How to know when in spiritual gluttony?

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I’ve read what St. John of the Cross says about spiritual gluttony. I wonder though, how else do we know if we’re guilty of spiritual gluttony? How do we know whether we’re truly seeking God and to do His will, and not just merely the “feel good” aspect of spirituality? I naturally feel deep joy when praying and reading about the Faith. I also feel happy when just thinking about God. I love listening to Catholic music as it stirs my soul and reminds me of my destiny of being with God. Is it a sin to feel this joy, or to enjoy the natural consolations that come with worship? How do we know when it’s excessive? And as someone who really wants to do everything for the love of God, I seek to offer every single thing I do to Him, and I feel great joy at the thought of doing so. Is it spiritual gluttony when our lives are so saturated with God and the Faith? I thought that’s what sainthood is being about - giving oneself totally to God and offering our waking moments to Him - or am I missing something here? Do we actually have to hold back ourselves if we are to avoid spiritual gluttony? The thought of holding back from God seems frightful to me. I just want to grow in holiness, and now this thought of spiritual gluttony looks like a natural pitfall for anyone who wants to be holy (and can be an added burden for scrupulous people like myself!). I’m somewhat confused. I guess what I’m really asking is - what differentiates the saint from the spiritual glutton?
 
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How to know when in spiritual gluttony?
Just a few examples: I feel good today and I will go to Mass. If I don’t feel good, nor consoled, nor do I taste any spiritual enjoyment, I won’t go to Mass anymore.
I will do this charitable work only if it makes me feel good. Otherwise, I won’t do it.
I will keep praying regularly if the Lord gives me consolations and sweet feelings. If not, I will not pray anymore.

As far as I understand from John of the Cross, spiritual gluttony is about ME: my consolations, my spiritual enjoyments, my feeling good and so on. It’s not about being there for God and doing things for Him alone out of love. It’s not about charity towards the neighbor or helping someone in need, it’s only about me and if it makes me feel good. This is spiritual gluttony. I hope it helps.
 
I take it you are reading book 1 chapter 6 of Dark Night of the Soul? By coincidence, I was just reading that myself the other day.

John assumes that you are under obedience, and that your spiritual director will tell you what to do.

Spiritual gluttons vary their practice from what their spiritual director has advised them to do.
 
I’ve read what St. John of the Cross says about spiritual gluttony. I wonder though, how else do we know if we’re guilty of spiritual gluttony? How do we know whether we’re truly seeking God and to do His will, and not just merely the “feel good” aspect of spirituality? I naturally feel deep joy when praying and reading about the Faith. I also feel happy when just thinking about God. I love listening to Catholic music as it stirs my soul and reminds me of my destiny of being with God. Is it a sin to feel this joy, or to enjoy the natural consolations that come with worship? How do we know when it’s excessive? And as someone who really wants to do everything for the love of God, I seek to offer every single thing I do to Him, and I feel great joy at the thought of doing so. Is it spiritual gluttony when our lives are so saturated with God and the Faith? I thought that’s what sainthood is being about - giving oneself totally to God and offering our waking moments to Him - or am I missing something here? Do we actually have to hold back ourselves if we are to avoid spiritual gluttony? The thought of holding back from God seems frightful to me. I just want to grow in holiness, and now this thought of spiritual gluttony looks like a natural pitfall for anyone who wants to be holy (and can be an added burden for scrupulous people like myself!). I’m somewhat confused. I guess what I’m really asking is - what differentiates the saint from the spiritual glutton?
It simply means to not seek God for the spiritual consolations or other good feelings you get out of it, but to seek God for His own sake.
The spiritual gluttonous are those who constantly seek to feel pleasure with their devotions, and will usually despair or lose interest when God withdraws those feelings from them.

So no, you do not have to stop giving yourself totally to God, because one of the points this good saint is trying to get across is, in order to please God and live for Him alone, we must have Him first in our thoughts, which is not an easy task, as we are naturally inclined towards selfishness, and the true test of whether or not we’re seeking God for Himself or the consolations He gives us, is when He takes them away…If we are truly seeking God for His own sake, then losing those feelings will not effect our devotion or peace of mind, but if our motives are selfish, we will lose heart, possibly despair, question our faith, etc.

But to answer your question about if it’s ok to take pleasure in the spiritual consolations you receive, yes that is fine, God wants you to take delight in the gifts He send you, but just don’t put too much importance on them, and most importantly, don’t let your feelings dictate your actions, react by what you know, use your logic and reason, those who let their feelings guide them are easily manipulated, either by their neighbors or the devil,
That’s not to say feeling don’t have their place, sometimes our feelings help us to make good decisions, but what I was trying to get at was merely that we should not depend too heavily on our feelings, there needs to be temperance and prudence there.

It’s good to want to learn these things and strive for holiness, but don’t let it stress you out, God wants you to be happy and have peace, don’t forget why you’re here in the first place, the purpose of life is to know, love, and serve God in this life so that we may be happy with Him in the next, this life is a learning experience, you’re here to learn to love God and learn how to please Him, God gives us this time because He knows it takes time to grow in holiness, He knows better than anyone that part of learning is falling, He is not displeased with us for falling, only when we don’t get back up, of course I’m not saying that sin does not displease God, it most certainly does, but God is far more displeased with a sin committed on purpose, as opposed to one committed through weakness, which is more often than not the case for those earnestly striving for holiness.

Well, sorry if I made that longer than it needed to be, but I hope it helps, take care.
 
I can’t answer your question but I do know that if you offer everything to Jesus through the Immaculate hands of Mary, she will purify your intentions, motives and gifts and present them to Our Lord.
 
Spiritual gluttony to me means having been rapt in some spiritual sense and then valuing it more than doing God’s will. The Imitation of Christ warns that seeking these desires will hamper your spiritual progress and it’s better to ignore them.
 
Another consideration could be to take note of whether or not your spiritual activities are interfering with the duties of your state in life.
 
I’ve read what St. John of the Cross says about spiritual gluttony. I wonder though, how else do we know if we’re guilty of spiritual gluttony? How do we know whether we’re truly seeking God and to do His will, and not just merely the “feel good” aspect of spirituality? I naturally feel deep joy when praying and reading about the Faith. I also feel happy when just thinking about God. I love listening to Catholic music as it stirs my soul and reminds me of my destiny of being with God. Is it a sin to feel this joy, or to enjoy the natural consolations that come with worship? How do we know when it’s excessive? And as someone who really wants to do everything for the love of God, I seek to offer every single thing I do to Him, and I feel great joy at the thought of doing so. Is it spiritual gluttony when our lives are so saturated with God and the Faith? I thought that’s what sainthood is being about - giving oneself totally to God and offering our waking moments to Him - or am I missing something here? Do we actually have to hold back ourselves if we are to avoid spiritual gluttony? The thought of holding back from God seems frightful to me. I just want to grow in holiness, and now this thought of spiritual gluttony looks like a natural pitfall for anyone who wants to be holy (and can be an added burden for scrupulous people like myself!). I’m somewhat confused. I guess what I’m really asking is - what differentiates the saint from the spiritual glutton?
You are not in a state of spiritual gluttony. It is likely nearly impossible for one who is not a religious to be a spiritual glutton. You note your scrupulosity here, which I placed in bold; surely you are aware that an important part of the pastoral care of the scrupulous is discouraging and avoiding books that are not appropriate to their spiritual state, as these can do genuine spiritual harm. The Dark Night of the Soul is certainly not appropriate for you at this time, as little of what it says is relevant to your present situation, though you will come to believe it is and worry about matters that never shall likely concern you. If you have a spiritual director, ask him about books that would be better for you. If you do not, you would do well to speak to your confessor or pastor.

I advise all posters here to be very wary in answering questions like this. We would not want to have the poster using the words of some random stranger on the internet as an excuse to diverge from the program his director sets before him. As obedience to a director or confessor is the only cure for scrupulosity, giving a mixed message here can be very counterproductive.
 
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