How to respond to eugeneticists?

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I’ve heard scattered reports of eugeneticists-people who promote a “master race” via sterilization, abortion, etc. Their arguments seem limited to ad hominem, such as “babies are disgusting” and “natural selection must be enforced” (the latter argument is obviously a paradox).

Here are the rebuttals I can think of:
  1. How do you know your genes are superior?
  2. It isn’t “natural selection” when you are killing people and they are not dying naturally.
  3. What do you consider to be “perfect genes”?
 
You don’t offer much to go on. Yes, the desire of some is to discard genetically flawed embryos. The other goal is to modify existing human beings to make them smarter or physically superior in some way. These goals require careful examination, especially if they are designed to replace or repress those who lack the superior traits or abilities.

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I’ve heard scattered reports of eugeneticists-people who promote a “master race” via sterilization, abortion, etc. Their arguments seem limited to ad hominem, such as “babies are disgusting” and “natural selection must be enforced” (the latter argument is obviously a paradox).

Here are the rebuttals I can think of:
  1. How do you know your genes are superior?
  2. It isn’t “natural selection” when you are killing people and they are not dying naturally.
  3. What do you consider to be “perfect genes”?
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#3 is the most problematic and the one most difficult to answer with objective criteria.
 
Do such disordered and bizarre notions need rebuttals?

If so, best one I can think of is a sarcastic “How’d that Master Race thing work out for Hitler?”

Human’s pitiful attempts at playing God always fail.
 
A form of eugenicism masquerading as “choice” and “empowerment” is almost inevitable in a world in which the notion that man is merely animate carbon is now the accepted mainstream belief. The idea that the Christian notion of human dignity can survive such social reality is wooly headed and irrational.

We are going to have eudenicism, euthanasia, targetted abortion etc. The only question is can we summon up the will to oppose this coming consequence of the flight from God to materialist determinism.
 
I usually say, lets pretend we are in nazi germany, I am a german soilder and you are a jewish person and I am about to execute you. Why should I not kill you?
 
find common ground,

but i may be hard to find if they think you can kill anyone.

but pretty much say would you kill a 2 year old child becuase he was disabled or something (depends on their arugment) most will say no then bring it back to the unborn fetus or what ever they say to kill.

but if they think you can kill it may be hard to find that common ground
 
JackVk said:
I’ve heard scattered reports of eugeneticists-people who promote a “master race” via sterilization, abortion, etc. Their arguments seem limited to ad hominem, such as “babies are disgusting” and “natural selection must be enforced” (the latter argument is obviously a paradox).

Here are the rebuttals I can think of:
  1. How do you know your genes are superior?
  2. It isn’t “natural selection” when you are killing people and they are not dying naturally.
  3. What do you consider to be “perfect genes”?
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I would nominate the Palestinian race as the “master race” since that’s what Jesus was.
 
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Isn’t that a bit of a fallacy? Mary was a virgin, and Jesus had no descendants.
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It’s a stupid suggestion, that’s what it is 😉
God apparently saw something in the Jewish race that made Him want to come to earth as one of them. He didn’t come as a white person, He came as a Jew. But yes, you’re right, it’s wrong because Jesus actually came for the entire human race, not just for the Jews. It might give your interlocutor something to think about thought…
 
It is not difficult to neutralize your opponent in a debate like this. All you have to do is lure him into saying something totally monstrous. Your audience reacts with horror, your opponent tries to backtrack or (worse) defend his monstrous position, audience rejects opponent and everything he stands for, debate over.

As others have pointed out, there are some logical weaknesses is eugenics that either (a) seem to prevent eugenics from achieving its ends or (b) make it very questionable what the ends of eugenics actually are. These can pose some weak points you can hit, but you’re not likely to win on those points outright – prudential and contingent points like that tend to only convince those who are already on your side.

If you actually want to win an argument on eugenics, by actually persuading your opponent that he was wrong… that is very, very, very difficult. You have to prove something that virtually everyone holds as a first principle: that the human dignity of each individual human being is inalienable and inviolable. That is almost impossible to do, especially if your interlocutor doesn’t believe in God.

You might be able to show your eugenicist friend that he is inconsistent and believes in inalienable rights for some but not others… but, in my experience, eugenicists are not inconsistent. They just don’t believe in the human right to life and dignity. And that’s a very difficult principle to educate someone on if they don’t recognize it intuitively or from their upbringing.

Those are my thoughts. They’re not worth very much.
 
There is a chapter or two in the book “Salvation is from the Jews” that deals with Margaret Sanger, the Nazi Party, and the relationships between Eugenics champions and what transpired; multimillions killed out of hand all over Europe.👍
 
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I’ve heard scattered reports of eugeneticists-people who promote a “master race” via sterilization, abortion, etc. ?
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simply tell them that using their own logic you have appointed yourself the sole arbiter of who is and is not fit, and they don’t qualify, so please step in line to the gas ovens.
 
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