How to explain conversion?

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So here I am again. For those of you who don’t know my story, I was raised Lutheran but never confirmed. God called me to the Catholic church about 5 months ago and I don’t really know why. I agree with most of Catholic doctrine. Well, except I don’t really understand Papal infallibility. Indulgences are confusing. And so are… all the other things that separate Catholics from Lutherans.

Well, my Dad wants to explain to him tonight why I don’t want to be confirmed in the Lutheran church. What do I tell him? It’s not like I can prove doctrine I don’t understand. He doesn’t seem to believe in being spoken to and specially-led by God. When other people talk about that he kind of rolls his eyes… I’m afraid I haven’t talked much about God leading me to do certain things, because I didn’t want him to think I was crazy.

So what do I say? Do any of you have advice about how to handle this?

Please pray for me.

God bless you,
Grace
 
Just say it’s a personal decision that’s between you and God. I’m sure you’ve prayed over it plenty over time, and can probably go ahead and tell him it’s where you feel you’re being led. He may roll his eyes, so let him. If he thinks it’s crazy, so be it. It would be even crazier than not following God’s call on your life. And just for the record, I entered the Church 17 years ago and still don’t understand it all. I don’t think we are meant to do so in this life.
 

So here I am again. For those of you who don’t know my story, I was raised Lutheran but never confirmed. God called me to the Catholic church about 5 months ago and I don’t really know why. I agree with most of Catholic doctrine. Well, except I don’t really understand Papal infallibility. Indulgences are confusing. And so are… all the other things that separate Catholics from Lutherans.

Well, my Dad wants to explain to him tonight why I don’t want to be confirmed in the Lutheran church. What do I tell him? It’s not like I can prove doctrine I don’t understand. He doesn’t seem to believe in being spoken to and specially-led by God. When other people talk about that he kind of rolls his eyes… I’m afraid I haven’t talked much about God leading me to do certain things, because I didn’t want him to think I was crazy.

So what do I say? Do any of you have advice about how to handle this?

Please pray for me.

God bless you,
Grace
You could simply say it’s your choice and your right to choose. Choices people made in regard to what they believe to be right for them has little to do with ‘proof.’ Why should we have to prove to anyone the decision we are making is the best one FOR US? We are not asking people to agree with our decision. We are simply asking for the right to make our own irrespective of what they think of it…

Why does your dad want an explanation? I would ask him that - why do you want to know? Wny do I need to justify my decision to you?

If someone can answer this then you have a basis for a discussion.
 
You could simply say it’s your choice and your right to choose. Choices people made in regard to what they believe to be right for them has little to do with ‘proof.’ Why should we have to prove to anyone the decision we are making is the best one FOR US? We are not asking people to agree with our decision. We are simply asking for the right to make our own irrespective of what they think of it…

Why does your dad want an explanation? I would ask him that - why do you want to know? Wny do I need to justify my decision to you?

If someone can answer this then you have a basis for a discussion.
He wants me to justify my decision because he cares about me, He wouldn’t want me to get caught up in a cult or a church that believes in free will (he’s that way!) or anything like that. Besides, if he knows why I won’t join the Lutheran church than he can spend all the time until I leave home trying to change my mind.
 
I’m no expert by any means but if I were in your shoes this is what I would do. Speak from the heart and tell him why you want to be catholic. Ask him if he has any questions about the faith and answer them the best you can. If you can’t answer tell him you can find out and do some research.

Pray Grace and answers will come.

Custódi nos, Dómine, ut pupíllam óculi.
Sub umbra alárum tuárum prótege nos.
 
For me conversion was like falling in love. I didn’t know everything about my Beloved but I knew that I loved him. I could no more stop falling in love than fly.
 
Well, insofar as the pope’s role, it is in scripture.

Look at where Christ is speaking to Peter. Christ asks Peter, and Peter alone, 3 times to shepherd his sheep. Peter agrees. Then, Christ gives Peter special, exclusive authority, that he doesn’t even give to any of the other apostles.

Jesus says to Peter in Matthew 18:18:
biblehub.com/matthew/18-18.htm

also in Matthew 16:19:

biblehub.com/matthew/18-18.htm

In scripture, Peter is always listed first of the apostles, and he speaks for them. In the absence of Christ, Peter is clearly in charge. What he says is final. We believe that before Christ ascended, he gave authority to Peter so that the Church would never at any point be without leadership. The last thing Jesus said was that he would be with the Church till the end of time. We have Jesus’ promise.

Now, we Catholics believe that Christ gave authority not only to Peter but also to the apostles when Christ breathed on them all saying:

biblehub.com/john/20-23.htm

Now, Peter, and his descendants, have authority to make indulgences and more. They got that authority directly from Christ.

Other churches split off from the origin Church, which I believe was the ONLY Church that Christ established. People later came along, for a whole range of reasons, decided to ignore the pope, establish their own leaders, their own “popes”, instead.

However, Christ said he would be with the Church till the end of time. We have Christ’s promise. For the other churches who had founders and leaders, like Henry VIII, who started a church, in part, because he couldn’t get an annulment. He also wanted absolute power.

Others came along, one after the other, sometimes 1,500 years down the road saying they had a better idea, to follow them, instead. Although, Christ warned us about that. I don’t see where Luther, or the other churches, were acting under divine authority. It’s just that these churches are man made.

Luther got rid of the papacy, established his own leaders. Did you realize that there are currently approximately 41,000 different kinds of Christianity, a result of all these schisms? However, when we reject the leaders which were set up by Christ (the Pope, Archbishops, bishops, cardinals, and priests), we reject Christ. When we reject Christ, we reject the one who sent him.

Each found it progressively easier to run out, want to start a new church for any reason at all. Some have developed churches which permit divorce, accept the practice of homosexuality even in its leaders.

However, if you go back to scripture, read what Christ and the Bible had to say, I don’t know how they can come to those conclusions.

In any case, going back to your father, I personally think if he is responding like you said, like this… :rolleyes:

that it might make little difference what you say to him. What I mean is that no matter what you say or do, it sounds like he’s very closed. So, while you can try to explain your position, don’t expect him to accept it.
 

So here I am again. For those of you who don’t know my story, I was raised Lutheran but never confirmed. God called me to the Catholic church about 5 months ago and I don’t really know why. I agree with most of Catholic doctrine. Well, except I don’t really understand Papal infallibility. Indulgences are confusing. And so are… all the other things that separate Catholics from Lutherans.

Well, my Dad wants to explain to him tonight why I don’t want to be confirmed in the Lutheran church. What do I tell him? It’s not like I can prove doctrine I don’t understand. He doesn’t seem to believe in being spoken to and specially-led by God. When other people talk about that he kind of rolls his eyes… I’m afraid I haven’t talked much about God leading me to do certain things, because I didn’t want him to think I was crazy.

So what do I say? Do any of you have advice about how to handle this?

Please pray for me.

God bless you,
Grace
This is a hard situation I know all too well. You can look at some of my previous post for some of my back story. Long story short, I was raised a fundamentalist and it did not go over well with my parents and I have yet to speak with them in a yrs time. I hope that changes some day. The best you can do is trust God that he has led you to his 1 true church and understand you do not have all the answers for the past 2k years of history.
To learn history is to learn the truth, and some people may never accept that. Read all you can on infallibility and that helps explain a majority of the major resentments people on the outside do not fathom. I myself read a ton of church history, apologetics and listen to CA podcast through out the day and learn something new all the time and I mean this stuff consumes me and I will pray for an answer or better understanding and I kid you not it comes very shortly from my study. I promise you, this is Gods place he wants us!
Also, a great book is from Peter Kreeft called “Catholic apologetics handbook” this thing is deep but is loaded with info.
 
As Catholics, we have The Real Presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ in The Holy Eucharist.
Nothing can beat that. We meet Jesus Himself. We also meet Him in The Sacrament of Confession. We have the Fullness of Truth.

Our Church can be traced in an unbroken line to The Apostles. Our church was founded by Jesus Himself.

A good resource is the Youth Catechism. (YouCat).

God bless you.
 
He wants me to justify my decision because he cares about me,
I sympathise with him. It would be good for you to do the same, and to offer him the Church Fathers.
He wouldn’t want me to get caught up in a cult
If he thinks the Catholic Church is a cult, boy, wait until he sees how similar it is to Lutheranism!
or a church that believes in free will
Lutherans believe in free will… don’t they?
Besides, if he knows why I won’t join the Lutheran church than he can spend all the time until I leave home trying to change my mind.
Again, I sympathise.

Get to know, at least cursorily, the Church Fathers. They will strengthen your faith and love of Our Lord any way about it. They can also help support you, because the Fathers were Catholic. Even some of the good Lutheran folks around here admit they have continuity with the Catholic Church.

I believe it was St. Augustine of Hippo who said, “I would not believe the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.” (See Tood Easton’s post in this thread. The document he quotes - and the website it’s on - is a gold mine.)
 
For me conversion was like falling in love. I didn’t know everything about my Beloved but I knew that I loved him. I could no more stop falling in love than fly.
This is really well said. I was raised & confirmed Lutheran, my wife is Catholic. I had “meant” to convert for years after going to each others’ churches. It wasn’t really because she’d asked (she didn’t, in fact), but at one point, I just decided to. After over a decade. I seriously couldn’t explain why at that point. I can explain the differences and how I feel, but that all was downstream from this decision last year.
He wants me to justify my decision because he cares about me,
Does he believe Catholics will be in Heaven?
I don’t know that you need to justify your decision any more than he does. IMHO, Lutherans and Catholics are a lot closer than people think, and a lot closer than most are willing to admit. $0.02 He may want to look at the joint declaration from 1999 as well. For either one to call the other a cult seems silly against the backdrop of the spectrum of other world religions. 🙂
If he thinks the Catholic Church is a cult, boy, wait until he sees how similar it is to Lutheranism!
Yep. 🙂 Good post, btw.
Lutherans believe in free will… don’t they?
Yep, but at least in my experience, they don’t go around talking about it in the same ways. Like several other things, there is a very subtle difference between the two beliefs here, but certainly not one to trip over.
 
You could simply say it’s your choice and your right to choose. Choices people made in regard to what they believe to be right for them has little to do with ‘proof.’ Why should we have to prove to anyone the decision we are making is the best one FOR US? We are not asking people to agree with our decision. We are simply asking for the right to make our own irrespective of what they think of it…

Why does your dad want an explanation? I would ask him that - why do you want to know? Wny do I need to justify my decision to you?

If someone can answer this then you have a basis for a discussion.
Why don’t you want to join the Lutheran Church?
 
Well, that’s what he’s asking now. I am having a hard time explaining it. I guess to me there’s no point in joining a church for a few weeks. I leave for college at the end of ths Month and to me joining a church is a little bit of a commitment to go there. My disagreements with the Lutheran church are not large or firm enough to be a reason. I feel like it would just start a fight if I tell him I’d rather wait and join the true church than be confirmed into a bunch of schismatics.

Any ideas?
 
Well, that’s what he’s asking now. I am having a hard time explaining it. I guess to me there’s no point in joining a church for a few weeks. I leave for college at the end of ths Month and to me joining a church is a little bit of a commitment to go there. My disagreements with the Lutheran church are not large or firm enough to be a reason. I feel like it would just start a fight if I tell him I’d rather wait and join the true church than be confirmed into a bunch of schismatics.

Any ideas?
IMHO, Scott Hahn rocks at explaining away many Protestant objections. Could you make your dad a compromise in that you will discuss the issue with him but only after he’s listened/read about what Catholics truly believe?

I think most of Scott Hahn’s talks are on youtube.

I’ve also read:
Christ in His Fullness by Bruce Sullivan
If Protestantism is True by Devin Rose
Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn

I found the second book loaded with compelling arguments in support of the Catholic Church.

In the first book listed, this Protestant minister went to “convert” his Catholic neighbor who gave him Karl Keating’s Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on “Romanism” by “Bible Christians” BEFORE she would discuss with him his differing views. Long story short, instead of converting her, she converted him!
 
Well, that’s what he’s asking now. I am having a hard time explaining it. I guess to me there’s no point in joining a church for a few weeks. I leave for college at the end of ths Month and to me joining a church is a little bit of a commitment to go there. My disagreements with the Lutheran church are not large or firm enough to be a reason. I feel like it would just start a fight if I tell him I’d rather wait and join the true church than be confirmed into a bunch of schismatics.

Any ideas?
If there is no glaring doctrinal issue you could say you don’t want to. It doesn’t really mean anything to and its your choice. You are not obliged to give a reason - but I appreciate it is hard.

You could say you don’t really know why but as there is no compelling reason to join why can you not wait? What bad things will happen if you don’t join? What’s the rush? Would it not be better to wait until you have a degree of certainty it what you want to do? How would he react if you told him you were thinking about becoming Catholic?

I felt I was called to be Catholic as well and it is a very hard thing to explain to others. I know you don’t want to start a fight particularly over a sensitive issue, but it can be hard to avoid one. My husband was brought up Church of Ireland. (Anglican) He told his parents he did not want to be confirmed Church of Ireland because he was not going to tell lies. His father tried to talk him into it but in the end accepted (reluctantly) his choice. His mum freaked but he stood by his guns. He was 14 at the time. His parents had to accept he said no and there was nothing they could do about it. They got over it. However my husband wasn’t really that bothered about upsetting them.

What about asking your Dad why it’s so important to him you join?

As far as being a cult is concerned - anything can be a cult or not be.
 
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