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iamrefreshed
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But you believe in Moses don’t you? Wasn’t God a burning bush? Was that befitting of His majesty?
How to reoncile this passge with notion that Muslims worship same God?
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Genesis315
Guest
Humility is a virtue, is it not? God embodies all virtue.
As for the “right hand” that’s a figure of speech. We believe God the Father is pure spirit, so any of the anthropomorphic (is that the right word?) imagery is only for the sake of our feeble human minds’ comprehehnsion.
Or it’s Muhammed telling you that God is telling you this. The guys who tell us what God told them put their money where their mouth was and died horrible deaths for what they were told by God, face to face.
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Veritas
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It’s the other way around.
We don’t call a human “God”.
We acknowledge that God can (and did) reveal Himself as a human.
A human can’t raise himself to be a God,
but God can condescend to be a human.
That is His love.
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Veritas
Guest
Any chance this is a “partial truth” vs. “full truth” issue?
That is to say:
“Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not (all of) the Father.”
I’m too lazy to look up the Greek.
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Emad
Guest
If a father loves his baby, he doesn’t have to wear diapers and drink from a bottle to show his baby his love. The father can love his baby and still be a father and the baby remain a baby. Do you think it is beffitting of a father to wear diapers and drink from a bottle to show his baby he loves him? If not than why would you think it is beffitting of God to bring Himself to such a low level? He is High Above that. Glory be to Him from being ascribed to such things as eating, sleeping, and relieving Himself.
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selvaraj
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Muslims are not worshiping the same God.
Allah isn’t even the first name assigned to the god of Islam. In the first twenty surahs “revealed,” Muhammad’s Qur’anic spirit was a nameless “Lord.” And that’s fascinating on many levels. First, Lord, is the name and title of Baal, the most famous of the Biblical Satanic sun gods. Second, since much of the Qur’an was plagiarized from the Rabbinical Talmud, and since the Qur’an complains incessantly that the Yahudim of Yathrib sold their “scripture” to Muhammad for too high a price, the use of “Lord” is telling. One thousand two hundred years earlier, following captivity in the Satanic depravity of Babylon, the Yahudi had stopped saying Yahweh’s name—saying instead “Lord.” Muhammad would have thought that the God of the Torah and Psalms name was “Lord,” so that’s what he called his god.
But since all gods have names, Muhammad was pressed by the Allah worshiping pagans in his home town of Mecca to tell them his god’s name. So, in the next block of surahs, the dark spirit of the Qur’an is called Ar-Rahman. This idol, whose name was derived from the Persian Devil, was a moon god in Yemen. His name was selected for several reasons, the most important of which is that before Muhammad plagiarized the Jews he pilfered the poetry of the Hanifs—a monotheistic religion that was derived from a Jewish dictator in Yemen just prior to Muhammad’s birth.
prophetofdoom.net/allah_satan.html
In Christ,
selvarj
Allah isn’t even the first name assigned to the god of Islam. In the first twenty surahs “revealed,” Muhammad’s Qur’anic spirit was a nameless “Lord.” And that’s fascinating on many levels. First, Lord, is the name and title of Baal, the most famous of the Biblical Satanic sun gods. Second, since much of the Qur’an was plagiarized from the Rabbinical Talmud, and since the Qur’an complains incessantly that the Yahudim of Yathrib sold their “scripture” to Muhammad for too high a price, the use of “Lord” is telling. One thousand two hundred years earlier, following captivity in the Satanic depravity of Babylon, the Yahudi had stopped saying Yahweh’s name—saying instead “Lord.” Muhammad would have thought that the God of the Torah and Psalms name was “Lord,” so that’s what he called his god.
But since all gods have names, Muhammad was pressed by the Allah worshiping pagans in his home town of Mecca to tell them his god’s name. So, in the next block of surahs, the dark spirit of the Qur’an is called Ar-Rahman. This idol, whose name was derived from the Persian Devil, was a moon god in Yemen. His name was selected for several reasons, the most important of which is that before Muhammad plagiarized the Jews he pilfered the poetry of the Hanifs—a monotheistic religion that was derived from a Jewish dictator in Yemen just prior to Muhammad’s birth.
prophetofdoom.net/allah_satan.html
In Christ,
selvarj
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fatuma
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Funny how lies can be so funny.wa salma
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Emad
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selveraj in blue
Emad in balck
Muslims are not worshiping the same God.
Allah isn’t even the first name assigned to the god of Islam. In the first twenty surahs “revealed,” Muhammad’s Qur’anic spirit was a nameless “Lord.” And that’s fascinating on many levels. First, Lord, is the name and title of Baal, the most famous of the Biblical Satanic sun gods.
Wrong!! The first chapter revealed was surah al Alaq and the name Allah is mentioned in it. The second and third were surah al Muzzamil and al Muddathir and both mention the name Allah.
But since all gods have names, Muhammad was pressed by the Allah worshiping pagans in his home town of Mecca to tell them his god’s name. So, in the next block of surahs, the dark spirit of the Qur’an is called Ar-Rahman. This idol, whose name was derived from the Persian Devil, was a moon god in Yemen. His name was selected for several reasons, the most important of which is that before Muhammad plagiarized the Jews he pilfered the poetry of the Hanifs—a monotheistic religion that was derived from a Jewish dictator in Yemen just prior to Muhammad’s birth.
prophetofdoom.net/allah_satan.html
Again you are wrong!! The name ar Rahman was not known to the Arabs at all!! This is mentioned in the Quran. By the way anyone who has half a brain will know that your information is false and bias. Just look at your source.
Emad in balck
Muslims are not worshiping the same God.
Allah isn’t even the first name assigned to the god of Islam. In the first twenty surahs “revealed,” Muhammad’s Qur’anic spirit was a nameless “Lord.” And that’s fascinating on many levels. First, Lord, is the name and title of Baal, the most famous of the Biblical Satanic sun gods.
Wrong!! The first chapter revealed was surah al Alaq and the name Allah is mentioned in it. The second and third were surah al Muzzamil and al Muddathir and both mention the name Allah.
But since all gods have names, Muhammad was pressed by the Allah worshiping pagans in his home town of Mecca to tell them his god’s name. So, in the next block of surahs, the dark spirit of the Qur’an is called Ar-Rahman. This idol, whose name was derived from the Persian Devil, was a moon god in Yemen. His name was selected for several reasons, the most important of which is that before Muhammad plagiarized the Jews he pilfered the poetry of the Hanifs—a monotheistic religion that was derived from a Jewish dictator in Yemen just prior to Muhammad’s birth.
prophetofdoom.net/allah_satan.html
Again you are wrong!! The name ar Rahman was not known to the Arabs at all!! This is mentioned in the Quran. By the way anyone who has half a brain will know that your information is false and bias. Just look at your source.
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selvaraj
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You are reading Qura`n only, not the history that why confused.
If moon is not your God then, who is your God?. The first post of this thread clearly says, if you deny Jesus, you deny the father(God) also.
In Christ,
selvaraj
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Emad
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selveraj in blue
Emad in balck
You are reading Qura`n only, not the history that why confused.
How do you know what I am reading?
If moon is not your God then, who is your God?.
My God is Allah. FYI Allah is the name of God in Arabic and is used in the Arabic version of the Bible. I strongly suggest you do some reading about Islam from un-bias sources. If you want to debate with a Muslim about Islam you should atleast know what you are talking about! Here is who my God is:
Surah 112 "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. "
Surah 2 verse 255 " Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). "
The first post of this thread clearly says, if you deny Jesus, you deny the father(God) also.
I don’t deny Jesus peace be upon him. I believe in him as a blessed Messenger of God.
Emad in balck
You are reading Qura`n only, not the history that why confused.
How do you know what I am reading?
If moon is not your God then, who is your God?.
My God is Allah. FYI Allah is the name of God in Arabic and is used in the Arabic version of the Bible. I strongly suggest you do some reading about Islam from un-bias sources. If you want to debate with a Muslim about Islam you should atleast know what you are talking about! Here is who my God is:
Surah 112 "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. "
Surah 2 verse 255 " Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). "
The first post of this thread clearly says, if you deny Jesus, you deny the father(God) also.
I don’t deny Jesus peace be upon him. I believe in him as a blessed Messenger of God.
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Reuben_J
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Faith in Blue and Italic, Reuben Normal and Black font.
Faith:
To agree with Trinity would not only require me to give up my beliefs, but my common sense as well. I apologize if this is offensive…but after all the different explanations of what it means, and the many analogies…i can not comprehend it…you are right…this concept in Christianity takes faith and the suppression of a persons own thinking.
Reuben:
I understand what you mean. Fair enough.
But defying the common sense and suppression of one’s thinking?
Christians would dispute this though. Not if we understand it in the context of God’s Word as in the Bible. You see, Faith, the Quran already moulded your mentality as what to accept as the truth or not. And there is no reason for you not to. This concept (the trinity) whether understood rightly or wrongly, is contradictory to the Quranic revelation. I’ll not expect you to understand it in such a mind-frame.
Faith:
This is the way i think about it. God is one, unique…He is all powerful and He ownes everything. Everything belongs to Him. He is the Controller of EVERYTHING that happens, but He never gets tired. He never gets hungry. All this…and He still calls out to little ol me and tries to guide me. For what? Is God harmed if I dont submit to Him…not in the least. I love Allah, the Loving, the All Merciful, the All Kind.
May He guide us all and grant us His presence in Paradise
Reuben:
I cannot agree with you more! Yes, He never gets tired. He does not have to rest. These are attributes of God and more.
But Christianity’ God the Son is true human and true God. While on earth, Jesus is human, just like you and I (except without sin). He eats, sleeps, feels happy or sad, he has friends around him and when one died (Lazarus) he weeps. He weeps when he look at Jerusalem knowing that it will be destroyed and yet its people refused to accept God’s Word as revealed by God’s prophets and finally His Son for their redemption.
He also feels pain and mental anguish. He suffers too. Just imagine how he feel during the torture on the cross.
But if it is difficult to understand God, it’s not difficult to understand Jesus as personified in his human form. What Jesus did as human on earth is what God wants us to follow (this is a big subject though). God knows that humans are stubborn, and if they don’t listen to His prophets, He will never tire nor give up. He Himself came (He sent His Son).
*Faith:
I honestly appreciate the explanation. I can understand if God appears in different ways (as a human, etc) although I disagree. However, Jesus prays to God, Jesus is sitting at the right hand side of God…what does this mean? *
Reuben:
As human, this is what happened to him after death. He is glorified by God and seated at His right hand.
Biblical quote from Phippians chapter 2:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
If one is humble like Jesus, one will find oneself by God’s side in heaven. Of course we can’t compared ourselves in the special position of Jesus, but God’s point about the humble should leave us no doubt in our mind as to the reward given by God.
Do you know that Christians believe that Jesus will come as a judge for the living and the dead at the end of time. He will decide who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Basically the ones who go to heaven are those who treat Him (therefore the oppressed, the unprivileged, the poor, the sick, the captives) like brothers. The ones who go to hell are the opposite (those who transgress the teaching of God).
I’ll continue in another post.
Peace.
Reuben.
Faith:
To agree with Trinity would not only require me to give up my beliefs, but my common sense as well. I apologize if this is offensive…but after all the different explanations of what it means, and the many analogies…i can not comprehend it…you are right…this concept in Christianity takes faith and the suppression of a persons own thinking.
Reuben:
I understand what you mean. Fair enough.
But defying the common sense and suppression of one’s thinking?
Christians would dispute this though. Not if we understand it in the context of God’s Word as in the Bible. You see, Faith, the Quran already moulded your mentality as what to accept as the truth or not. And there is no reason for you not to. This concept (the trinity) whether understood rightly or wrongly, is contradictory to the Quranic revelation. I’ll not expect you to understand it in such a mind-frame.
Faith:
This is the way i think about it. God is one, unique…He is all powerful and He ownes everything. Everything belongs to Him. He is the Controller of EVERYTHING that happens, but He never gets tired. He never gets hungry. All this…and He still calls out to little ol me and tries to guide me. For what? Is God harmed if I dont submit to Him…not in the least. I love Allah, the Loving, the All Merciful, the All Kind.
May He guide us all and grant us His presence in Paradise
Reuben:
I cannot agree with you more! Yes, He never gets tired. He does not have to rest. These are attributes of God and more.
But Christianity’ God the Son is true human and true God. While on earth, Jesus is human, just like you and I (except without sin). He eats, sleeps, feels happy or sad, he has friends around him and when one died (Lazarus) he weeps. He weeps when he look at Jerusalem knowing that it will be destroyed and yet its people refused to accept God’s Word as revealed by God’s prophets and finally His Son for their redemption.
He also feels pain and mental anguish. He suffers too. Just imagine how he feel during the torture on the cross.
But if it is difficult to understand God, it’s not difficult to understand Jesus as personified in his human form. What Jesus did as human on earth is what God wants us to follow (this is a big subject though). God knows that humans are stubborn, and if they don’t listen to His prophets, He will never tire nor give up. He Himself came (He sent His Son).
*Faith:
I honestly appreciate the explanation. I can understand if God appears in different ways (as a human, etc) although I disagree. However, Jesus prays to God, Jesus is sitting at the right hand side of God…what does this mean? *
Reuben:
As human, this is what happened to him after death. He is glorified by God and seated at His right hand.
Biblical quote from Phippians chapter 2:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
If one is humble like Jesus, one will find oneself by God’s side in heaven. Of course we can’t compared ourselves in the special position of Jesus, but God’s point about the humble should leave us no doubt in our mind as to the reward given by God.
Do you know that Christians believe that Jesus will come as a judge for the living and the dead at the end of time. He will decide who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Basically the ones who go to heaven are those who treat Him (therefore the oppressed, the unprivileged, the poor, the sick, the captives) like brothers. The ones who go to hell are the opposite (those who transgress the teaching of God).
I’ll continue in another post.
Peace.
Reuben.
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Reuben_J
Guest
Faith:
The consequence of sin without repentence (and God’s mercy) is Hell. This goes for both Christianity and Islam. HOwever, Christianity adds the concept of “the scapegoate” to take man’s sin.
Reuben:
“Scapegoat” is simplistic term but okay, it does give the message. To the Christians, here lies the mystery of God’s love. When Christians say God is all-loving like you Muslims do, this is what we meant. God love us so much that He gave His only son for us so that we can live. And that love meant that, even if there is only person, say either you or me, need to be saved in this world (say if the others are all righteous), He would still gave His only son.
Actually, if He wants to, He can just forgive and make it easy, without going into all the trouble. In fact He just can wipe all the sins away in this world. That’s also love and forgiveness.
Christians’ understanding of His love is much more than that.
In order to love, you need to give even if it pains you. For example, I can say I love my son, and if he in danger of death, and the only way I can save him is with my own life. What would I do? Depending on how much I love him, I can give my life and thus save him, or preferred not to, but still love him anyhow. The depth of our love depended on how much we can give. When I know my God loves me with His own life, it spurs me into doing things unimaginable to love Him Back!
Faith:
I am content knowing that I am born free from sin…and that the only sin i will be held accountable for is the one that i have made with my own hands. I am content knowing that if I repent, I am forgiven…a 100 or a 1000 times. I am content knowing that God loves me without Him having to come down and die.
Reuben:
A new born child is pure, and if dies at that stage would surely go to heaven. Christians call to saints small children who died as a result of no fault of their own.
In Christianity perspective, the coming of Jesus is not purely to obliterate the original sin in us. Nevertheless the effect of the original sin make us humans for what we are – prone to sin. We sin because that’s our instinctive nature. Even if we understand what is good and want to do it, sometimes our human nature just do the opposite. This internal conflict many times leads us to sin, even for very holy people. The evil one exploits this. Once we go deeper into sin, he entraps us – under bondages.
Jesus’ death and resurrection break this clutch of the evil one. Jesus came to give life and life in abundance. We often see people who are rich and healthy but yet have no life in them. They worry, angry, bitter, resenting, burdened, unhappy and have no peace. This makes them susceptible all the more to sin. Jesus can change all that and free us from these burdens, so that we can experience a life that is totally free. We know people; for example, who suffer extensive child abuse by their parents and when grow up can never forgive them. They are filled with bitterness and this influenced their attitude on other things. They rebel, become unreasonable or even commit murder.
What is the use of repentance, only to sin again and again and again? And what happen if we were to die in a state of grave sin? To Christians, Jesus is the answer.
Faith:
You are a kind and respectable human being…I appreciate that.
Reuben:
Thanks Faith. And so are you.
Peace.
God bless you.
Reuben
The consequence of sin without repentence (and God’s mercy) is Hell. This goes for both Christianity and Islam. HOwever, Christianity adds the concept of “the scapegoate” to take man’s sin.
Reuben:
“Scapegoat” is simplistic term but okay, it does give the message. To the Christians, here lies the mystery of God’s love. When Christians say God is all-loving like you Muslims do, this is what we meant. God love us so much that He gave His only son for us so that we can live. And that love meant that, even if there is only person, say either you or me, need to be saved in this world (say if the others are all righteous), He would still gave His only son.
Actually, if He wants to, He can just forgive and make it easy, without going into all the trouble. In fact He just can wipe all the sins away in this world. That’s also love and forgiveness.
Christians’ understanding of His love is much more than that.
In order to love, you need to give even if it pains you. For example, I can say I love my son, and if he in danger of death, and the only way I can save him is with my own life. What would I do? Depending on how much I love him, I can give my life and thus save him, or preferred not to, but still love him anyhow. The depth of our love depended on how much we can give. When I know my God loves me with His own life, it spurs me into doing things unimaginable to love Him Back!
Faith:
I am content knowing that I am born free from sin…and that the only sin i will be held accountable for is the one that i have made with my own hands. I am content knowing that if I repent, I am forgiven…a 100 or a 1000 times. I am content knowing that God loves me without Him having to come down and die.
Reuben:
A new born child is pure, and if dies at that stage would surely go to heaven. Christians call to saints small children who died as a result of no fault of their own.
In Christianity perspective, the coming of Jesus is not purely to obliterate the original sin in us. Nevertheless the effect of the original sin make us humans for what we are – prone to sin. We sin because that’s our instinctive nature. Even if we understand what is good and want to do it, sometimes our human nature just do the opposite. This internal conflict many times leads us to sin, even for very holy people. The evil one exploits this. Once we go deeper into sin, he entraps us – under bondages.
Jesus’ death and resurrection break this clutch of the evil one. Jesus came to give life and life in abundance. We often see people who are rich and healthy but yet have no life in them. They worry, angry, bitter, resenting, burdened, unhappy and have no peace. This makes them susceptible all the more to sin. Jesus can change all that and free us from these burdens, so that we can experience a life that is totally free. We know people; for example, who suffer extensive child abuse by their parents and when grow up can never forgive them. They are filled with bitterness and this influenced their attitude on other things. They rebel, become unreasonable or even commit murder.
What is the use of repentance, only to sin again and again and again? And what happen if we were to die in a state of grave sin? To Christians, Jesus is the answer.
Faith:
You are a kind and respectable human being…I appreciate that.
Reuben:
Thanks Faith. And so are you.
Peace.
God bless you.
Reuben
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Booklover
Guest
God has revealed to us the Trinity, but it seems that in Islam He keeps “revealing” what He’s not or what is not befitting to him according to Mohammed.
From the beginning your prophet has been denying the divinity of Christ to add credibility to himself. If Christ is really God, then there would be no need of Mohammed!
No God, does not lie, but can the same be said of your prophet?
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Booklover
Guest
For your information, this is a Catholic website and you’re the guests! We can’t hold an intelligent dialogue with people who aren’t here because they want to know anything about the Catholic faith, but are just here proselytizing.
We already know what you believe and don’t believe, you keep telling us often enough! Just don’t keep posting the same things over and over again!
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Booklover
Guest
Believing in the Blessed Trinity does not in any way suppress one’s thinking! We can never understand all about God because we’re not on the same level with God! You can’t analyze the Trinity! It just is and we Christians accept it without question, because God revealed it who neither lies or deceives.
Again you’re trying to analyze the Trinity which is unfathomable. Our Lord Jesus Christ told us once that if we don’t accept the Kingdom of God as a child we would not enter it. Children trust and accept, and that is what we do with any revelation of God, we accept it.
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Shenango
Guest
You know, it’s funny how the question of “Do Jews and Muslims worship the same God?” never comes up in any discussions between Jews and Muslim, yet its counterpart with Christianity always seems to intrigue Christians. I have seen this question posed online now by Christians (very literally) hundreds of times.
The flawed thinking behind it is always the same, and thus my answer to it. The Christians’ confusion comes from the fact in their faith Jesus (PBUH) takes on a life of his own as God, and thus they always cast the argument in terms of “Jesus vs. Allah”.
But the fact is, if asked, Christians will readily acknowledge that they worship YHWH. But YHWH is the same thing as “Elohim”, of which the Aramaic form is “Allaha”, and the Arabic form “Allah”. So YHWH is Allah.
Arabic was a language of Christian liturgy before it was one of Islam, and to this day Arab Christians still call God “Allah”, and Jesus (PBUH) the “son of Allah” (as the Qur’an also claims they do). References to God in the Arabic Bible all say “Allah”. In John 3:16, it is none other than “Allah” who sends His only begotten son to die for the sins of mankind.
The problem, therefore, is not that Muslims and Christians worship different gods, but rather, that Christians have a unique belief about the nature of the god common to them and Muslims, namely, that He incarnated in the person of Jesus (PBUH).
But now, Jews would side with Muslims in this debate and say that God does not incarnate into the body of man, and that that is an idolatrous belief. And Jews still worship YHWH, and are acknowledged as such by Christians.
The point is that it is hypocritical of Christians to claim that Muslims don’t worship the same god as they do because they don’t worship Jesus (PBUH). When Christians are ready to come out and disown YHWH, they can then fairly disown Allah, because YHWH and Allah are two words for the same god.
The flawed thinking behind it is always the same, and thus my answer to it. The Christians’ confusion comes from the fact in their faith Jesus (PBUH) takes on a life of his own as God, and thus they always cast the argument in terms of “Jesus vs. Allah”.
But the fact is, if asked, Christians will readily acknowledge that they worship YHWH. But YHWH is the same thing as “Elohim”, of which the Aramaic form is “Allaha”, and the Arabic form “Allah”. So YHWH is Allah.
Arabic was a language of Christian liturgy before it was one of Islam, and to this day Arab Christians still call God “Allah”, and Jesus (PBUH) the “son of Allah” (as the Qur’an also claims they do). References to God in the Arabic Bible all say “Allah”. In John 3:16, it is none other than “Allah” who sends His only begotten son to die for the sins of mankind.
The problem, therefore, is not that Muslims and Christians worship different gods, but rather, that Christians have a unique belief about the nature of the god common to them and Muslims, namely, that He incarnated in the person of Jesus (PBUH).
But now, Jews would side with Muslims in this debate and say that God does not incarnate into the body of man, and that that is an idolatrous belief. And Jews still worship YHWH, and are acknowledged as such by Christians.
The point is that it is hypocritical of Christians to claim that Muslims don’t worship the same god as they do because they don’t worship Jesus (PBUH). When Christians are ready to come out and disown YHWH, they can then fairly disown Allah, because YHWH and Allah are two words for the same god.
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Faith101
Guest
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To Muslims, God is the answer.
Here is where we differ. We do not believe that anyone is capable of hurting God. For then, He would be like us…and not worthy of worship.
Reuben, God has given you EVERYTHING. To say that He has to come down and die and complete his generiousity is something i really cant understand. The air that you breathe is from God, and you are able to use that air b/c God gave you that ability. Glory to Allah, He has put lubrication in your eyes so when you blink it doesnt hurt. He feeds you and clothes you and takes care of you. He has done all of that. On top of that, He’ll forgive you for your million mistakes. There is no god worthy of woship than the God I have just described.
But they have not confessed that Jesus is their lord and savior yet. Do you have proof of this from the Bible?
what do you mean?
We are prone to sin, b/c we are human and have been given free will. But we are not born with that sin.
If only you understood the concept of repentance in Islam. Truly, Allah is the Most Merciful. You ask forgiveness and try to better yourself. You fall again, that’s fine. Ask again, feel truly sorry and try to better yourself. God will help you. I’ve seen the most messed up people turn their life completly around when they understand this concept and apply it.
None of us, not even the messengers, will go to heaven based on their good works alone. We all depend on the mercy of the All-Merciful.
To Muslims, God is the answer.
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iwonder
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That they are worshiping the same God is without doubt, as there is only ONE God to worship, now isn’t there.? It’s not like they have a lot of choices in the matter. If someone says they are worshiping five gods, it does not change the fact that there is only ONE GOD. Therefore Muslims, or LDS, or EO or any other religion cannot worship any God but He. As to whether they understand Him or not is another story.
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Reuben_J
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Faith:
Here is where we differ. We do not believe that anyone is capable of hurting God. For then, He would be like us…and not worthy of worship.
Reuben:
Yes. That’s because we have different concept. Nobody can hurt God. As human (man) he hurts. And I tell you… He is truly worthy of our Christian’ worship
Faith:
Reuben, God has given you EVERYTHING. To say that He has to come down and die and complete his generiousity is something i really cant understand. The air that you breathe is from God, and you are able to use that air b/c God gave you that ability. Glory to Allah, He has put lubrication in your eyes so when you blink it doesnt hurt. He feeds you and clothes you and takes care of you. He has done all of that. On top of that, He’ll forgive you for your million mistakes. There is no god worthy of woship than the God I have just described.
Reuben:
You say God cannot give more. I say God can.
Faith:
But they have not confessed that Jesus is their lord and savior yet. Do you have proof of this from the Bible?
what do you mean?
Reuben:
No, I don’t have proof of that from the Bible. Children before the age of reason are pure and not responsible for sin. In the church, they cannot go for confession or recieve Holy Communion.
The church have made a group of children who died during the age of Christians persecution, saints. Saints are believed to be in heaven. I just forgot their names. I’ll get back to you. Maybe others Catholics here remember.
Faith:
We are prone to sin, b/c we are human and have been given free will. But we are not born with that sin.
Reuben:
You say no. I say yes. Because we are descendants of Adam. This arise out of covenant (agreement) between God and man. Man broke the covenant, he suffered the consequence.
Faith:
If only you understood the concept of repentance in Islam. Truly, Allah is the Most Merciful. You ask forgiveness and try to better yourself. You fall again, that’s fine. Ask again, feel truly sorry and try to better yourself. God will help you. I’ve seen the most messed up people turn their life completly around when they understand this concept and apply it.
Reuben:
I don’t. You are telling me now. My concept of repentance as mentioned. Sincere repentance to us is trying not to do it (sin) again. and God forgives. But if after repentance, I purposely kill again and die, I still suffer for that. Being sons of Abraham does not guarantee me heaven.
Faith:
None of us, not even the messengers, will go to heaven based on their good works alone. We all depend on the mercy of the All-Merciful.
Reuben:
We too believe the same.
Faith:
To Muslims, God is the answer.
Reuben:
To Christians, God is also the answer.
Thanks Faith. I really enjoy this exchanging of informaton of our respective religion. it’s nice talking to you.
Reuben
Here is where we differ. We do not believe that anyone is capable of hurting God. For then, He would be like us…and not worthy of worship.
Reuben:
Yes. That’s because we have different concept. Nobody can hurt God. As human (man) he hurts. And I tell you… He is truly worthy of our Christian’ worship
Faith:
Reuben, God has given you EVERYTHING. To say that He has to come down and die and complete his generiousity is something i really cant understand. The air that you breathe is from God, and you are able to use that air b/c God gave you that ability. Glory to Allah, He has put lubrication in your eyes so when you blink it doesnt hurt. He feeds you and clothes you and takes care of you. He has done all of that. On top of that, He’ll forgive you for your million mistakes. There is no god worthy of woship than the God I have just described.
Reuben:
You say God cannot give more. I say God can.
Faith:
But they have not confessed that Jesus is their lord and savior yet. Do you have proof of this from the Bible?
what do you mean?
Reuben:
No, I don’t have proof of that from the Bible. Children before the age of reason are pure and not responsible for sin. In the church, they cannot go for confession or recieve Holy Communion.
The church have made a group of children who died during the age of Christians persecution, saints. Saints are believed to be in heaven. I just forgot their names. I’ll get back to you. Maybe others Catholics here remember.
Faith:
We are prone to sin, b/c we are human and have been given free will. But we are not born with that sin.
Reuben:
You say no. I say yes. Because we are descendants of Adam. This arise out of covenant (agreement) between God and man. Man broke the covenant, he suffered the consequence.
Faith:
If only you understood the concept of repentance in Islam. Truly, Allah is the Most Merciful. You ask forgiveness and try to better yourself. You fall again, that’s fine. Ask again, feel truly sorry and try to better yourself. God will help you. I’ve seen the most messed up people turn their life completly around when they understand this concept and apply it.
Reuben:
I don’t. You are telling me now. My concept of repentance as mentioned. Sincere repentance to us is trying not to do it (sin) again. and God forgives. But if after repentance, I purposely kill again and die, I still suffer for that. Being sons of Abraham does not guarantee me heaven.
Faith:
None of us, not even the messengers, will go to heaven based on their good works alone. We all depend on the mercy of the All-Merciful.
Reuben:
We too believe the same.
Faith:
To Muslims, God is the answer.
Reuben:
To Christians, God is also the answer.
Thanks Faith. I really enjoy this exchanging of informaton of our respective religion. it’s nice talking to you.
Reuben
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