How to explain the euchrist!

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I was talking to this gentleman about transubstaination and the real prescense. He ask me, “well it still looks like bread and Juice (his church uses Grape juice not wine).” and also, “well why isn’t it canniblism?”. How do I explain how transubstantion and real prencse works? And why is it not Cannablsim?
 
Not quite sure about the cannabalism, but as far as the real presence in general, I’d try a few things.

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-306548622&T1=

Listen to the program called Gospels II. The second half has some of the most insightful stuff on the Eucharist. You could explain it to your friend, or better yet let him listen to it (the presentation is incredible).

Also, show him this:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

The one point that this website leaves out is that parts of the miracle of different sizes were weighed, and each weighed the same. This is incredible, and fits in perfectly with the Churche’s teaching that no matter how much of the Eucharist you have you are having all of Christ.

That miracle is simply amazing.
 
Just the fact that the Roman Pagans called the early Christians cannibals for their liturgical practices, and many people today accuse Catholics today cannibals for our liturgical practices should tell you something, eh? That’s very comforting to me!

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In the Old Testament, God forbid the partaking of any blood from any creature of the earth…it was to be sacrificed on an altar if taken from an animal killed for food because blood is what gives life to the body (I think this is Leviticus 3:17 and more completely on Leviticus 17:10-14).

Jesus Christ isn’t some creature of earth. He’s the Son of Man…the true sacrifice, the true food and drink. I believe God was not only trying to keep His followers from murder or useless killing, He was also reserving partaking in this most holy sacrifice for His Son and His Son alone.

That might help a little with the cannibalism part…as for Christ still looking and tasting like bread and wine, of course!!! What kind of faith would we have if it looked like flesh and tasted like blood? “Blessed are those who have not seen, but have believed” When everything in the whole world, all of your senses and all of your logical reasoning tells you that that is not flesh and blood, you STILL believe…that is true faith and true mystery…and I am so greatful that Christ made it like that:)
 
Hlsodom said:
Is it proper to refer to the Eucharist as Euchrist?
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Generally one gives leeway to understand that typos and mispellings do occur. If it were done on purpose, this would represent a departure from understanding the languages used and the fact that Eucharist is a specific word with specific meaning. But then again, the Catechism calls us to avoid rash judgement in assuming poor intent.
 
Montie_Claunch said:
I was talking to this gentleman about transubstaination and the real prescense. He ask me, “well it still looks like bread and Juice (his church uses Grape juice not wine).” and also, “well why isn’t it canniblism?”. How do I explain how transubstantion and real prencse works? And why is it not Cannablsim?
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It cannot be explained in a way in which we, in our limited 5 senses + conscience, can grasp or understand fully. Only when we leave our senses behind and mute our conscience and walk-forward-in-faith will be embrace the TRUE PRESENCE - not understand, just embrace.

Any attempt in providing an explaination must begin with JESUS words in the Gospel and a discussion on whether or not to believe JESUS. Independent of the subject, do “you” believe in JESUS and what HE teaches us? If “yes” then, walk in faith. If “no” then give them over to the HOLY SPIRIT. If “yes, but with edits”, then their answer is “no” and give them over to the HOLY SPIRIT.
 
Its not cannibalism because while we consume the Eucharist, we do not consume Christ. Instead, it is Christ who consumes us, making us one with Him.
 
CheesusPowerKid said:
In the Old Testament, God forbid the partaking of any blood from any creature of the earth…it was to be sacrificed on an altar if taken from an animal killed for food because blood is what gives life to the body (I think this is Leviticus 3:17 and more completely on Leviticus 17:10-14).

Jesus Christ isn’t some creature of earth. He’s the Son of Man…the true sacrifice, the true food and drink. I believe God was not only trying to keep His followers from murder or useless killing, He was also reserving partaking in this most holy sacrifice for His Son and His Son alone.

That might help a little with the cannibalism part…as for Christ still looking and tasting like bread and wine, of course!!! What kind of faith would we have if it looked like flesh and tasted like blood? “Blessed are those who have not seen, but have believed” When everything in the whole world, all of your senses and all of your logical reasoning tells you that that is not flesh and blood, you STILL believe…that is true faith and true mystery…and I am so greatful that Christ made it like that:)
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I would add only a couple of things to your well thought out answer. We receive the resurrected Jesus in the Eucharist as a sacrament and not in a carnal fashion that befits cannibalism. Moreover, Jesus tells us in John 6 that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood as true food and true drink unto eternal life. Jesus commands us to this and his command trumps any other reservations that we might have.
 
Montie_Claunch said:
I was talking to this gentleman about transubstaination and the real prescense. He ask me, “well it still looks like bread and Juice (his church uses Grape juice not wine).” and also, “well why isn’t it canniblism?”. How do I explain how transubstantion and real prencse works? And why is it not Cannablsim?
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How can it be cannibalism? Christ didn’t tear off a piece of his arm at the last supper, he blessed the bread and wine and said it was His Body and His Blood. It’s a miracle and it’s wonderful.

This is a very good explanation of the Eucharist posted on this website from a convert:

"For me and my husband, one Biblical passage that really helped us was John 6. And to this day, the best apologetic for the Eucharist came to us from our non-Catholic daughter, who was just a teenager at the time. She said that Jesus used a lot of material objects to describe Himself–He said, “I am the Light.” “I am the Door.” “I am the Shepherd.”

But He never said, “That light is Me.” “That door is Me.” “That shepherd is Me.”

However, He did say, “That Bread is Me. That Wine is Me.”

It’s right there in the Bible. My husband and I couldn’t get around this apologetic. My daughter, who is still not Catholic, believes completely that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, Truly Present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, because Jesus SAID SO, in the Bible."
 
Montie_Claunch said:
I was talking to this gentleman about transubstaination and the real prescense. He ask me, “well it still looks like bread and Juice (his church uses Grape juice not wine).” and also, “well why isn’t it canniblism?”. How do I explain how transubstantion and real prencse works? And why is it not Cannablsim?
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Ssscrreeeeeeeechh!!!

First of all - Transubstantiation only occurs in Catholicism and all rites in communion with catholicism.

“in his church its grape juice”…is a non-starter.

Jesus (in this persons perspective) is the first one to suggest [cannabalism] when He says, " you must eat my flesh and drink my blood…"

Is this guy even christian? If not , then he;s only trying to get a rise out of you.

Read this passage of the Gospel and ask yourself, if Jesus was talking about a symbol - why did He let all those good disciples walk away on a misunderstanding?

And - why did he turn to His apostles and ask them what they were going to do? If it was a symbol and for some reason He wanted to let those disciple go…why not let the apostles off the hook and tell them that it was just a symbol?

Keep it simple catholic.
 
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