How to eliminate the "Islamic" violence?

[Aquarius]

## That Orthodox Serbs were bombed during Holy Week, of all times, is monstrous - I want to see a return to the mediaeval practice of the “Truce of God”, when certain periods in the year were agreed to be “off limits” for warfare.

The past crimes of Christians are no reason for repeating them. Christians are suposed to repebnnt of evil - which is a form of change. Can Islam reject its hatred for Jews and Muslims, and its violence ? Can Islam change, by rejecting the slaughter of civilians, and calling it evil to kill them ? We shall see ##

Past crimes of Christians are no reason for repeating them.

However, history shows us that neither Christianity nor Islam are religions of peace.

I suspect any group can change. Christians have backed way off their pogroms.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Aquarius:

Gottle of Geer:

Past crimes of Christians are no reason for repeating them.

However, history shows us that neither Christianity nor Islam are religions of peace.

I suspect any group can change. Christians have backed way off their pogroms.

I’m not trying to suggest that either is - it’s easy to think of instances of Christian evil-doing. That wasn’t my point: I’m not interested in trying to show that one religion is better than another; I’m interested in Christ - it is because of Him, that escape from evil-doing is possible for Christians, from pogroms (for instance) Christ is the Author of peace - Christians aren’t.​

It would be interesting to know the answers to those questions I asked - they are both of great practical interest, to say the least. ##

 

[brotherhrolf]

Aquarius:

Bosnia.

The KKK did indeed set itself up as a Christian organization and was loaded with Christian members.

Show me your proof. This runs contrary to my graduate level history seminars at Louisiana State University on the Reconstruction.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Aquarius:

Fine with me. The members were still Christians.

How about the idea that Islamists use religion as a means to an end? If that works for Christian terrorists, can the Muslims borrow it?

The last time I checked the KKK was uniquely American and not a universal movement as is found in Muhammedism. And if there are any remnants of the KKK around it can amount for much. So your comparison falls very short of making a good point.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Aquarius:

Fine with me. The members were still Christians.

How about the idea that Islamists use religion as a means to an end? If that works for Christian terrorists, can the Muslims borrow it?

It’s hard to see how, if Muslims believe that all men are by nature Muslim, as a Shia friend explained to me some while ago; and as the Koran suggests in various places.​

Christians become so, through Baptism into Jesus Christ and His Death; by nature, we are born outside Christ - no one is ever born a Christian. ##

 

[Aquarius]

## I’m not trying to suggest that either is - it’s easy to think of instances of Christian evil-doing. That wasn’t my point: I’m not interested in trying to show that one religion is better than another; I’m interested in Christ - it is because of Him, that escape from evil-doing is possible for Christians, from pogroms (for instance) Christ is the Author of peace - Christians aren’t.

It would be interesting to know the answers to those questions I asked - they are both of great practical interest, to say the least. ##

Yes. Yes.

 

[StMarkEofE]

## It’s hard to see how, if Muslims believe that all men are by nature Muslim, as a Shia friend explained to me some while ago; and as the Koran suggests in various places.

Christians become so, through Baptism into Jesus Christ and His Death; by nature, we are born outside Christ - no one is ever born a Christian. ##

Are you saying Im a “closet Muslim”? Oh my!

 

[Aquarius]

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[Aquarius]

brotherhrolf:

Show me your proof. This runs contrary to my graduate level history seminars at Louisiana State University on the Reconstruction.

Proof? Care to show yours from that fine LSU graduate level history seminar?

That’s how the KKK defined itself.

Does that fine LSU graduate level history program say the KKK was made up of Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, ET?

When you get beyond Reconstruction in that fine LSU graduate level history seminar, you will find out the KKK became much stronger in later years.

 

[Lance]

Aquarius:

Christians are Christians. Christians killed thousands in Bosnia.

How many did the Muslims kill when they invaded during the Ottoman empire? How many did the Muslims kill in Bosnia? Which Catholic or Orthodox priests told thier parishners to go out and kill the dirty Muslims in the name of God?

 

[StMarkEofE]

Aquarius:

Proof? Care to show yours from that fine LSU graduate level history seminar?

That’s how the KKK defined itself.

Does that fine LSU graduate level history program say the KKK was made up of Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, ET?

When you get beyond Reconstruction in that fine LSU graduate level history seminar, you will find out the KKK became much stronger in later years.

And just how strong are they today. Ne’er a word of this group has been in the papers lately, and for that matter for years.

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Believe me I was appalled at the riots the aussies started, but you do have to ask yourself how far can one be pushed before enough is enough?

Sometimes I think that we should have “finished them off when we had the chance”, but I know that is not right. Someday though, I can certainly see a point when people might just decide to say enough is enough and call their bluff. If they want a cultural/religious war and they provoke us enough, they might just get one.

I keep thinking to myself that there must be reasonable Muslims in the world who would help stem the tide of these outbreaks. I mean, as we have seen, it dosnt take very much to set these lunatics into a frenzy bent on destroying anything that smells of western influence. Where are these reasonable people at? Ive not seen nor read evidences of any major leader of any Muslim nation come out and declare that these demonstrations are wrong. It is my feeling that there is subconcious desire among these “reasonable” people to approve of the west getting their “just rewards” for their “interfering” in Islam’s affairs. What galls me is that our western press is on their side. I guess they too are afraid to come out objectively and fairly for fear that their offices will be torched. However, that wont stop them from degrading anything Christian or Jewish, God forbid.

The reasonable ones are cowed into submission by the same threat of violence that they inflict upon the “West” or “America” or whoever is their enemy flavor of the week. Or, they act reasonable but really support the more wacky ones. They might not think that what the fundies do is right, but they think maybe the end justifies the means.

The Muslims plan for Europe is to breed out the indiginous populations so that in time Europe will look pretty much like the Middle East. The Mullahs have on many occassions encourage new families to have as many children for the Glory of Allah. The Christians should take a page from this and do likewise.

The world’s population is already huge, if we start a population boom-war in inevitable. If Europeans won’t go to war for religion, they’ll go to war to feed their kids.

 

[JOHNYJ]

## That Orthodox Serbs were bombed during Holy Week, of all times, is monstrous - I want to see a return to the mediaeval practice of the “Truce of God”, when certain periods in the year were agreed to be “off limits” for warfare.

The past crimes of Christians are no reason for repeating them. Our faith in Jesus Christ requires us to repent of evil - which is a form of change. Can Islam reject its hatred for Jews and Muslims, and its violence ? Can Islam change, by rejecting the slaughter of civilians, and calling it evil to kill them ? We shall see ##

Lets remember it was Orthodox Serbia that started the Balkan war .It was Orthodox Serbia that murdered muslim women and children and unarmed men.
The west was easy on Serbia, they could have carpet bombed belgrade.

 

[Aquarius]

Lance:

How many did the Muslims kill when they invaded during the Ottoman empire? How many did the Muslims kill in Bosnia? Which Catholic or Orthodox priests told thier parishners to go out and kill the dirty Muslims in the name of God?

The fact remains Christians killed thousands in Bosnia.

My point is simple: history shows us that neither Islam nor Christianity are religions of peace.

 

[Aquarius]

StMarkEofE:

And just how strong are they today. Ne’er a word of this group has been in the papers lately, and for that matter for years.

They are effectively broken today. They lost power when the overwhelming majority turned against them. Unfortunately, it took a long time to turn that majority.

One of the most effective weapons against them was ridicule that could be delivered over a wide area through mass communications.

 

[StMarkEofE]

JOHNYJ:

Lets remember it was Orthodox Serbia that started the Balkan war .It was Orthodox Serbia that murdered muslim women and children and unarmed men.
The west was easy on Serbia, they could have carpet bombed belgrade.

Not excusing what they did, but wasnt there any real reason for the Serbs going to war against the Bosnian Muslims? Wasnt there some atrocities prior to the Balkan wars that may have provoked this war? Has history been rewritten now? Pres. Clinton was placating the Muslim world by doing what he did. The ethnic cleansing that was supposed to be done by the Serbs have been completed by the Bosnian Muslims. Thanks to the U.S. the Muslims now have a strong foothold on that country and have access to the soft undebelly of Eastern Europe.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Aquarius:

Proof? Care to show yours from that fine LSU graduate level history seminar?

That’s how the KKK defined itself.

Does that fine LSU graduate level history program say the KKK was made up of Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, ET?

When you get beyond Reconstruction in that fine LSU graduate level history seminar, you will find out the KKK became much stronger in later years.

college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_051100_kukluxklan.htm

Mock LSU all you want, my friend, but its history department was and is highly respected. Google the names of T. Harry Williams and William Cooper. Oh, and while you are at it you can mock the history department of UNO - Google the name of Stephen Ambrose. I had courses under all three. The Knights of the White Camellia and the KKK were started as political organizations NOT religious. I can back my statements with fact - something you seem curiously unable to do. But this thread is about Islamic violence not Christian. If you want to play the Christian violence game, start a new thread - there are more than a few of us on these forums who are knowledgeable about history.

 

[inJESUS]

My point is simple: history shows us that neither Islam nor Christianity are religions of peace.

wrong. Christianity IS a religion of peace. Jesus IS the symbol of peace; if Christians were not peaceful all the time, it has nothing to do with Christianity but with human sinfulness. Islam is not a religion of peace, its peaceful message is not clear and mohammad is far from being a symbol of peace.

 

[brotherhrolf]

inJesus? If the poster cannot respond to an argument from a strictly historical point of view, any theological argument would perforce be “casting pearls before swine” as Scripture says. The message of the Gospel is one of peace. The message of the Koran is not. It is as basic as that.

The poster reminds me of my neighbors. “Do not confuse us with facts, we know what we know and you are witches”. You see, I do know what it is to live in an area where there is an active (although quite small) KKK chapter and I make no bones about my Catholicism. The KKK is not worried about me - no, they are far more worried about those black evacuees from New Orleans who, by the way, just happen to be Catholic. So, let’s not overload poor Aquarius. When he can come to grips with historical reality, then we can discuss theology with Aquarius.

 

[Myangel]

inJESUS:

wrong. Christianity IS a religion of peace. Jesus IS the symbol of peace; if Christians were not peaceful all the time, it has nothing to do with Christianity but with human sinfulness. Islam is not a religion of peace, its peaceful message is not clear and mohammad is far from being a symbol of peace.

I am a little confused, what does History have to do with the original OP??? Yeah Christians have been violent in the past and some still are (individuals) today, but as inJesus stated above

it has nothing to do with Christianity but with human sinfulness

Christians SHOULD follow Jesus’ teachings, love peace etc and when they dont, they turn their backs on God no matter how much they claim their crime is in the name of religion, Jesus’ teachings refute that.

Muslims follow the Quran which teaches that violence is OK against non muslims.