How to get to heaven

[dcdurel]

The Church teaches:
1037. God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:

Thus if we die repentant of our sins, we will not go to hell, but will end up in heaven
eventually.

Unfortunately, there are many who are opposed to God and have contempt for God and His teachings. If they die with this contempt, they will end up in hell, of their own choice.

 

[bona_fides_1]

The Church teaches:
1037. God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:

Thus if we die repentant of our sins, we will not go to hell, but will end up in heaven
eventually.

Unfortunately, there are many who are opposed to God and have contempt for God and His teachings. If they die with this contempt, they will end up in hell, of their own choice.

What is the purpose of this OP? Are you wanting to discuss predestiny or salvation by repentance etc.?

Technically, repentance is not enough. We are to “repent and be baptized”. We are also called to active charity (love of God and fellow man).

BF

 

[dcdurel]

What is the purpose of this OP? Are you wanting to discuss predestiny or salvation by repentance etc.?

Technically, repentance is not enough. We are to “repent and be baptized”. We are also called to active charity (love of God and fellow man).

BF

No, repentance is all that is needed.
We are called to do all the rest, but that is for our happiness and the happiness of others on earth.

To get to heaven, all we have to do is die repentant.

 

[bona_fides_1]

No, repentance is all that is needed.
We are called to do all the rest, but that is for our happiness and the happiness of others on earth.

To get to heaven, all we have to do is die repentant.

Not true unless by repentance you mean sacramental repentance. Repentance is useless if one has not been forgiven of the sins that they repent of. No one goes to heaven without acquiring supernatural grace. Baptism fogives sin as well as infuses grace.

[bibledrb]Acts 2:38[/bibledrb]

Baptism forgives sins. After baptism it normatively takes sacramental confession or last rites or else a perfect act of contrition with intention of going to confession to have one’s sins forgiven.

BF

 

[ryanoneil]

No, repentance is all that is needed.
We are called to do all the rest, but that is for our happiness and the happiness of others on earth.

To get to heaven, all we have to do is die repentant.

As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before him, and asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answered him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; you shall not defraud; honor your father and your mother.’” He replied and said to him, “Teacher, all of these I have observed from my youth.” Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said to him, “You are lacking in one thing. Go, sell what you have, and give to (the) poor and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” (Mark 10:17-21)

 

[moondweller]

As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before him, and asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answered him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; you shall not defraud; honor your father and your mother.’” He replied and said to him, “Teacher, all of these I have observed from my youth.” Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said to him, “You are lacking in one thing. Go, sell what you have, and give to (the) poor and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” (Mark 10:17-21)

And have you done this Ryan? Have you, like this man said he’d done, observed all the Commandments from your youth? And then have you sold what you have and given all the money to the poor? And now, in poverty, have you been following Christ?

 

[bona_fides_1]

And have you done this Ryan? Have you, like this man said he’d done, observed all the Commandments from your youth? And then have you sold what you have and given all the money to the poor? And now, in poverty, have you been following Christ?

MD are you role playing Christ or a father confessor to ask Ryan this question? The man simply quoted scripture without adding his own words or spin. If you believe in scripture as self teaching then why not take it at face value and not ask the scribe who delivers the scripture if he subscribes to what he delevered.

Do you disagree with the scriptural verse and if so what part?

BF

 

[moondweller]

MD are you role playing Christ or a father confessor to ask Ryan this question? The man simply quoted scripture without adding his own words or spin. If you believe in scripture as self teaching then why not take it at face value and not ask the scribe who delivers the scripture if he subscribes to what he delevered.

Do you disagree with the scriptural verse and if so what part?

BF

Please take note that the name of this thread is “How to get to heaven.” Notice also that Ryan quoted Mk. 10:17-21 in the context of the subject matter of this thread. Since he quoted it I must accept that he understands the content of that quote to be the criteria to be met in order for anyone to qualify for entrance into heaven: (1) Keeping the commandments of the Law (including the Decalogue, Jesus was speaking to a Jew who was under the Law), (2) selling all his possessions and giving the money to the poor, and (3) in poverty following Christ (whatever following Christ means to him).

 

[dcdurel]

Not true unless by repentance you mean sacramental repentance. Repentance is useless if one has not been forgiven of the sins that they repent of. No one goes to heaven without acquiring supernatural grace. Baptism fogives sin as well as infuses grace.
[bibledrb]Acts 2:38[/bibledrb]
Baptism forgives sins. After baptism it normatively takes sacramental confession or last rites or else a perfect act of contrition with intention of going to confession to have one’s sins forgiven.
BF

The Church teaches that even a pagan, living far away from any Christian land, who never heard of God will still go to heaven in the end if he repents of his sins.

Because as the Catechism teaches
“1037. God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.”

At the end of the world, there will only be heaven and hell. Those who don’t end up in hell, will end up in heaven.

The sacraments are the normal and desired way to enter into union with God, starting here on this earth and ending up in heaven, if we repent of our sins,
But, if we don’t repent, the sacraments are useless. There are lots of Catholics in hell who never repent of the mortal sins they committing. They are the ones who say that the Church’s teachings were not the same as God’s teachings, who say that we don’t have to love God above all things, and our neighbor as ourselves.

God is not bound by the sacraments. Thus even those who never heard of God can enter heaven, if they repent of the evil they did.

The reason Jesus founded a Church and the sacraments and the mass was for those who repented and who wanted to follow God and who wanted to be freed from the slavery of sin, so that they could follow Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus did not found the Church so that we could escape hell. Those Jews and pagans before Jesus came did not end up in hell if they repented and turned away from their sins.
And after Jesus reconciled man back to God by His sufferings and death out of love, then anyone who died repentant can enter heaven
So even pagans who never heard of God can enter heaven IF they repent of their evil lives.

So why did Jesus found a Church, with sacraments and specific ways to worship, and with moral teachings to follow, if even pagans can go to heaven?

So that we can be freed from the misery and slavery of sin and share in God’s life here and now, and thus have happiness in this life.

 

[benidict]

The Church teaches that even a pagan, living far away from any Christian land, who never heard of God will still go to heaven in the end if he repents of his sins.

Because as the Catechism teaches
“1037. God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.”

At the end of the world, there will only be heaven and hell. Those who don’t end up in hell, will end up in heaven.

The sacraments are the normal and desired way to enter into union with God, starting here on this earth and ending up in heaven, if we repent of our sins,
But, if we don’t repent, the sacraments are useless. There are lots of Catholics in hell who never repent of the mortal sins they committing. They are the ones who say that the Church’s teachings were not the same as God’s teachings, who say that we don’t have to love God above all things, and our neighbor as ourselves.

God is not bound by the sacraments. Thus even those who never heard of God can enter heaven, if they repent of the evil they did.

The reason Jesus founded a Church and the sacraments and the mass was for those who repented and who wanted to follow God and who wanted to be freed from the slavery of sin, so that they could follow Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus did not found the Church so that we could escape hell. Those Jews and pagans before Jesus came did not end up in hell if they repented and turned away from their sins.
And after Jesus reconciled man back to God by His sufferings and death out of love, then anyone who died repentant can enter heaven
So even pagans who never heard of God can enter heaven IF they repent of their evil lives.

So why did Jesus found a Church, with sacraments and specific ways to worship, and with moral teachings to follow, if even pagans can go to heaven?

So that we can be freed from the misery and slavery of sin and share in God’s life here and now, and thus have happiness in this life.

hi. i think i kinda know what you are getting at. ive discussed this with my priest in the past. if a person is seeking God throughout their life, even if they do not know the Gospel. the bible promises they will find Him. if its with their whole heart. what happens on a death bed? how many has the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to, and given them the choice to believe in him? we dont know. it is possible, that this can and does happen. so a godly pagan, could very well come to repentence and be saved on their deathbed. as far as baptism. there is what is called in Catholic teaching, the baptism of desire, when no baptism is possible. however. God never operates outside the saccraments. he will not violate his own laws. so therefore it is a different baptism, but a baptism nonetheless. Peace

 

[dcdurel]

1. God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.

Repentance from the evil we have done is necessary to escape the fires of hell.

That is why Jesus said, “unless you repent, you will all perish…”
The FIRST thing Jesus taught was “repent, and believe the Gospel”
It does no good to believe the Gospel, (which is the whole Catholic faith) if we don’t repent. And it does no good to repent and believe the Gospel, thus come to salvation (liberation from sin), if later we give into sin again and persist till the end in mortal sin. We will still enter hell, even though we had been saved, even though we still had faith, even though we were still believers. In Galatians 5:19-21, St. Paul writes to those believers and warns them again,
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,** drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. **
Thus, even though they were believers, and had been saved, (set free from their inclinations, concupiscence, compulsions to sin), they still had a free will and if they persisted in these sins, they would still end up in hell.

We know on judgment day, Jesus says those who did good will enter heaven.
But, doesn’t everyone sin? How could they enter heaven, even if Jesus did open the gates and reconcile man back to God, if they committed sins? No one, except Mary, who reaches the age of reason can be free from sins in this life because of their fallen human nature. Thus how could they enter heaven if they sinned?
They had to repent, admit they were wrong, admit God was right, have sorrow for the evil they did and God would forgive them. Then they could enter heaven.

The Church teaches that if Jesus had shed only one drop of blood, it would have been sufficient to reconcile man back to God, thus open the gates of heaven. The Church teaches that even the process of God becoming man would have been sufficient to reconcile man back to God and open the gates of heaven.
So why did Jesus go through the tremendous sufferings all His life and especially at the end, if so little on His part was required?

Because the **primary **reason Jesus became man, taught , founded a Church and suffered greatly and died was NOT to open the gates of heaven, but to free us from our slavery to sin, to show how evil sin is, to show how much He loved us and to reconcile us back to God.

Sin is evil. For example, adultery leads to divorce, contraception leads to divorce, unforgiveness leads to divorce. Divorce leads to sufferings on the couples and horrible sufferings on the children. The boys are 10 times more likely to go to jail after divorce, 5 times more likely to commit suicide. The effects last a lifetime and even extend to the grandchildren.

So again, why did God become man, suffer and die, found a Church, with a leader, (the Pope), and administrators and teachers, the bishops and priests and leave behind a set of teachings to be handed down until the end of time, if all we have to do is repent?

To free us from the evil of sin. To teach us how to live. To be the light of the world, so we will know clearly what is good and what is evil, unlike the world today, which tries to promote evil. To free us from sin, through the sacraments and prayer, so that we can love God they way we should and thus have happiness in this life. To save the world from its wallowing in the slime of sin, to uplift it to union with God, so mankind can have happiness in this union with God.

That is why those who hear the Gospel, the center of which is the teaching that Jesus came to free us from our slavery to sin, so that we can love God and live holy lives, and yet are not interested in believing this Gospel, will be condemned.
For those who have no interest in being freed from their compulsions to sin, do not want to repent, and those who die unrepentant will end up in hell.

 

[bona_fides_1]

All the above is relevant. But you got to be careful with making statements that all one has to do is repent. This is not accurate. One has to be joined to the Catholic Church supernaturally - since the church is the Body of Christ. Baptism is the only sure way we know of - either by: 1) water baptism, 2) by desire or 3) by blood (martyr).

In addition after being baptised into the body of Christ one must keep themselves in a state of repentant grace. If one sins again - they need to either: 1) repent and be forgiven of sines in sacramental confession or 2) form a perfect contrition (impossible without grace).

The way you (dcdurel) have stated it one can go to any denomination/church on the planet or be alone, repent and have confidence that one is saved. But there is no confidence that any of these outside of the church are saved by simple repentance alone. Baptism is linked to repentance (the first time). And sacramental confession is inked to repentance for post baptismal sins. It is normative that souls are saved through the Catholic Church. It is irregular and the exception that souls are saved outside of formal membership in the Catholic Church. God is not bound by the sacraments and may show mercy to whoever He desires. But since Christ commissioned his apostles to teach the good news and baptise we can assume in confidence that this was the normative means for salvation - baptism and orthodox Catholic teaching.

BF

 

[Church_Militant]

No, repentance is all that is needed.
We are called to do all the rest, but that is for our happiness and the happiness of others on earth.

To get to heaven, all we have to do is die repentant.

You need to keep reading in the catechism DC. What you have stated errs because it applies only to those who have already converted and as was pointed out to you, part of that process would be baptism as the sacrament of initiation as prescribed by the church at Our Lord’s specific direction. Furthermore, with regard to those who have not heard the Good News the catechism says…

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334
** “Outside the Church there is no salvation” **
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

 

[CastingCrown]

I just want to throw in a warning because of the direction conversations like this often begin to take after a while… Don’t try to limit God’s grace and turn salvation into something mechanistic since it can then almost become a form of pelagianism…

Having said that, Jesus revealed to the Church the ordinary means of salvation and it’s therefore in our best interest to follow what has been revealed.

 

[Petergray]

Hi

Ok basically what happens is God loves us all more than you can ever imagine and because of this, does not want us to go to hell. Also he is very forgiving, so forgiving that he sent his son down from heaven in the form of a human to die for our salvation. So that means that he will forgive you if you want forgiveness. To go to hell someone would have to knowingly reject god and not turn back and son all the time on purpose and knowingly. That’s how bad you have to be.

 

[crazzeto]

Hi

Ok basically what happens is God loves us all more than you can ever imagine and because of this, does not want us to go to hell. Also he is very forgiving, so forgiving that he sent his son down from heaven in the form of a human to die for our salvation. So that means that he will forgive you if you want forgiveness. To go to hell someone would have to knowingly reject god and not turn back and son all the time on purpose and knowingly. That’s how bad you have to be.

The scary part:

Just how easy it is to get there in this day and age

 

[ryanoneil]

And have you done this Ryan? Have you, like this man said he’d done, observed all the Commandments from your youth? And then have you sold what you have and given all the money to the poor? And now, in poverty, have you been following Christ?

I have not observed all the commandments from my youth. I have not parted with all my riches (I have material possesions but I’m far from rich). At times I’m guilty of loving money. I don’t always embrace the gospel to the best of my ability. But with the help of God’s grace I’m working on it.

How about you?

What is your interpretation about that passage?

 

[moondweller]

I have not observed all the commandments from my youth. I have not parted with all my riches (I have material possesions but I’m far from rich). At times I’m guilty of loving money. I don’t always embrace the gospel to the best of my ability. But with the help of God’s grace I’m working on it.

The “help of God’s grace?” Where does Jesus say to the man, “with the help of God’s grace” do all those things and you’ll have eternal life?" And where does Jesus say to the man to, “by God’s grace,” work on doing those things? That God grades on a curve.

You posted the passage on this thread (“How to get to heaven”), soooo, if you believe that’s the Divine criteria on how one gets there, then by your own admission, it seems you’re not going. For one, you have yet to sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor. When do you plan on doing that? On your death bed? What if you suddenly get fatally hit by a car? Or have an unexpected heart attack? You won’t have time to sell your possessions and distribute the money to the poor. Jesus didn’t say to the man that selling his possessions and giving the money to the poor was something he was to stipulated in his dying will. He told him to it while he was living.

Perhaps Jesus was dealing with that particular man in order to prepare him for a sure way of obtaining eternal life. One based on an entirely different principle than law and personal merit. Perhaps?

 

[bona_fides_1]

Perhaps Jesus was dealing with that particular man in order to prepare him for a sure way of obtaining eternal life. One based on an entirely different principle than law and personal merit. Perhaps?

Perhaps it was more about being perfected on earth so the man could have treasure in heaven, draw on the promises of the beatitudes, avoid purgatory and go straight to heaven upon death and achieve his greatest heavenly reward.

There are over 300 biblical verses concerning the poor…

*Luke 6:20-21. Blessed are you who are poor, for yours in the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

James 2:5. Did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

Luke 12:33. “Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys.”

Prov. 22:9 He who is generous will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor.
Jer. 22:16 “Did not your father eat and drink, and do justice and righteousness? Then it was well with him. He pled the cause of the afflicted and needy; then it was well. Is that not what it means to know Me?” declares the LORD.

Deut. 15:10. You shall give generously to [your poor brother], and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings.

Prov. 19:17. He who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, and He will repay him for his good deed.

Jer. 7:5-7. “For, if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly practice justice between a man and his neighbor, if you do not oppress the alien, the orphan, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor walk after other gods to your own ruin, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.”

Is. 58:10. “And if you give yourself to the hungry, and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then your light will rise in darkness, and your gloom will become like midday. And the LORD will continually guide you, and satisfy your desire in scorched places, and give strength to your bones; and you will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.”

Luke 14:12-14. “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

Luke 12:44. “Sell your possessions and give alms; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

2 Cor. 8:9. For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.
Prov. 19:17. He who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, and He will repay him for his good deed.

Prov. 14:31. He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker, but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.

Mt. 25:31-46. “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on His left.
Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You drink? And when did we see You a stranger, and invite you in, or naked, and clothe You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
Then they themselves will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’
Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
BF

 

[ryanoneil]

The “help of God’s grace?” Where does Jesus say to the man, “with the help of God’s grace” do all those things and you’ll have eternal life?" And where does Jesus say to the man to, “by God’s grace,” work on doing those things? That God grades on a curve.

You posted the passage on this thread (“How to get to heaven”), soooo, if you believe that’s the Divine criteria on how one gets there, then by your own admission, it seems you’re not going. For one, you have yet to sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor. When do you plan on doing that? On your death bed? What if you suddenly get fatally hit by a car? Or have an unexpected heart attack? You won’t have time to sell your possessions and distribute the money to the poor. Jesus didn’t say to the man that selling his possessions and giving the money to the poor was something he was to stipulated in his dying will. He told him to it while he was living.

Perhaps Jesus was dealing with that particular man in order to prepare him for a sure way of obtaining eternal life. One based on an entirely different principle than law and personal merit. Perhaps?

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