How to explain these verses in Hebrews?

[LoveChurch]

That was clearly not the only answer given. You are simply ignoring the remainder just as you are ignoring the actual context (not whatever you are thinking of and incorrectly calling context in your follow up). I suspect either a language issue or purposeful obtuseness.

I thought you were talking about Faulken, here is the other answer

One “enters God’s rest” at the end of life in heaven, per the Haydock Commentary.

But my question isn’t about what our end of life, it’s about Hebrews 4:10 and the argument given on it.

Hebrews 4:4… “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.

Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.

My question is specifically how to address those.
Do you think saying those verses simply mean “go to heaven when you die so you can be at rest with God” is going to stand up in a debate?

Look, I am looking for help to understand the defense for this argument. That’s all… I need to be able to debate this. I have already known the explanations given about Hebrews, but they don’t work to defend against this new argument I have learned about.

 

[Todd_Easton]

There are two Sabbath-rests:

1. God’s Sabbath-rest which He entered into once and for all after he finished the work of creation. God’s Sabbath-rest is without end.
2. The temporary and repeating Sabbath-rest which God commanded the Jews to keep once every seven days which, among other things, commemorates God’s Sabbath-rest.

The Sabbath-rest mentioned in Hebrews 4:10 refers to the former Sabbath-rest, i.e., God’s Sabbath-rest, which is without end and which those who persevere in faithfulness until the death will enter into in the afterlife in heaven. Hebrews 4:10 does not refer to the latter Sabbath-rest, i.e., the Sabbath-rest which God commanded the Jews to keep once every seven days, and which St Paul elsewhere refers to as “a shadow of things to come.” (Colossians 2:16-17)

 

[whatistrue]

I thought you were talking about Faulken

I was. More than the answer you quoted came from him.

Look, I am looking for help to understand the defense for this argument. That’s all…

And yet you are rejecting that very help. In a most uncharitable manner I think.

 

[LoveChurch]

And yet you are rejecting that very help. In a most uncharitable manner I think.

It’s because I have known about the answers given on Hebrews already. The problem is this is a new argument I have not seen before.

I am debating this topic and people observing it. I am trying to get the best help.

 

[whatistrue]

Did you actually lay out the argument itself? Not a summary ot impression, but the actual argument.

Based on how I read the fragmentary comment it seems to me that this “new” argument amounts to conflating two different things and ignoring context. So the defense is to correct the errors in the argument. Which is exactly what @Fauken did.

 

[LoveChurch]

The Sabbath-rest mentioned in Hebrews 4:10 refers to the former Sabbath-rest, i.e., God’s Sabbath-rest, which is without end and which those who persevere in faithfulness until the death will enter into in the afterlife in heaven.

But how can that be said when Hebrews 4:4 defines God’s rest as…

Hebrews 4:4 …“On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”

So that is the context given, it defines God’s rest, but then it says…

Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.

It says “Just as God did from his”

Do you see the argument that is being presented? What would be the best to deal with someone presenting this argument? Thanks in advance for those helping me

 

[Vico]

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Do you think saying those verses simply mean “go to heaven when you die so you can be at rest with God” is going to stand up in a debate?

Look, I am looking for help to understand the defense for this argument. That’s all… I need to be able to debate this. I have already known the explanations given about Hebrews, but they don’t work to defend against this new argument I have learned about.

There is more. Once we are resurrected, we truly rest, for as the Lord said, we properly do good works on the Sabbath (the weekday) before the resurrection!

Luke 13

14 And the ruler of the synagogue (being angry that Jesus had healed on the sabbath) answering, said to the multitude: Six days there are wherein you ought to work. In them therefore come, and be healed; and not on the sabbath day. 15 And the Lord answering him, said: Ye hypocrites, doth not every one of you, on the sabbath day, loose his ox or his ass from the manger, and lead them to water? 16 And ought not this daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day? 17 And when he said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the things that were gloriously done by him.

 

[Todd_Easton]

It says “Just as God did from his”

Do you see the argument that is being presented? What would be the best to deal with someone presenting this argument?

Maybe something like this…

Hebrews 4:10 says that anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. This begs the question, What did God do on the eighth day of creation, continue to rest or resume his works of creation? In other words, Was the nature of God’s rest from his works of creation on the seventh day of creation temporary or unending? Since Scripture (Gen 2:1) says that God finished his works of creation on the sixth day, God entered into an unending rest from his works of creation on the seventh day of creation. Thus, when we enter God’s rest, we will also enter into an unending rest from our works.

 

[BartholomewB]

@LoveChurch, I’m still waiting for your answer to my post #17 in this thread. Is the person you’re debating with an SDA? If so, as seems likely, their mistake is to read these verses in Hebrews as though the author is telling his readers they are required to continue observing the precepts of Jewish law, including Sabbath observance on Saturdays. That is not his meaning, as other posters on this thread, particularly @Todd_Easton in his post #22, have been trying to explain to you.

Please see if this helps. Here is Hebrews 4:8-11 in the Jerusalem Bible, with a footnote:

If Joshua had led them into this place of rest, God would not later on have spoken so much of another day. There must still be, therefore, a place of rest reserved for God’s people,[d] the seventh-day rest, since to reach the place of rest is to rest after your work, as God did after his. We must therefore do everything we can to reach this place of rest, or some of you might copy this example of disobedience and be lost.

[d] God’s people, resting in Canaan after the Exodus, is taken as a figure of God resting in heaven after the creation: the new covenant calls those who are faithful to its terms to share God’s beatitude.