractable force bent upon imposing its will and its faith upon those who do not believe as they do. This is a simple statement of some 1300+ years of observable, quantifiable history. Islam has never ceased its war against western civilization. The west has gained the ascendancy and the Islamic world knows this. The table has turned. We are no longer our barbarian ancestors nor are we weak and divided into multiple petty kingdoms. What we have learned from history is that Islam is a force to be reckoned with and we must be prepared to defend a) our faith. I will tell you truely that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God and if I must be martyred for this belief, may God give me the grace to endure it, b) our countries.

Islam made the same mistake that Admiral Yamamoto did at Pearl Harbor - underestimating the American people. You talk about the innocent people - which innocent people are you talking about? The common folk going about their business and being blown up by suicide bombers (Jews and Christians alike), American Marines in their barracks, American sailors on their ship, all the people slaughtered on 9/11?

The best defense is a good offense.
 
Joseph Alison:

The church recommends DIALOG. Truth will settle it. But until they are completely unwilling to look outside of their whitewashed world, this dialog may not happen.

Many prayers and love on our part is what we can do and hopefully be of assistance when given the opportunity to dialog.

As for a “final solution”, I think only God knows how this will resolve.

in XT.
 
How to eliminate ‘violence’ in Islam is by forgetting violence verses in the quran. Since word of God mean YES and AMEN (my belif) then it is hard for you to eliminate the violance unless you leave Islam. When some followers of something(God, gods etc) do violent action they know its against the nature but since it is commanded by God, then Gods will #1 and its become an obligation. Thats why Jesus taught about Love your enemy, turn the other cheek, etc. More or less, it helps the true christians to see Jesus’ message for peace and humanity.
 
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Joseph_Alison:
Salaam everyone.

Since for many people the “Islamic” violence is a given, I would like to ask our Catholic brethren on what in their eyes should be done to tackle that much talked about “Islamic” violence since the doulorous events of 9/11.

-What do you think is the best approach to contain the “Islamic” violence?

-If you think the “Islamic” terror cannot be contained, what do you think is the “final” solution?

-Do you think for example that the war on “terror” -which claimed so far a trememdous number of innocent people- is the right answer?

Thanks.

Salaam.
Joseph.
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Violence begets violence. Jesus taught in Matthew 5:38-39 and 43-44
"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you”

Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, too many Christians fail to follow this Teaching. I realise it may lead to a scale of martyrdom to rival, or eclipse, the early Christian martyrs, but Jesus told us we must die to ourselves, pick up our Cross daily and follow Him.

G.K. Chesterton said: "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried. "
 
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Joseph_Alison:
Salaam everyone.

Since for many people the “Islamic” violence is a given, I would like to ask our Catholic brethren on what in their eyes should be done to tackle that much talked about “Islamic” violence since the doulorous events of 9/11.

-What do you think is the best approach to contain the “Islamic” violence?

-If you think the “Islamic” terror cannot be contained, what do you think is the “final” solution?

-Do you think for example that the war on “terror” -which claimed so far a trememdous number of innocent people- is the right answer?

Thanks.

Salaam.
Joseph.
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The muslims who condemn these actions NEED TO SPEAK OUT LOUD! I am astonished at how the minute a cartoon of your prophet is ridiculed the muslims speak up nice and loud, yet when terrorist strike there is a very small number of leaders condemning the acts. If all the peaceful muslims of the world who claim the terrorist and these violent protesters are extremist speak up stating their actions are criminal and sinful and make a racket, the world just might believe that these people do not TRULY follow the laws of islam.

So many of you claim muslim to be a peaceful religion, its time to prove it, unfortunately actions speak louder than words. These violent attacks are speaking terribly loud around the whole world. Where are your leaders?
 
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Myangel:
The muslims who condemn these actions NEED TO SPEAK OUT LOUD!
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They are - it just doesn’t get a lot of attention here in the West.

For example:
“We strongly denounce and condemn” the caricatures, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani said in a statement on his Web site. But he also referred to “misguided and oppressive” elements within the Muslim community whose actions “projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood.”
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link

or this example
Lebanon’s most prominent Sunni leader, Saad al-Hariri, vowed to track down and prosecute those involved in the attacks.
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“We tell our Christian brothers that any stone thrown against a house or a car was an insult to Muslims,” he said from Paris.
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brotherhrolf:
I don’t expect to see a decline in Islamic violence. Your comment about a “final solution” is most disturbing. I no more wish to see the extermination of the people of Islam than I desire to see the extermination of the Jewish people. I don’t see Christians in the street rioting against Islam nor have I seen Israelis rioting against the Palestinians.

This I know from history. Islam is an intractable force bent upon imposing its will and its faith upon those who do not believe as they do. This is a simple statement of some 1300+ years of observable, quantifiable history. Islam has never ceased its war against western civilization. The west has gained the ascendancy and the Islamic world knows this. The table has turned. We are no longer our barbarian ancestors nor are we weak and divided into multiple petty kingdoms. What we have learned from history is that Islam is a force to be reckoned with and we must be prepared to defend a) our faith. I will tell you truely that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God and if I must be martyred for this belief, may God give me the grace to endure it, b) our countries.

Islam made the same mistake that Admiral Yamamoto did at Pearl Harbor - underestimating the American people. You talk about the innocent people - which innocent people are you talking about? The common folk going about their business and being blown up by suicide bombers (Jews and Christians alike), American Marines in their barracks, American sailors on their ship, all the people slaughtered on 9/11?

The best defense is a good offense.
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Whoa, Brother. Awesome speech! You speak the truth so eloquently that I’m dumbstruck! 👍
 
Guar Fan:
They are - it just doesn’t get a lot of attention here in the West.

For example:

link

or this example
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***"Lebanon’s most prominent Sunni leader, Saad al-Hariri, vowed to track down and prosecute those involved in the attacks.

“We tell our Christian brothers that any stone thrown against a house or a car was an insult to Muslims,” he said from Paris. "***

Thanks for the links, the quote above is reassuring, hopefully more leaders will take this approach, up until now, I have heard only words of condemnation, never promises of action like the above quote. Good for Saad al-Hariri!
 
Well we can convert them to Christianity and that would help eliminate it. Otherwise we have to introduce them to the idea of freedom of speech and how to protest in a civilized way. That looks to be an uphill fight.
 
The OP question is “How to eliminate the Islamic violence?”

The answer is to convert to Islam.

If that’s not acceptable… well, consider that the United States was more or less founded in 1776… the Constitution came later.

And we started fighting with the Islamic world in 1805.

So, what else is new?
 
Guar Fan:
They are - it just doesn’t get a lot of attention here in the West.
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Then those Muslims who feel their religion has been taken over by extremists need to do something about it.

Until terrorists and other Muslim extremists feel that their souls are in danger for blowing up babies, innocent civilians, etc., nothing will change. They certainly cannot be trusted…so I don’t think “dialog” will ever work. No, the solution must come from within Islam, and hopefully some reasonable Muslims will lead the way.
 
Guar Fan:
They are - it just doesn’t get a lot of attention here in the West.

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or this example
Lebanon’s most prominent Sunni leader
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, Saad al-Hariri, vowed to track down and prosecute those involved in the attacks.

“We tell our Christian brothers that any stone thrown against a house or a car was an insult to Muslims,” he said from Paris.

link
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The site you linked to doesn’t say what your quote says

it says
Lebanon’s **leading Sunni politician ** Saad Hariri, said the violence was a “black day” for Lebanon’s Muslims.
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Saad al-Hariri is a politician, the son of Rafik al-Hariri.

Your quote made it sound like Saad al-Hariri is the most prominent Sunni sheikh/cleric in Lebanon. When he isn’t even a sheikh/cleric at all. He is just a politician.

I know you didn’t say he was a sheikh/cleric, but your quote did seem to give that impression, and if i didn’t know who Saad al-Hariri was, i would of probably thought that he was a sheikh/cleric.

I thought i’d mention this in case you didn’t know and in case others didn’t know too.
 
Powerful and frightening speech. I’m afraid he is right. We are headed to a Third Reich type situation in the world. Only this time the world has nuclear weapons.
 
Powerful and frightening speech. I’m afraid he is right. We are headed to a Third Reich type situation in the world. Only this time the world has nuclear weapons.
 
Islam is a weapon of Mass destruction,.

The Mass is the most powerful weapon Christians have.

Attend more often… Islam will be brought to its knees.
 
Only Islam can rid itself of violence. It claims to preach peace then they must submitt to their own teachings. If they do not respect their own teachings then they are lost unto themselves being lord of their own selfcenteredness. Submission to the true God will quench what ever desperation they feel and bring peace to them. “The truth shall set you free” If they do not feel free and feel oppressed or dominated by the world then they do not obviously have the truth. That goes for all people who feel they must use violence, opression and force to overcome others and prove your point.

Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy.
 
I wish Islam had their equivalent of our Pope, then he could simply excommunicate those who interpret the Quran incorrectly. At least there would be no confusion on what Islam is all about.

Just my tuppenceworth.

DD
 
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