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Lance
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Then why did you bring up the Crusades? What slaughter have Christians committed in the last 50 years in the name of religion?
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ComradeAndrei
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Amen.
Another unfortunate situation is the growing Muslim population in Europe. They tried to invade and conquer Europe and were beaten, now they just move in! With Europe’s increasing secularization and low birthrates, they might be conquered by Muslim population growth. That is sad.
Look at all the violence and problems, the riots in France and Germany a few months ago. I say they just want to make Europe another Islamic state and will try to do this through any means.
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Al_Masetti
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What was the justification, at the time, for the Crusades?
Seems to me that the Holy Land had been occupied by Muslims invading up from Arabia and were wiping out the Christians. After this went on for a while, the Pope organized the first Crusade.
The Crusades, were a REACTION to the Muslim actions, NOT an offensive invasion.
The Crusades may have gone off-track, but after a couple of hundred years of Crusades to the Middle East, the Muslims were forced to act defensively and to look “inwardly” instead of focusing on offensive invasions of Europe.
Please also keep in mind there was an entirely separate set of Crusades to Spain to help liberate Spain from the Muslim / Moorish invasion of Spain that started in AD 711 from Africa and had advanced all the way up into France until stopped at the battle of Tours by Charles Martel. The war in Spain lasted until AD 1492 or thereabouts.
So we should prepare ourselves for a long haul.
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Aquarius
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Historically, I see little difference between Christians and Muslims in the area of violence. Christians have a violent history. So do Muslims.Do you believe that Islam works? Tell us how wonderful you think Islam is. The rest of your comments don’t even merit a response.
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I wait with bated breath for your commentaries about the wonders of Islam!
I don’t see how either can demonstrate it is a religion of peace.
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Aquarius
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Bosnia.
While one does not have to use the Crusades to demonstrate violence, the slaughter of everyone in Jerusalem by Christian Crusaders marching under the cross and commissioned by the pope is just too good to let pass.
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Aquarius
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Al Masetti:
I’d say the slaughter of everyone in the holy city of Jerusalem by Christian Crusaders marching under the cross and commissisoned by the pope could be seen as a bit more than going off track.
Do Muslims go off track? Or is it only Christians who go off track?
Going off track?
I’d say the slaughter of everyone in the holy city of Jerusalem by Christian Crusaders marching under the cross and commissisoned by the pope could be seen as a bit more than going off track.
Do Muslims go off track? Or is it only Christians who go off track?
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Aquarius
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The best part of the story is they were invited.
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Lance
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News flash, Milosevic was not a leader in the Christian Church, and none of his followers were. The Imams, mullahs and ayatollas are leaders in the Islamic religion. In my mind this is a big difference.
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brotherhrolf
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Aquarius, the issue is not Christian violence but the insanity of the mounting Islamic violence of the last few days. I reiterate what I said last night. Overt religious violence by Christians for the sake of religion alone ended in the late 17th century precisely because such events as the Thirty Years War were so brutal that they disgusted everyone. I submit to you again - when was the last time you saw massive amounts of Christians or Jews burning buildings, killing clergy of the “offending” religion, killing innocents, and burning neighborhoods because someone “offended” God or Jesus in either the 20th or 21st century?
Oh, and please don’t use the KKK as an example. It and the Knights of the White Camellia were never set up as Christian organizations. They were political organizations designed to counteract reconstruction and to wield power over blacks and Catholics. I am very frustrated by your distortions of history. Such distortions would never be tolerated in a senior or graduate level history seminar.
Oh, and please don’t use the KKK as an example. It and the Knights of the White Camellia were never set up as Christian organizations. They were political organizations designed to counteract reconstruction and to wield power over blacks and Catholics. I am very frustrated by your distortions of history. Such distortions would never be tolerated in a senior or graduate level history seminar.
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siamesecat
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Gottle of Geer said:
Unfortunately this is the truth. How can you win a war against a nation of people that have no problem with killing themselves because their faith is so deep? Americans are certainly not that brave or fanatical, and neither are most other countries. You can’t reason with people who have a totally different mindset, and way of life.
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ComradeAndrei
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Yeah, I know. That is sad too.
I think we would be wise to establish Christendom again and again turn back the Muslims at the gates of Vienna or in the waters of Lepanto. If we are so sissified that we can’t even stand up to them out of fear of being called reactionaries or not politically correct then Europe will be lost.
I think that someday people will finally get fed up with the Islamofascists and fight back.
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Yeshuamysavior
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A radio host once said this “although not all muslims are terrorists, but you cannot deny the fact that all terrorists are muslims”…I believe that not all muslims are violent. They claim that only a certain percentage are radicalized…Some say 1%…theres about 1 billion people who are muslims…you do the math…
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Myangel
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It has already started in Australia, the aussies fought back in huge numbers and there was an outcry of discrimination by the muslims! Noone ever asked what triggered the riots though!
Believe me I was appalled at the riots the aussies started, but you do have to ask yourself how far can one be pushed before enough is enough?
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StMarkEofE
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I keep thinking to myself that there must be reasonable Muslims in the world who would help stem the tide of these outbreaks. I mean, as we have seen, it dosnt take very much to set these lunatics into a frenzy bent on destroying anything that smells of western influence. Where are these reasonable people at? Ive not seen nor read evidences of any major leader of any Muslim nation come out and declare that these demonstrations are wrong. It is my feeling that there is subconcious desire among these “reasonable” people to approve of the west getting their “just rewards” for their “interfering” in Islam’s affairs. What galls me is that our western press is on their side. I guess they too are afraid to come out objectively and fairly for fear that their offices will be torched. However, that wont stop them from degrading anything Christian or Jewish, God forbid.
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StMarkEofE
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The Muslims plan for Europe is to breed out the indiginous populations so that in time Europe will look pretty much like the Middle East. The Mullahs have on many occassions encourage new families to have as many children for the Glory of Allah. The Christians should take a page from this and do likewise.
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Aquarius
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Christians are Christians. Christians killed thousands in Bosnia.
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Aquarius
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Bosnia.
The KKK did indeed set itself up as a Christian organization and was loaded with Christian members.
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StMarkEofE
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The KKK used religion as a means to an end. Most of the membership were poor uneducated white folks who were looking for an identity.
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Aquarius
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Fine with me. The members were still Christians.
How about the idea that Islamists use religion as a means to an end? If that works for Christian terrorists, can the Muslims borrow it?
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Gottle_of_Geer
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That Orthodox Serbs were bombed during Holy Week, of all times, is monstrous - I want to see a return to the mediaeval practice of the “Truce of God”, when certain periods in the year were agreed to be “off limits” for warfare.
The past crimes of Christians are no reason for repeating them. Our faith in Jesus Christ requires us to repent of evil - which is a form of change. Can Islam reject its hatred for Jews and Muslims, and its violence ? Can Islam change, by rejecting the slaughter of civilians, and calling it evil to kill them ? We shall see ##- Status