How to eliminate the "Islamic" violence?

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Eileen T:
Violence begets violence. Jesus taught in Matthew 5:38-39 and 43-44
"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you”
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All Christians must come to the realization that we cannot QUOTE from our Bible when discussing religion differences with the Islamic faith. Muslims believe the Bible is corrupt and that it’s message is corrupted, and therefore, any offer of passage from the Bible is completely ignored, disrespected and disregarded by Muslims.

It is useless to quote scripture from the Bible in any instance when dealing with Muslims and a call to peace in the world.
 
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discipleofJesus:
The site you linked to doesn’t say what your quote says
Yeah… I am not sure what happened. :confused:

Okay here it is in another BBC article. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm
 
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CindyGia:
All Christians must come to the realization that we cannot QUOTE from our Bible when discussing religion differences with the Islamic faith. Muslims believe the Bible is corrupt and that it’s message is corrupted, and therefore, any offer of passage from the Bible is completely ignored, disrespected and disregarded by Muslims.

It is useless to quote scripture from the Bible in any instance when dealing with Muslims and a call to peace in the world.
The OP asked:
Since for many people the “Islamic” violence is a given, I would like to ask our Catholic brethren on what in their eyes should be done to tackle that much talked about “Islamic” violence since the doulorous events of 9/11.
-What do you think is the best approach to contain the “Islamic” violence?
I was responding, as a Catholic, what I think our (Catholic) response to this violence should be.

Joseph_Alison asked a question, I answered. That’s all.
 
We might ask how we eliminated Christian violence and see if it is applicable to eliminating Muslim violence.

The KKK considered itself a Christian group, and had a large following of Christians. It ws rendered almost powerless when the population from which it grew repudiated it. They repudiated it because they realized its goals were not their goals.
 
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Joseph_Alison:
Salaam everyone.

Since for many people the “Islamic” violence is a given, I would like to ask our Catholic brethren on what in their eyes should be done to tackle that much talked about “Islamic” violence since the doulorous events of 9/11.

-What do you think is the best approach to contain the “Islamic” violence?

-If you think the “Islamic” terror cannot be contained, what do you think is the “final” solution?

-Do you think for example that the war on “terror” -which claimed so far a trememdous number of innocent people- is the right answer?

Thanks.

Salaam.
Joseph.
Muslims do not respect weakness in either person or country. Terror is a means to an “honorable” end, and not whether it is right or wrong. The west cannot deal with this mindset. Its either win all or loose all. When was the last time you saw an Islamic government agree to a compromise AND REMAIN in that compromise. It never works. Muslims do not believe in half of a loaf.
 
I encourage everyone to read up on their history of Islam. Leopards do not change their spots nor zebras their stripes. One will note that the OP has not bothered to refute any of our claims. Why? Because we have 1300+ years of history which show the truth about “peaceful” Islam.
 
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brotherhrolf:
I encourage everyone to read up on their history of Islam. Leopards do not change their spots nor zebras their stripes. One will note that the OP has not bothered to refute any of our claims. Why? Because we have 1300+ years of history which show the truth about “peaceful” Islam.
Interesting thought about leopards. Does that mean we can expect the Church to advocate burning people who disagree with it?
 
The solution is very simple: a christian reinassance in Europe and all Western and a conversion of all muslims to catholicism.
 
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Franze:
The solution is very simple: a christian reinassance in Europe and all Western and a conversion of all muslims to catholicism.
Christianity has a long history of violence. Why would Christianity change anything? It hasn’t made Christians non-violent.
 
Seems to me that we should start by eliminating the mullahs and ayatollahs who preach and teach hate.
 
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Aquarius:
Christianity has a long history of violence. Why would Christianity change anything? It hasn’t made Christians non-violent.
So you mean to tell me Christians are STILL violent? You need to get over the Crusades, buddy. It was a long time ago and if it wasn’t for the Roman Catholic Church we will all be praying to Allah 5 times a day. I, as a Catholic Christian, would never apologize for the Crusades. It stopped Islam. Who will stop it now? The Catholic Church used to have fangs, but has been de-balled by the liberals (from the inside and out) and secularism. The Catholic Church used to be a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunatley, not anymore.
 
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Joseph_Alison:
Salaam everyone.

Since for many people the “Islamic” violence is a given, I would like to ask our Catholic brethren on what in their eyes should be done to tackle that much talked about “Islamic” violence since the doulorous events of 9/11.

-What do you think is the best approach to contain the “Islamic” violence?

-If you think the “Islamic” terror cannot be contained, what do you think is the “final” solution?

-Do you think for example that the war on “terror” -which claimed so far a trememdous number of innocent people- is the right answer?

Thanks.

Salaam.
Joseph.

The so-called “war on terror” is ill-conceived, and doomed to fail, because it does not treat Islam as a theological entity. Unless Islam’s way of thinking is understood, it cannot be defeated. And it must be defeated. God knows how. The bomb, is not the answer - war never is; this one least of all.​

I do know that Muslims do not want co-existence, let alone equality, or respect: they want domination - quite reasonably, from their POV. It would surprising if they did not. The Communists were no different; neither were the fantasies of the West. Some things never change.

Christians are doomed by the idiocy of Western politicians either to be dhimmis, or slaves, or killed. As most politicians could not care less about anything that does not have a money sign next to it, they can no more understand Islam than a eunuch can understand the joys of marriage.

Harsh ? Certainly - but it’s true. Ask the Sudanese Christians, or the animists there.

I can respect Osama bin Laden and Abu Laban and Abu Hamza and other preachers of violence - they know what they want, and they are prepared to move heaven and earth to get it. They will stop at nothing, not even death. They abominate the Jews - so they are quite prepared to wipe them out; they have often expressed the desire and intention to do so. It is not very “respectful” to them, to insist they do not hate us and the Jews, and do not teach hate as a duty - for their words are clear.

For the politicians and priests who insist on the peacefulness and tolerance of Islam - despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary - I have no respect whatever. They are blinder than the politicians and priests who praised Hitlerism & Stalinism, because those men lived before the crimes of these tyrants became known; they had many excuses to be fooled. The same cannot be said for their counterparts today. Western clergy make me despair - their wilful blindness is a settled habit, for they have ignored and denied the sufferings of Christians under Communism for decades. The Churches don’t even have days of prayer for the Persecuted Church. So one cannot expect them to bother about their brethren who are oppressed by Muslims.

The politicians are cowards and liars, because they are secularists - they cannot imagine that others would die a thousand deaths, even if they caused a thousand in doing so, to honour a god they serve, because they themselves fear death and live only for this world. They are fattening themselves to be slaughtered like cattle. Their foolishness is beyond words ##
 
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jay29:
So you mean to tell me Christians are STILL violent? You need to get over the Crusades, buddy. It was a long time ago and if it wasn’t for the Roman Catholic Church we will all be praying to Allah 5 times a day. I, as a Catholic Christian, would never apologize for the Crusades. It stopped Islam. Who will stop it now? The Catholic Church used to have fangs, but has been de-balled by the liberals (from the inside and out) and secularism. The Catholic Church used to be a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunatley, not anymore.
Who mentioned the Crusades? Look at the history or Europe since the Crusades. Europe was Christian and violent.

I agree the Church is no longer a force to be reckoned with. Nor are other religions in our society. We can thank secular government for that step forward.
 
Of course, European history is full of violence in the name of religion. That is a given. We need only look at the recent conflict in Bosnia as an example. However, I do believe that it can be argued that one does not see the average Christian or Jew in western countries today taking to the streets and burning Iranian flags or embassies each time their Hitlerian president makes one of his “profound” statements about the Holocaust or whether or not Israel should survive.

Most Christian churches ceased to be political forces to be reckoned with in the 18th century during the Enlightenment. But I would hardly call those governments which led to the diminishing of the power of the church secular. Secular governments in the sense that you are using it are creatures of the late 20th century.

But, we digress. We are discussing “Islamic” violence today not Christian “violence” in history.
 
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brotherhrolf:
Of course, European history is full of violence in the name of religion. That is a given. We need only look at the recent conflict in Bosnia as an example. However, I do believe that it can be argued that one does not see the average Christian or Jew in western countries today taking to the streets and burning Iranian flags or embassies each time their Hitlerian president makes one of his “profound” statements about the Holocaust or whether or not Israel should survive.

Most Christian churches ceased to be political forces to be reckoned with in the 18th century during the Enlightenment. But I would hardly call those governments which led to the diminishing of the power of the church secular. Secular governments in the sense that you are using it are creatures of the late 20th century.

But, we digress. We are discussing “Islamic” violence today not Christian “violence” in history.
I don’t see the average Muslim taking to the streets either. I see Muslims in the street, but the vast, overwhelming majority are not. There are one billion Muslims. They are not all in the street.
 
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Aquarius:
I don’t see the average Muslim taking to the streets either. I see Muslims in the street, but the vast, overwhelming majority are not. There are one billion Muslims. They are not all in the street.
No, but I bet they are there in spirit.
 
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StMarkEofE:
No, but I bet they are there in spirit.
How do you know?

Would it be reasonable to say all the Christians in the US were with the KKK in spirit when it rode?
 
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Aquarius:
How do you know?

Would it be reasonable to say all the Christians in the US were with the KKK in spirit when it rode?
If by Christian are you refering to Evangelicals and Pentecostals, Baptists? Maybe. It is important to remember that during the hey day of the KKK even the Honorable Senator Byrd from West Virginia held a high position in the KKK. So it must have been just more that a bunch of hulligans running amuk and setting fires all over the place. I will never defend these despicable people but to some this was a union, a lodge a brotherhood to the most poor of white people. We dont condone what they did but it may be helpful to understand why this organization even got started after the civil war.
 
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StMarkEofE:
If by Christian are you refering to Evangelicals and Pentecostals, Baptists? Maybe. It is important to remember that during the hey day of the KKK even the Honorable Senator Byrd from West Virginia held a high position in the KKK. So it must have been just more that a bunch of hulligans running amuk and setting fires all over the place. I will never defend these despicable people but to some this was a union, a lodge a brotherhood to the most poor of white people. We dont condone what they did but it may be helpful to understand why this organization even got started after the civil war.
By Christians I mean baptized people who profess to follow Christ.

So, you think millions of Christians were riding with the KKK in spirit?
 
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