I need help proving to my protesent friend that the Church that was refered to in the bible was the Catholic Church and not just all the belivers in christ.
If your friend is honest and serious in raising this question then he has to be open to much more than just scripture. We all know that Jesus started one church. Matthew 16:18 doesn’t use the word churches . If there is one church then we must be able to do a historical analysis to determine which church that is.
Well, when it says in Matthew 18 that one is to go to the Church when there are disputes, which church is it? It can’t be “a group of ordinary believers” since they’re the ones you turn to BEFORE you go to the Church.
Oh my. And I have to answer in 5000 characters or less? I’ll have to come back later …centurion << then you can start making a case for Christ “starting” the church with Peter. Your theology of the church has got to include the theological facts of the book fo Hebrews, not overlook them. >>
I don’t think there’s much disagreement here if you accept the idea that the Church is the new Israel. So yeah, in a sense the Church was there (somewhat hidden) in the Old Testament, and the New Testament Church is the fulfillment of the old.
While you are trying to prove this to him Pray a lot (I know you are), and then ask him to prove that Jesus did not found this Holy Catholic Church. What I have found is if I continue to question what they have to say they get to the point where they start to use sources outside of the Bible, or they start interperting Bible verses in contridction with one another.